Al-Qaeda

Jay

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There was question by some posters here, as to the whether or not Al-Qaeda existed or was a figment of someone’s (namely the USG) imagination. I found this.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

"Bin Laden himself said of the origin, "We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.""
 

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There is no Terrorist Organization Called Al Qaida

Turkish Weekly | August 5, 2005
by Neşe Düzel & Gülçin Yati

Great terrorist attacks are experienced, which are forcing to change and shaking the balances, relationships even way of life, understanding and culture of the world. Al Qaida is the responsible of all these attacks. The attacks of that organization did not have a concrete aim or demand. How could an organization exist without being found? RELATED:
Calls for Leading Muslim Cleric to resign and be prosecuted for saying "Al Qaeda does not exist"




Neşe Düzel from Radikal (a Turkish newspaper) asked this question and more on Al Qaida to Mahir Kaynak, a former academic and a former intelligence officer. He has suggested different and debateful views, which will be summarized in this article.

The significant argument of Mahir Kaynak is that there is no Al Qaida. According to him an organization should have an objective. The objective of Al Qaida is unknown or not clear. On the other hand other terrorist organizations like IRA and ETA has clear objectives and geographical areas that they conduct their attacks. They also have staff and an organizational structure. Al Qaida does not have any of these.


He furthermore set forth his claims on the none existence of Al Qaida. Against the claim that Al Qaida is targeting to establish a kind of Taliban rule all over the world he argued that it is impossible for Al Qaida to accomplish this target since it has neither power, nor staff nor supporter in Islam. Further more he argued that there is no Al Qaida. According to Kaynak, Al Qaida is the name of the operation carried out by an intelligence service, which is CIA…With this operation an anti-Islam front among the peoples of the world is tried to be created.


His answer to the question: What is expected from the creation of an anti-Islam front ? Is it also creative ? He argues that the current conflict in the world is not between the Islam and the West but between the global capital and the US. According to Kaynak, today there are two approaches on how the new order will be created. One is the approach of the global capital. The other is the approach of the US of Bush and Russia of Putin. The former is adopting the “Clash of Civilizations” thesis of Huntington. The latter is trying to base the new order on two camps like in the history, on one side the US and on the other side Russia…there is no power centers having political aims other than those in the world at the moment. Global capital has a plan for the future of the world. Global capital has a moderate Islam policy. It is trying to abolish the disputes between capitalism and Islam and to integrate Islam to the market economy…At that point the attacks of Al Qaida creates a massive anti Islam front in the world that without discriminating moderate or radical all Islam is perceived as “terrorist”. This is made by a western power center. It is trying to destroy the moderate Islam model of the global capital. Then the US is trying to use Al Qaida against the global capital, because the global capital is organized among Islam…there is integration among the capital in Saudi Arabia and global capital. The US wants eliminate this structure.


According to his conception of global capital, it is the group that does not own a factory, business or a company, just control and use the money. The money used by the people in finance sector is not limited to their own fortunes…today global capital is controlling trillions of dollar and is powerful as nation states…today the US government with Russia is trying to eliminate the power of global capital and Al Qaida is used against both Islam and global capital. However some claim that Usame Bin Ladin is fighting against the entire world in his cave.


According to Mahir Kaynak, CIA carries out the Al Qaida operation and Putin could be its partner or only knows about it. The group used in the operations is called Al Qaida. They are not organization. States are carrying out that terrorism. Decision makers in the US might have decided these, even Bush may not know.


Why not CIA makes the September 11 attacks? This is a very cheap war now and one side is shown as Al Qaida and the other is the entire world. This is very nonsense, because the attacks of the organization has great effects even it is reshaping the world but there is no traitors to the organization, money does not have any influence on it, no intelligence could be gathered about it. Why? Because there is no organization called Al Quaida.


On the organization of Al Qaida he thinks that 3 or 5 Muslims are used according to the project. Mostly the perpetrators are dieing. May be the perpetrator himself does not know about what he is going to do. It could be said to them that “take the bag and bring it over there” then the bomb in the bag is exploded by remote control. Here is the suicide bomber. On the other hand a person could not hide so long as Bin Ladin did, unless he is hidden by the intelligence agencies.


Moreover he thinks that through Al Qaida the West is trying to abolish the political characteristic of Islam, since it is identified with terrorism. In any case, in which you want to abolish a thought, the first thing you should do is to eviscerate it and then to make this movement solely activist. Today the West is doing the same against Islam.


Lastly for Mahir Kaynak Turkey is controlled by the global capital. Thus the government does not have good relations with the US.

Did you know the CIA's code name for the Mujahidin during the Russian Afghan war was Al Qaida 8O
 

Jay

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And Bin Laden uses the name...no big deal. he said As I quoted...

""Bin Laden himself said of the origin, "We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed."""
 

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Robin Cook in The Guardian
Friday July 8, 2005

The struggle against terrorism cannot be won by military means.

“ . . . . Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.

The danger now is that the west's current response to the terrorist threat compounds that original error. So long as the struggle against terrorism is conceived as a war that can be won by military means, it is doomed to fail. The more the west emphasises confrontation, the more it silences moderate voices in the Muslim world who want to speak up for cooperation. Success will only come from isolating the terrorists and denying them support, funds and recruits, which means focusing more on our common ground with the Muslim world than on what divides us. . . . .”
 

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Al-Qaida is now an idea, not an organisation

So another blast and, a month or so later, another tape. This time it is Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian militant who has been the professional partner of Osama bin Laden for the best part of 15 years, who has surfaced on our screens.
The iconography is relatively easy to decode. The gun to his right is a more potent looking weapon than usual, with a grenade launcher fixed to its barrel, indicating a desire to reinforce the threat of violence. The black turban like that worn by the Taliban suggests a concern to show solidarity with the rump of the movement still fighting, just about, in Afghanistan.
The white robes are fairly standard but, combined with the long white beard and the military props, indicate a warrior-statesman or a fighting cleric, an archetype familiar to anyone with an interest in Islamic political history.

Al-Zawahiri is not saying much that is new. The London bombs are an opportunity to restate what is, with certain variations, the standard Islamist extremist argument: that the west is oppressing Muslims around the world, America and its allies are set on the humiliation, subordination and division of the lands of Islam and that this justifies self-defence by many different means, including suicide bombing.

The only real difference with what has gone before is the explicit focus on the UK. This does not indicate any direct link with the London bombs. Whenever there has been an attack there has been a knee-jerk search for overseas links or for some kind of overall mastermind. No investigations into the London bombs, or indeed into almost all of those attacks committed in recent years, have revealed any such connections.

Instead, we need to face up to the simple truth that Bin Laden, al-Zawahiri et al do not need to organise attacks directly. They merely need to wait for the message they have spread around the world to inspire others. Al-Qaida is now an idea, not an organisation.

The focus on the UK might also concentrate the minds of those in government who, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, deny a link between the attacks and Britain's role in Iraq.

The UK has rapidly ascended the list of preferred jihadi targets in the past two years. A threat against the UK existed before 2003, but our involvement in Iraq made it very much worse.

Propaganda (and we should remember the origins of the word in the faith campaigns of the counter-reformation Catholic church) has always been the mainstay of al-Zawahiri's, and thus al-Qaida's, strategy.

Al-Zawahiri is only a little older than Bin Laden but, when the two met in Pakistan in the late 1980s, he was a far more experienced militant. He had been imprisoned and tortured in his native Egypt and had thought deeply about the tactics that would bring a militant group success. He recognised that activists were a minority, and, in a way that would be familiar to many revolutionary leftists, blamed the "false consciousness" of the Egyptian masses for their failure to rise up.

Ten years later, al-Zawahiri's horizons had broadened and he, along with Bin Laden, was now interested in radicalising and mobilising a bigger community: the ummah, or global nation of Islam.

The terrorist attacks organised directly by al-Qaida, most of which took place between 1998 and 2002, had two aims. One was wounding the enemy, America and its allies, but another, equally important, was to use carefully choreographed acts to impress, amaze and inspire those in the Islamic world who had yet to heed the call to arms.

In a book published in 2002, al-Zawahiri laid out his aims. "We must mobilise the nation in the battle of Islam against unbelief ... We caution against the risk of Muslim vanguards being killed in silence."

The bombers of Madrid, Casablanca, Istanbul, Riyadh and now London have heeded that call. We now have a situation where autonomous cells carry out attacks on targets and at times of their own choosing, which are then applauded by al-Qaida leaders of global infamy but limited practical ability to execute or organise strikes. This is exactly as al-Zawahiri and Bin Laden had hoped. This is a virtual terrorist network, not a real one.

In 2001, Bin Laden said his "life or death did not matter" because "the awakening has started".

There may have been no mass uprising in the Islamic world, something that is due to the sense and humanity of the vast bulk of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims rather than any counter-terrorist strategy pursued by the west, but there are an increasing number of angry people who have answered the call.

Al-Zawahiri portrayed himself as a warrior and a statesman in the video broadcast yesterday. He did not need any props to demonstrate his extraordinary gift for media manipulation.

· Jason Burke is chief reporter of the Observer and the author of Al-Qaeda: The True Story of Radical Islam