Al-Qaeda warns Canada it will attack us like 911.

Canucklehead

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Johnny,

I appreciate your vote of confidence in my/our persuasive powers but sadly I must inform you it is grossly misplaced.

If you care to comment on my post, please take the time to observe the 'subtlety' known as context. Blaming ourselves is precisely what I said and meant (call it personal accountability on a national scale)... although that minor detail regarding our going into their country when we were not the ones attacked apparently escaped your eye. Had we been the ones attacked instead of our neighbours to the South then we are discussing a different scenario with different context... that, however, is NOT the case we found ourselves facing.
 

Johnny Utah

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And Johnny, we all know how cranky you can git without yer beauty sleep ;) I've seen that first hand.

I seriously doubt the terrorists are keeping a close watch on CC for fuel for their religious fires. Being able to express the opinion here is part of the joy of forums. Not siding with those who want to get in there and kill em all is hardly an invitation.
First thanks for caring about my beauty sleep.. :rolleyes:
Second, my comment wasn't about CC it was about comments like Canuckhead's as the same kind of comments by Jack'Taliban'Layton that emboldens the Terrorists..

I'm sure if Terrorists ever read CC they would think we're all a bunch of fruits.. :cool:
Again thanks for caring about my beauty sleep, I'll make sure Santa has something special for you..
 

BitWhys

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I'll tell you Exercise Bison Strike doesn't make me rest any easier about it.
 

EastSideScotian

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Ya. Why? No one has ever answered that to my satisfaction either. ~shrug~
Well of course you wouldnt be satisifed... because the reasons for world war 2 are striagt facts.

Shall I run them out for you.....

British Commonwelth Members.
Germans invadeing allie nations, France, Poland and so on.
Germans spreading facisim, A hateful idelogy.
The British were being attacked, Refer to my first reason why we joined the war.


You understand that we stopped the invasion of many mroe countries, we found out that Hittler was killing Jews and Handicaps, people who didnt agree with him, in Mass numbers?

Are you saying your not Satisfied with those reason to go to war? To stop an Opressor from taking over Europe. We went because we are all part of the same world., we are not just Canada, and whatever happens alese where doesnt matter....we are Canadians, but we are also part of the human race, we have the decenty to stand up for people who have been beaten down, and we have the ability to do so, so we should when ever possible.

Much like the Afgan War, we are as Canadians helping our Human brothers, because of the injustice that has happend to the Afgan people as a nation, and because of the Attacks and terrorism left to breed in a Failed State. Terrorism that hit home....In our Part of the world, to our Neighbours and Allies, our Tradepartners and later on to our other Allys the British and Spanish. We neglected the Afgan issue and for that we got hit, not we see that we can not let this happen.

Take world war one for example. We really didnt need to go to that, we had no real reason to go, the only thing not unlike the Nato Mandate was our ties to the British and French. France.... if you were not aware the homeland and Mother nation of our Large french population was being invaded. Secondly England Frances ally had Declared war on the invaders in support of France who was invaded by Germans who saw the mainly Hungarian and Autrian war as a good reason to get some land back... Point being...Canada had ties and agreements with these nations, we lost huge amounts of men. But Canada also proved itself as a nation on the international stage, we as a Young Nation had put the Change of the war, and began to win the battle the french and British would retreat from. We had no real interest in being there, like today, but we made the differance. Much like I feel we can today acheive in Afganistan.
 

northstar

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By the Nato Agreement, that l have already explained, we WERE attacked, and your opinion CSNUckle, is singular, and not shared by those members of NATO, so you are in FACTO incorrect.

Johnny, I agree with your points,

Here is some insight on the NATO pact and our part in the War Against Terrorism that was in both action and in word a declaration of war on North America and the world.

Canada and NATO: The Campaign Against Terrorism

Following the terrorist attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) responded by invoking Article 5 of its Charter for the first time in the alliance's more than 50-year history. Canada strongly supported NATO's move.
Article 5 of the Washington Treaty, which created NATO in 1949, states:
  • The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
  • Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
Article 5 is commonly known as the collective defence article. If a NATO ally is the victim of an armed attack, it provides that each and every other member of the alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the attacked ally.
At the start of the Cold War, Canada's then Secretary of State for External Affairs pledged Canadian association with some form of collective defence system that would link members politically, economically and socially. Article 5 embodied the political commitment and was envisioned to ensure U.S. and Canadian involvement in the defence of Europe. It was unimaginable in 1949 that Article 5 would first be invoked in the defence of the U.S.
The North Atlantic Council, NATO's top decision-making body, invoked the spirit of Article 5 following a debate at NATO headquarters on September 12, 2001 – a clear demonstration of tremendous solidarity within the alliance. The Council decided that if it was determined that the attacks were directed from abroad, they would be actions covered by Article 5 of the Washington Treaty. Subsequently, on October 2, 2001, the U.S. Ambassador at Large and Coordinator for Counterterrorism briefed the North Atlantic Council on the results of investigations into the September 11 terrorist attacks against the U.S. As a result of the information he provided to the Council, the Council decided that the U.S. had presented clear and compelling evidence that the individuals who carried out the attacks belonged to the worldwide terrorist network of Al-Qaeda, headed by Osama bin Laden and protected by the Taleban regime in Afghanistan.
At a special press conference, NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson announced that since it had been determined that the attacks had been directed from abroad, they were regarded as an action covered by Article 5 of the Washington Treaty.
Alliance members as well as a wide coalition of partner nations, collectively and individually, have lent their support to the common effort. The alliance itself will continue to provide military and other support, to consult on the implications for its security, and to take whatever defensive measures are necessary.
The U.S. has also turned to NATO itself. It has asked for a range of specific measures, such as enhanced intelligence support, blanket overflight rights for U.S. and other allied aircraft, and access to ports and airfields.
Elements of NATO's Standing Naval Forces are also to be deployed to the Eastern Mediterranean. Most significant is the move of five NATO Airborne Warning and Control Systems aircraft (AWACS) from their base in Europe across the Atlantic to replace U.S. aircraft now being transferred to Asia. This is NATO's first operational deployment in the U.S.
Several NATO allies, including Canada, have pledged direct military support as this operation unfolds. Canada's Operation Apollo, is contributing five naval vessels, as well as air surveillance and transport units. In all some 2000 Canadian Forces personnel are directly involved.
Importance of NATO to Canada
NATO's fundamental purpose remains to provide for the security of the North Atlantic area. Canada is a member of NATO because we believe that collective defence is the most effective and efficient way of protecting our democratic values and traditions. NATO is the only international institution in existence with an integrated command structure, standardized operating procedures and standing forces available to support preventive diplomacy, crisis management and peacekeeping. NATO's successful deployment in the Balkans has demonstrated how well alliance military structures can work in time of need.
NATO provides a close interface between the political and military dimensions of security offering a unique forum for dialogue and cooperation. During the deliberations leading to the Washington Treaty, Canada worked hard to ensure the inclusion of a commitment to non-military cooperation. This concept was embodied in Article 2 of the Washington Treaty – often called the "Canadian Article." It commits alliance members to contribute to assisting the further development of peaceful and friendly international relations.
The alliance is a cornerstone in Canada's relations with Europe. Canada benefits significantly from the diplomatic weight, technical expertise and military capabilities of the NATO alliance. The dividends of Canada's investment in NATO include access to strategic information, exercises with allied forces, and an equal voice in high-level decisions affecting European security and stability.

source-http://www.international.gc.ca/foreign_policy/nato/nato-en.asp
 

Canucklehead

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Northstar, Were my opinion singular there would not be any sort of debate regarding our presence in Afghanistan, but oddly there is a debate about it which leads me to believe I am not the only one with this view.

As was plainly stated in a previous post, there are many different interpretations of the text of an agreement, any agreement. The interpretation which was sold to NATO members was that we must be engaged in a war against an undefined term. NATO members bought this argument and voila! here we are in a conflict in which we have no business.

"There are no facts, there is no truth... just data to be manipulated, I can get you any result you like... what's it worth to ya?" - Don Henley
 

northstar

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Canuck...SO?????

What is your issue with me...post to those who are agreeing with you then, l think you are really into pushing your opinion on me and l think you are WRONG.
 

Canucklehead

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My issue with you? I have no issue with you but if you reference me in a post, why on earth are you shocked I reply? Posting exclusively to those whom agree with oneself is generally construed as an echo chamber. Thanks but no thanks.
 

northstar

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One sentence was to you,Canucklheed,

the post was towards those who are listening.

For a moderator, as you have introduced yourself with a very serious-about-myself way that left no opennings for lightheartenness, you are being very rude and attacking , so l have not directed my postings towards you at all, and from what l understand you are only interested in being condescending and rude to me and thus l have no interest in engaging with this negativity.
 

Curiosity

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Everyone seems to have the grumpies today..... cheer up folk.... it's only a forum

Maybe this'll help lol
 

Canucklehead

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Northstar,

Last post to you on this thread. The topic at hand is not lighthearted and I find no humour in it so I expected that to come across in the posts. Catch me in a jokes thread and things will be different I am sure :)

What can I say but we'll agree to disagree on this one. No hard feelings :)
 

cortex

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hopelessly entagled
--contribution by Cortex

Kindergarden begins and Cortex is sent to the corner with a dunce cap...wait till ms. stronach whips your behind...

I have no behind. My butt has disappeared into a transdimensional void through some freaky quantum defect in the fabric of space time.

Ms Stronach will have to do something else to me.