After independence, our triumphs will be ours alone

[Serryah]

Because your monarch lives in the United Kingdom.

Of course, if she went to live in Canada next week then the United Kingdom would have a Governor General.



Because that's the way you've decided it would be. You can change it if you like. It's your monarchy. You decide. There's nothing stopping you from having a different Line of Succession to the British, because you aren't run by the British monarchy. You're run by the Canadian monarchy.



You don't. You sing God Save the Queen.



Because she's your queen, you idiot.



No, I didn't. I said you aren't ruled by the British monarchy. You're ruled by your own Canadian monarchy.

I'll concede.


Amazingly, you're right for once.

After looking it up I get it. And it's sad that it's not explained more to people.


I also get WHY people don't know the difference.


Do YOU understand why no one else would realize there's a difference either?

 

[Blackleaf]

I'll concede.
Amazingly, you're right for once.
After looking it up I get it. And it's sad that it's not explained more to people.
I also get WHY people don't know the difference.
Do YOU understand why no one else would realize there's a difference either?

I'm almost always right.

Most people won't know the difference because the people in both monarchies are the same.

It still bugs me, though, whenever people wrongly say the British monarch rules Canada.

 

[Serryah]

I'm almost always right.

Most people won't know the difference because the people in both monarchies are the same.

It still bugs me, though, whenever people wrongly say the British monarch rules Canada.

No, no you're not 'almost always' right. I've proven you wrong more times than you've been right.


But on this yes, I can admit you were right, and that's part of the reason, that the people are the same in both monarchies.


But it's also a lack of education and understanding there is a separation.



It's also that there's only a very small difference between the two 'monarchies', that people just assume they are the same.

It makes no sense to say Queen Elizabeth is our Queen but our Monarchy isn't the same.


Very few people likely WOULD know this; I suppose only scholars of the Monarchy would know/understand it.

 

[Blackleaf]

No, no you're not 'almost always' right. I've proven you wrong more times than u've been right.
But on this yes, I can admit you were right, and that's part of the reason, that the people are the same in both monarchies.
But it's also a lack of education and understanding there is a separation.
It's also that there's only a very small difference between the two 'monarchies', that people just assume they are the same.
It makes no sense to say Queen Elizabeth is our Queen but our Monarchy isn't the same.
Very few people likely WOULD know this; I suppose only scholars of the Monarchy would know/understand it.

It's like how West Ham United fans like to say West Ham United won the 1966 World Cup. But they didn't. England did. The personnel were almost the same but they weren't the same teams. Both teams were independent of each other and could bring in different players to each other whenever they wanted.

 

[pgs]

So why is Queen Elizabeth everywhere?


Why is it we have a GG to represent HER and HER Monarchy?


Why is it that when Elizabeth dies, Charlies becomes our King?


Why do we sing God save the King?


Why is the Queen in some of our Oaths?


Are you implying that Elizabeth is separate people in different places?

Really, as I said, if you can prove it, show your work. You made the claim that Elizabeth isn't our Monarch, now back it up please.

Elizabeth is the Queen of Canada .

 

[Blackleaf]

Elizabeth is the Queen of Canada .

What's weird is that you call her Elizabeth II when she should be Elizabeth I of Canada (some Scots argue that she should be Elizabeth I of Scotland, too, as Scotland and England [including Wales] weren't unified when Elizabeth I was on the English throne - her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots, was on the Scottish throne - but this was ruled out in a court in 1953).

The reason she is Elizabeth II of Canada is due to the 1931 Statute of Westminster which states that the "higher number" applies in each of the Commonwealth realms, of which there are now 16.

Elizabeth II is Queen of 16 countries, yet none of those countries shares a monarchy. They each have their own:

Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.

 

[Blackleaf]

Forgive me if I do not understand. What are the main reasons that the UK wants to leave the EU?

The main reason is to regain our sovereignty and independence.

 

[pgs]

What's weird is that you call her Elizabeth II when she should be Elizabeth I of Canada (some Scots argue that she should be Elizabeth I of Scotland, too, as Scotland and England [including Wales] weren't unified when Elizabeth I was on the English throne - her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots, was on the Scottish throne - but this was ruled out in a court in 1953).

The reason she is Elizabeth II of Canada is due to the 1931 Statute of Westminster which states that the "higher number" applies in each of the Commonwealth realms, of which there are now 16.

Elizabeth II is Queen of 16 countries, yet none of those countries shares a monarchy. They each have their own:

Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.

I call her Queen Elizabeth .

 

[Serryah]

What's weird is that you call her Elizabeth II when she should be Elizabeth I of Canada (some Scots argue that she should be Elizabeth I of Scotland, too, as Scotland and England [including Wales] weren't unified when Elizabeth I was on the English throne - her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots, was on the Scottish throne - but this was ruled out in a court in 1953).

The reason she is Elizabeth II of Canada is due to the 1931 Statute of Westminster which states that the "higher number" applies in each of the Commonwealth realms, of which there are now 16.

Elizabeth II is Queen of 16 countries, yet none of those countries shares a monarchy. They each have their own:

Antigua and Barbuda, Australia, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Canada, Grenada, Jamaica, New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, and the United Kingdom.

But it was not until October 2002 when the term Canadian Royal Family was first used publicly and officially by one of its members: in a speech to the Nunavut legislature at its opening, Queen Elizabeth II stated: "I am proud to be the first member of the Canadian Royal Family to be greeted in Canada's newest territory."[279] Princess Anne used it again when speaking at Rideau Hall in 2014.[280] By 2011, both Canadian and British media were referring to "Canada's royal family" or the "Canadian royal family".[281][282][283]


A note to show why it's so damn confusing.


IMO, I think this was done to say "We're not part of the UK anymore!" and yet still keep the British Monarchy/ties to Britain for some reason.

Personally I wish we got more out of the deal; like open travel to the UK and other commonwealth countries, open work opportunities, education...

 

[Blackleaf]

I call her Queen Elizabeth .

Prince George calls her "Gan Gan".

His father, Prince William, called his grandmother "Gary" when he was a little boy.

Rather creepily, Prince George's grandfather, Prince Charles, had a nickname for his great-grandmother, Princess Mary of Teck, when he was a little boy: "Gan Gan".

Prince William and Prince Harry had a nickname for their great-grandmother the Queen Mother: "Gan Gan".

 

[Blackleaf]

But it was not until October 2002 when the term Canadian Royal Family was first used publicly and officially by one of its members: in a speech to the Nunavut legislature at its opening, Queen Elizabeth II stated: "I am proud to be the first member of the Canadian Royal Family to be greeted in Canada's newest territory."[279] Princess Anne used it again when speaking at Rideau Hall in 2014.[280] By 2011, both Canadian and British media were referring to "Canada's royal family" or the "Canadian royal family".[281][282][283]
A note to show why it's so damn confusing.
IMO, I think this was done to say "We're not part of the UK anymore!" and yet still keep the British Monarchy/ties to Britain for some reason.
Personally I wish we got more out of the deal; like open travel to the UK and other commonwealth countries, open work opportunities, education...

You don't get rid of the monarchy in the same way we don't: you don't need to. It's not having a detrimental effect on Canada. So why get rid of it?

As for open travel to the UK for Canadians, well this is an opportunity that Brexit should bring. 47 years of EU membership means we've had to allow in unlimited numbers of EU citizens, however unskilled. But Boris's plan is to end EU free movement after we leave and allow in more skilled workers from our great Commonwealth allies like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India.

 

[Serryah]

You don't get rid of the monarchy in the same way we don't: you don't need to. It's not having a detrimental effect on Canada. So why get rid of it?

And yet a good chunk of the Canadian people want Elizabeth II gone out of our lives because she's a needless and useless drain. That we don't need a Queen or Monarch at all, etc. etc.


Though I personally like that we have a Monarch, I just wish it wasn't in this stupid way it is.

As for open travel to the UK for Canadians, well this is an opportunity that Brexit should bring. 47 years of EU membership means we've had to allow in unlimited numbers of EU citizens, however unskilled. But Boris's plan is to end EU free movement after we leave and allow in more skilled workers from our great EU allies like Canada, Australia, New Zealand and India.

See, "skilled workers" still implies restrictions.


Fuk that.


If we're all part of the same "family" as it were, there should be no restrictions. If I suddenly wanted to move to the UK, I should be able to do so and work there. I mean, why not? Sure we're our own nations but we're still 'family', right?

 

[Blackleaf]

And yet a good chunk of the Canadian people want Elizabeth II gone out of our lives because she's a needless and useless drain. That we don't need a Queen or Monarch at all, etc. etc.
Though I personally like that we have a Monarch, I just wish it wasn't in this stupid way it is.
See, "skilled workers" still implies restrictions.
Fuk that.
If we're all part of the same "family" as it were, there should be no restrictions. If I suddenly wanted to move to the UK, I should be able to do so and work there. I mean, why not? Sure we're our own nations but we're still 'family', right?

Well you have to understand that Britain is the size of Michigan with 67 million people crammed in and that one reason for Brexit is to stop unlimited waves of people coming here.

Michigan has a population of 10 million.

 

[pgs]

Not sure I understand. The Uk is a soverign nation. I am wondering what the axtual issues are...

Migrants from the Middle East?
Disagreements with other nations (France, Germany, etc)?
Economic hardships?

Control over their own destiny. The EU is becoming a big bloated controlling bureaucracy .

 

[Blackleaf]

Not sure I understand. The Uk is a soverign nation. I am wondering what the axtual issues are...
Migrants from the Middle East?
Disagreements with other nations (France, Germany, etc)?
Economic hardships?

The UK ISN'T a sovereign nation. But it will be from 11pm on Friday 31st January.

The main reason why most people voted Leave was to regain sovereignty.