America's Blinders

[cortez]

ridiculous-
pre-empt WHAT
a pre-emptive approach is a self fulfilling prophesy

 

[I think not]

You guys like wikipedia, yes?

U.S. President William McKinley was not inclined towards war, and had long held out against intervention, but the Maine explosion so forcefully shaped public opinion that he had to agree. Spanish minister Práxedes Mateo Sagasta did much to try to prevent this, including withdrawing the officials in Cuba against whom complaints had been made, and offering the Cubans autonomy. This was well short of full independence for Cuba, however, and would have done little to change the status quo.

Thus, on April 11, McKinley went before Congress to ask for authority to send American troops to Cuba for the purpose of ending the civil war there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_American_War

The United Fruit Company (1899–1970) was a major American corporation that traded tropical fruit (primarily bananas and pineapples) grown in Third World plantations and sold in the United States and Europe. Critics often accused the company of exploitative neocolonialism and described it as the archetypal example of the influence of a multinational corporation on the internal politics of the so-called "banana republics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_fruit_company

 

[cortez]

Cortez

If you can't refute what I said, then why are you bothering with more of your bullshit? I have spoken out REPEATEDLY on American foreign policy in the past present AND future. SO I don't know what your boggle is. Zinn to me is a communist, like every other socialist, and careful I use the word socialist, not democratic socialism, mmmmmk? Refute the dates I gave you and then come chat.

i have refuted it

read some books -- start with with zinn

then we will talk

and come back and say youve read this and that and that your search continues

read it and understand

then well talk

 

[I think not]

I have stack of books in my bookcase on American, Canadian and British and parts of ancient history, go bark at someone else.

 

[cortez]

ok

i guess i will

he who calls howard zinn a communist

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: RE: America's Blinders

Zinn speaks to ITNs disease, many reading citizens of the world know more about American history than many Americans do, this is sad.

Your challenging ITN's knowledge of American history?

You are an appendage of ITN, one wonders which part of his virtual anatomy you are attached to, you applaude ITN's store of historical fact but do you have any personal awareness of your own, I think not.
ITN is ITN his words speak for him and about him, you however are a common camp follower, a groupie. ITN has four computers which he uses to good affect but that does not afford him correctness, only cheap speed.

 

[cortez]

You guys like wikipedia, yes?

U.S. President William McKinley was not inclined towards war, and had long held out against intervention, but the Maine explosion so forcefully shaped public opinion that he had to agree. Spanish minister Práxedes Mateo Sagasta did much to try to prevent this, including withdrawing the officials in Cuba against whom complaints had been made, and offering the Cubans autonomy. This was well short of full independence for Cuba, however, and would have done little to change the status quo.

Thus, on April 11, McKinley went before Congress to ask for authority to send American troops to Cuba for the purpose of ending the civil war there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_American_War

The United Fruit Company (1899–1970) was a major American corporation that traded tropical fruit (primarily bananas and pineapples) grown in Third World plantations and sold in the United States and Europe. Critics often accused the company of exploitative neocolonialism and described it as the archetypal example of the influence of a multinational corporation on the internal politics of the so-called "banana republics."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_fruit_company

AMAZING
YOU CONSIDER WILKEPEDIA A MORE CREDIBLE SOURCE THAN ONE OF YOUR MOST RENOUNED HISTORIANS-- HOWARD ZINN

you are sinking

he who calls howard zinn a communist

 

[cortez]

Re: RE: America's Blinders

Zinn speaks to ITNs disease, many reading citizens of the world know more about American history than many Americans do, this is sad.

Your challenging ITN's knowledge of American history?

SORT OF

more like

ITN- Is challenging Howard Zinns knowlege of history

 

[I think not]

AMAZING
YOU CONSIDER WILKEPEDIA A MORE CREDIBLE SOURCE THAN ONE OF YOUR MOST RENOUNED HISTORIANS-- HOWARD ZINN

you are sinking

he who calls howard zinn a communist

I don't you blow hole, I used it as a reference for you, this is the internet, what do you want me to do, make a copy of the book and mail it to you? Cheap, pathetic shot. Even the link #juan posted says he is left, so what do you want from me? I say he is way left. Tomato, Tomatoe.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: America's Blinders

Zinn speaks to ITNs disease, many reading citizens of the world know more about American history than many Americans do, this is sad.

Your challenging ITN's knowledge of American history?

SORT OF

more like

ITN- Is challenging Howard Zinns knowlege of history

No I'm challenging Zinn's omissions of history, like a good little leftist revisionist.

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

Howard Zinn is a highly regarded historian, ITN. He's no crackpot. His book, People's History of the United States, is a fine read. It doesn't slam the US, it simply puts things in perspective. Do you really have a bad opinion of Zinn or are you just giving Cortez a hard time?

 

[I think not]

Haggis, I have Zinn's Peoples History of the US, and I don't care if he slams, but in this particular article, he is intentionally distorting truths to fit a certain opinion and agenda. He's a leftist and a revisionist, plain and simple.

 

[I think not]

Cortez

Wikipedia is your friend:

Howard Zinn (born August 24, 1922) is a U.S. historian and political scientist. His philosophy incorporates ideas from Marxism, anarchism, socialism, and social democracy. Since the 1960s, he has been an important figure in the Civil Rights and anti-war movements in the United States. [1] He is the author of 20 books, including A People's History of the United States.

Socialist/Communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Zinn

 

[darkbeaver]

Why do you hate socialism and socialists. I would do a deal with capitalists if it would save the world 60/40 for people and communities. But capitalists want everything the whole dirtball.

 

[Haggis McBagpipe]

Re: America's Blinders

he is intentionally distorting truths to fit a certain opinion and agenda. He's a leftist and a revisionist, plain and simple.

Mostly that's what we get these days, from either side, don't you think? I think it comes, in part, of people being so polarized, maybe? It's more than that, though. It's everywhere, this need to distort and exaggerate, and we are exposed to it in every aspect of our lives, a sort of dramatic over-statement about everything. Have you noticed this?

 

[darkbeaver]

Why do you hate socialism and socialists. I would do a deal with capitalists if it would save the world 60/40 for people and communities. But capitalists want everything the whole dirtball. Stop using the term blow hole, thats part of a whale, furthermore I won't have you badmouthing the illustrious Cortez.

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: America's Blinders

Why do you hate socialism and socialists. I would do a deal with capitalists if it would save the world 60/40 for people and communities. But capitalists want everything the whole dirtball.

I don't hate moderate socialists, meaning social democrats who TRULY believe in human rights and freedom, I have a problem with communists that have hijacked socialism and only see what they want to see.

 

[Jay]

Re: RE: America's Blinders

Zinn speaks to ITNs disease, many reading citizens of the world know more about American history than many Americans do, this is sad.

Your challenging ITN's knowledge of American history?

You are an appendage of ITN, one wonders which part of his virtual anatomy you are attached to, you applaude ITN's store of historical fact but do you have any personal awareness of your own, I think not.
ITN is ITN his words speak for him and about him, you however are a common camp follower, a groupie. ITN has four computers which he uses to good affect but that does not afford him correctness, only cheap speed.

Thats lovely DB....I'm glad your back to your old self so quickly after falling down the stairs.

Yes DB, I'm ITN's dick, but be careful or I just might urge the man to come over there and ram it down your throat.

Yes DB I have an awareness of Canadian history...I even have an idea about how our economy and laws work, don't sweat it my good friend....you have enough trouble as it is.

 

[cortez]

ah i see weve softened our position
from
communist to leftist

as if the term leftist--- means liar

as if revisionist means -- discredited

i really think you should sit still and NOT read
maybe you read too much

maybe sit still and pull those blinders off

the prick who wrote the wilkepedia article is a right wing fascist-- blow hole

now thats a logical rebuttal

you really messed up when u decided to post yer comment about zinns article-- with the C word

 

[darkbeaver]

Re: America's Blinders

he is intentionally distorting truths to fit a certain opinion and agenda. He's a leftist and a revisionist, plain and simple.

Mostly that's what we get these days, from either side, don't you think? I think it comes, in part, of people being so polarized, maybe? It's more than that, though. It's everywhere, this need to distort and exaggerate, and we are exposed to it in every aspect of our lives, a sort of dramatic over-statement about everything. Have you noticed this?

Haggis I read it a while ago and and had not the slightest idea that the man was a communist, I just thought he was a marvelous human being with deep insight and great love for his country.