ADD & ADHD: Epidemic of a Phantom Disease

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It sure does...especially after you cut and paste it out of context to futher your hateful agenda...

As to your mention of alternative behavioural solutions, you've as yet suggested no alternatives to drugging, and as you were supporting Lady C in her assertions that drugging is a good thing...
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YOu accuse Gerry of cutting and pasting out of context and immediately after you misquote me. Very well done. Try this... quote my assertion that drugging is a good thing. It shouldn't be too hard, as this is only my 2nd post on this topic. And you're obviously so very astute as to figure things out based on... what? Certainly not anything I wrote.

One thing I noticed on this topic... everyone is talking about a friend they know who has a child... or someone's kid who lives with their ex...

Does anyone actually have any first hand knowledge? Or are you sitting in the comfort of your bubble making assumptions that you know better than the parents who actually have to deal with ADD/ADHD kids on a day-to-day basis?

Rev... this is the internet. For every source one person quotes supporting their position, someone else can find one supporting theirs.
 
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LadyC said:
YOu accuse Gerry of cutting and pasting out of context and immediately after you misquote me. Very well done. Try this... quote my assertion that drugging is a good thing. It shouldn't be too hard, as this is only my 2nd post on this topic. And you're obviously so very astute as to figure things out based on... what? Certainly not anything I wrote.
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Actually...I didn't misquote you, Lady C, because I didn't quote you at all...but you made this rather remarkable statement...

LadyC said:
Putting a child on Ritalin or any other drug is a difficult decision, but before judging parents who choose to go that route consider this... if your child had cancer would you deny them chemo? How about diabetes... would you nix the insulin?
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So, following your logic, am I to assume then that saving the life of your child would be a bad thing in your opinion?

...or were you trying to assert that ADD/ADHD is a life threatening ailment for which there is no cure, and which necessitates the harmful drugging of the afflicted child?

Here again, a little coherence of thought would have availed you...

...and as to first hand experience, I've had my share, but no matter how terrible my daughter's behaviour becomes, I will never again toss pills down her throat just to make my life easier...
 
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Vanni said:
So, following your logic, am I to assume then that saving the life of your child would be a bad thing in your opinion?

...or were you trying to assert that ADD/ADHD is a life threatening ailment for which there is no cure, and which necessitates the harmful drugging of the afflicted child?

Here again, a little coherence of thought would have availed you...
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Following my logic? If that's what you got from my post I doubt you could follow the slime trail of a giant purple slug if there were signs pointing the way. I've read more than enough of your "following your logic" posts to conclude that you have a problem with reading comprehension.

Here it is again, in simpler terms.
If a child has a physical illness they're given meds and no-one questions the wisdom of this. If a child has a mental/behavioural illness it should be treated with a diet change or some patience? And suddenly everyone else is allowed their opinion on what's best?

ADD/ADHD are just as real as any physical ailment. Like depression, it's not something you can just overcome if you want to badly enough.
 
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LadyC said:
Here it is again, in simpler terms.
If a child has a physical illness they're given meds and no-one questions the wisdom of this.
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Wrong!!

A parent who takes their responsibility seriously, would question it, and I have, and will continue to do so...

LadyC said:
If a child has a mental/behavioural illness it should be treated with a diet change or some patience?
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According to you, it is better to treat them with impatience and a cocaine derivative...

LadyC said:
ADD?ADHD are just as real as any physical ailment. Like depression, it's not something you can just overcome if you want to badly enough.
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Drugging does nothing but allow parents to ignore the real problem, which is a question that the medical community wants to avoid, because they are embarassed that they haven't a clue what the problem is, and so their answer is to shove pills in the parents' faces...I sometimes think that the doctors are getting kickbacks from the pharmaceutical companies to push their shit...
 
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Try reading what I write before attempting to respond, okay? Where do you get the impression that I prefer to treat kids with impatience and coke derivatives?

Since you seem to need someone to hold your hand and guide you through the post...

1. If my child had leukemia or diabetes or even a staph infection no-one would question my decision to treat him with meds. If the same child were ADD/ADHD and I opted to treat with Ritalin all of a sudden everyone figures they have an obligation to tell me I'm doing it for my own convenience, that I'm not acting in the best interests of my child.

2. Like depression, ADD/ADHD sometimes needs to be treated with meds. Contrary to your belief that merely cutting sugar out of the diet will magically "cure" them, some kids are more severely afflicted and will not respond to this "treatment". Great that your daughter did, but I suspect she was either misdiagnosed or she has a mild form of ADD/ADHD.

I can hardly wait to see what conclusions you draw this time, by "following my logic".
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and I will not offer any hard fought for sollutions to this forum.
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Then you admit that you are just trolling, Gerry?

Rev... this is the internet. For every source one person quotes supporting their position, someone else can find one supporting theirs.
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Just like in real life. Imagine that.
 
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And your point would be??????
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Funny. I see the posters here quoting sources. I don't see you doing that Gerry.
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Which is it... should eveyone trot out "sources" they google... or is expressing an opinion sometimes enough?
 
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Ah... you've brought out the "T" word.
I guess that means you've run out of logical argument and have to resort to name-calling.

The point is, Rev... I think even without quoting sources, Gerry knows more about this subject than the rest of us put together. So far on this thread all you've had to offer is snide commentary.
 
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Re: RE: ADD & ADHD: Epidemic of a Phantom Disease

LadyC said:
If my child had leukemia or diabetes or even a staph infection no-one would question my decision to treat him with meds. If the same child were ADD/ADHD and I opted to treat with Ritalin all of a sudden everyone figures they have an obligation to tell me I'm doing it for my own convenience, that I'm not acting in the best interests of my child.
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Leukemia, diabetes and staph infections do not require mind and personality altering drugs to treat...also all of those afflictions have been verified by scientific method...ADD/ADHD has not...

LadyC said:
Like depression, ADD/ADHD sometimes needs to be treated with meds. Contrary to your belief that merely cutting sugar out of the diet will magically "cure" them, some kids are more severely afflicted and will not respond to this "treatment". Great that your daughter did, but I suspect she was either misdiagnosed or she has a mild form of ADD/ADHD.
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I don't know where you got the idea that my daughter was cured by the change in her diet...I certainly never said that...I believe I said that her behaviour improved...but I will qualify that now by saying somewhat, but not for long, as her mother did not subscribe to my notion of regulating sugar in her diet...she, like you, would rather have her drugged and lucid...

...when she comes to visit me, I don't medicate her at all, because I'd rather cope with her behaviour and search for a less harmful solution, than allow her to suffer the adverse side effects of the drugs...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/902460/posts

...and to offer some balance to this discussion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADHD
 
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Vanni...
Where did you get the impression I would rather have kids drugged and lucid?

Are you really this obtuse or are you just funnin' me?
Leukemia, diabetes and staph infections do not require mind and personality altering drugs to treat...
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Leukemia, diabetes and staph infections are PHYSICAL ailments, easily diagnosed, and therefore seen as more "acceptable" to the general public. If my daughter had a staph infection no-one would question me for giving her an anti-biotic. Mental illnesses are not so easily diagnosed and anyone who opts for drug therapy is seen as copping out. I'm not advocating EVERYONE use Ritalin, but there are some children who certainly need it.

I don't know where you got the idea that my daughter was cured by the change in her diet...
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I never said she was cured. I believe the word I used was "cured", and not in specific reference to your daughter. However, you go on to say that your wife doesn't "subscribe to your notion". I read that to mean you feel you're right and she's wrong. I obviously don't know your situation, but since your wife appears to be the primary caregiver I assume she's very aware of your daughter's needs. Or she's one of those people who is more interested in her own convenience.
 
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Re: RE: ADD & ADHD: Epidemic of a Phantom Disease

LadyC said:
Mental illnesses are not so easily diagnosed and anyone who opts for drug therapy is seen as copping out.
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My experience has been the exact opposite.

They had diagnosed my girl with ADHD even before I had completed the questionaire, and so filling it out was merely a formality for them...and when I've expressed my wishes not drug her, the doctors look at me like I'm crazy...these aren't isolated experiences either, as I got pretty much the same reaction from all of the doctors I've taken her to...

And so in addition to the doctors copping out from actually trying to diagnose the problem correctly, they are encouraging the parents to cop out as well by coercing them into drugging their kids...and there seems to be no way out unless you take the initiative and look for alternatives...

I'll admit that I haven't had much luck in finding alternative treatments, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give in to the doctors either...

I'll also admit that I have a long history of distrusting doctors, for some very good reasons...
 
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You know in a different time I would have probally been put on a drug and my parents told I had ADD. I was a very hyper as a child, but my parents allowed me to chase my tail around until I got tired we had a really big yard :p

Over the years I have friends who's childern supposely have ADD. One in particular that I have known since grade school. She was told her son had this disorder and put on ritlin. He made a tidy profit on it selling it at school. Eventually without ritlan he blossomed into a fine young person. I don't know, maybe there are individuals that this drug really works for and they have a geniune disorder. But from what I have seen using some creatitivy in finding a solution might work better.

I also think because you are small does not mean you do not have a brain that thinks. Mine alway did, mine said go left, yet there were adults that insisted they knew better than my own brain and I should be taking a right. I went with my own brain, and I did not appreciate the dumb ass games they tried to play on me to go aganist my own brain.
 
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RE: ADD & ADHD: Epidemic

That's a pretty interesting theory, Stretch. Evolution as a factor in social change and psychic ability has been the subject, or at at least a part of a few science fiction stories that I've read.
 
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