Abortion is wrong no matter what! Part 2
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Choices are not allowed if they hurt someone else.
I can't CHOOSE to kill someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
I can't CHOOSE to rape someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
So.
I can't CHOOSE to abort my baby. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
Now the different situations are valid:
If your raped, or if you lover lies to you about himself, and you become pregnent, then you are valid for an abortion. If the boyfriend lies about a visectomy, or he tampers with your birth control, or he lies to you about safe sex. That is not your choice. You have had a baby forced upon you, but in different aspects. One physically harmful, another deceitful.
If your mentally challenged you can't grasp right and wrong, and you can't consent to sex. So if your mentally unchallenged, the person, or its caregiver should have the option to have the child aborted.
If a woman is very ill, and sick and becomes pregnant, and the odds are against her and/or her baby, then an abortion should be valid.
This covers all FAIR circumstances.
BUT:
If you put yourself under the influence to a substance and get pregnant, you should not be able to abort. You should go through the 9 months, have the baby, and put it into social services.
If you were silly and forgot to use protection, or "were in the moment" - same thing.
If their was no deceit or wrong-doing and you had a mishap with the birth control - thats the risks you take when you consent to sex, and you should not be able to abort.
In all these cases a woman can still work for 6-7 months through the pregnancy and then is put out for the last 3-4 months of the pregnancy and birth. Then you bare no responsibilty and you can put it in social services.
Now some might ask: What type of circumstance is that for a child to be brought into the world only to be given up to social services?
To me its better to give a life a chance at something then denying them no chance at all.
I don't understand this, if your not under those 3 categories, why would people want to abort their child instead of temporary inconfort, where you can still work for most of it, then have the birth, and then you bare no more responsibilty?
And don't give me Human Rights, or rights, etc. RIGHTS apply to both sides of this arguement:
1) Denying a woman the right to choose what to do with her body
2) The right to cause cruel and inhuman death to a living being inside you
Rights go both ways here.
A life with bad circumstances is better then no life at all (referring to the baby).
Abortion is probably the biggest genocide of our time. Millions upon millions of lives haven't been given the chance at a life. This is why me and others are so passionate about the issue.
I don't care if I am a man. You may not know this, but there is alot of woman who have the same feelings as me.
And I am not over the top here either: My stance is reasonable. Others would rather see abortion illegal under all circumstances. I don't believe that.
Edit: Other issue to address, that I forgot:
The if you make it illegal, woman will find a way, and an unsafe way.
Do you realize rate now 85% of ALL physicians REFUSE to perform abortions due to ethical standings?
And if abortion is illegal (with some exceptions), then it WILL save more lives, then will be lost, for women taking unsafe routes to rid themselves of it.
And their is always that (disgraceful) Morning after pill, that the women that would want to abort but couldn't because of laws, would get off the black market.
I can't CHOOSE to kill someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
I can't CHOOSE to rape someone. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
So.
I can't CHOOSE to abort my baby. Because its a CHOICE that HURTS someone else
Now the different situations are valid:
If your raped, or if you lover lies to you about himself, and you become pregnent, then you are valid for an abortion. If the boyfriend lies about a visectomy, or he tampers with your birth control, or he lies to you about safe sex. That is not your choice. You have had a baby forced upon you, but in different aspects. One physically harmful, another deceitful.
If your mentally challenged you can't grasp right and wrong, and you can't consent to sex. So if your mentally unchallenged, the person, or its caregiver should have the option to have the child aborted.
If a woman is very ill, and sick and becomes pregnant, and the odds are against her and/or her baby, then an abortion should be valid.
This covers all FAIR circumstances.
BUT:
If you put yourself under the influence to a substance and get pregnant, you should not be able to abort. You should go through the 9 months, have the baby, and put it into social services.
If you were silly and forgot to use protection, or "were in the moment" - same thing.
If their was no deceit or wrong-doing and you had a mishap with the birth control - thats the risks you take when you consent to sex, and you should not be able to abort.
In all these cases a woman can still work for 6-7 months through the pregnancy and then is put out for the last 3-4 months of the pregnancy and birth. Then you bare no responsibilty and you can put it in social services.
Now some might ask: What type of circumstance is that for a child to be brought into the world only to be given up to social services?
To me its better to give a life a chance at something then denying them no chance at all.
I don't understand this, if your not under those 3 categories, why would people want to abort their child instead of temporary inconfort, where you can still work for most of it, then have the birth, and then you bare no more responsibilty?
And don't give me Human Rights, or rights, etc. RIGHTS apply to both sides of this arguement:
1) Denying a woman the right to choose what to do with her body
2) The right to cause cruel and inhuman death to a living being inside you
Rights go both ways here.
A life with bad circumstances is better then no life at all (referring to the baby).
Abortion is probably the biggest genocide of our time. Millions upon millions of lives haven't been given the chance at a life. This is why me and others are so passionate about the issue.
I don't care if I am a man. You may not know this, but there is alot of woman who have the same feelings as me.
And I am not over the top here either: My stance is reasonable. Others would rather see abortion illegal under all circumstances. I don't believe that.
Edit: Other issue to address, that I forgot:
The if you make it illegal, woman will find a way, and an unsafe way.
Do you realize rate now 85% of ALL physicians REFUSE to perform abortions due to ethical standings?
And if abortion is illegal (with some exceptions), then it WILL save more lives, then will be lost, for women taking unsafe routes to rid themselves of it.
And their is always that (disgraceful) Morning after pill, that the women that would want to abort but couldn't because of laws, would get off the black market.
Well regardless of how those who think it is wrong feel, it is legal. It's not genocide unless it is being forced on an entire group of people(ethnicity, race, creed, culture) systematically, which it isn't.
There are lots of other choices that hurt babies which aren't being paid attention to, and these are choices that will affect those babies which are born. Smoking, drinking, ignorant use of prescription drugs, these all affect those babies which will be born.
I think if there is going to be an abortion, it should be done before late term. Really I'd like to see them done before the 40 day mark, but that's not always possible.
The women I know who have had the procedure done are in school, and all of them were using birth control. No method save abstinence is 100% effective. Perhaps they want to avoid post traumatic stress disorder. Anyways, these decisions are theirs to be made not ours.
There are lots of other choices that hurt babies which aren't being paid attention to, and these are choices that will affect those babies which are born. Smoking, drinking, ignorant use of prescription drugs, these all affect those babies which will be born.
I think if there is going to be an abortion, it should be done before late term. Really I'd like to see them done before the 40 day mark, but that's not always possible.
The women I know who have had the procedure done are in school, and all of them were using birth control. No method save abstinence is 100% effective. Perhaps they want to avoid post traumatic stress disorder. Anyways, these decisions are theirs to be made not ours.
A decision is none of my business, if hurts no-one.
I am not really against same-sex marriage - hurts no-one.
Abortion, I am against, because it does hurt the life. And it is NOT their choice when it hurts someone else. Its MY choice, if it hurts another.
I am not really against same-sex marriage - hurts no-one.
Abortion, I am against, because it does hurt the life. And it is NOT their choice when it hurts someone else. Its MY choice, if it hurts another.
Yes. A human life is the fertilization of the sperm and egg.
The zygote is the earliest form of human life. But its still human life at that.
The zygote is the earliest form of human life. But its still human life at that.
Human life is the most valued life form.
So it does not make sense for me to care about a fly.
Insects don't matter. But animals are more evolved, so they are not as high as value as humans, but if an animal is being killed by some creep for no use, then its wrong.
Human life is of the utmost value, and I value all human life. Even at the first stage.
So it does not make sense for me to care about a fly.
Insects don't matter. But animals are more evolved, so they are not as high as value as humans, but if an animal is being killed by some creep for no use, then its wrong.
Human life is of the utmost value, and I value all human life. Even at the first stage.
Ok your just being petty and silly.
Me swatting a pesky fly and you comparing my value of the life of a fly and a 5 week old fetus is unpresidented.
I will not answer that question, because people who are logical, will know that statement has now barring.
Me swatting a pesky fly and you comparing my value of the life of a fly and a 5 week old fetus is unpresidented.
I will not answer that question, because people who are logical, will know that statement has now barring.
Dude, a life's a life. True, a human life is more important, but an insects life is important too. Just because it's a different type of creature doesn't give us the right to take it's life.
I am having trouble with Rawisbetter!'s logic. Should I let the insects and mice run free through my home, and not kill them? Should I leave the flies alone in my house at peace?
I am killing skin cells rate now by pressing my fingers on the keyboard: Oh no!
Seriously...
You were the one who brought up this thread TWICE. I thought you were against abortion, and thought it was wrong..
I am killing skin cells rate now by pressing my fingers on the keyboard: Oh no!
Seriously...
You were the one who brought up this thread TWICE. I thought you were against abortion, and thought it was wrong..
If you go back through Mr Raws posts you'll see a pattern........stir the pot.........watch the pot..........ask ungermane questions to go off topic.............ect
Let's get some things strait. The reason I posted this thread twice is because my first one got locked, due to someone else flamming.
"I am having trouble with Rawisbetter!'s logic. Should I let the insects and mice run free through my home, and not kill them? Should I leave the flies alone in my house at peace?"
If you don't want them in your home, then get rid of them without killing or injuring them. Then do something to your home that keeps them out. But to deliberatly take another life is wrong.
"I am killing skin cells rate now by pressing my fingers on the keyboard: Oh no!
Seriously...
I thought you were against abortion, and thought it was wrong.."
You don't get me do you? I'm Rawisbetter!. The single biggest attraction to Gametalk before they kicked me off. I argue from every point of view(Mainly from the conservative side). I do it for the sake of arguing. If someone doesn't make much sense in a thread, I call them out on it. You said you think abortion is wrong because you consider the fetus a life once the sperm fertilizes the egg. So if you consider a day old fetus, a valuable life, then shouldn't you feel the same way about a mouse, or a cat? If you don't then it doesn't quite add up.
"I am having trouble with Rawisbetter!'s logic. Should I let the insects and mice run free through my home, and not kill them? Should I leave the flies alone in my house at peace?"
If you don't want them in your home, then get rid of them without killing or injuring them. Then do something to your home that keeps them out. But to deliberatly take another life is wrong.
"I am killing skin cells rate now by pressing my fingers on the keyboard: Oh no!
Seriously...
I thought you were against abortion, and thought it was wrong.."
You don't get me do you? I'm Rawisbetter!. The single biggest attraction to Gametalk before they kicked me off. I argue from every point of view(Mainly from the conservative side). I do it for the sake of arguing. If someone doesn't make much sense in a thread, I call them out on it. You said you think abortion is wrong because you consider the fetus a life once the sperm fertilizes the egg. So if you consider a day old fetus, a valuable life, then shouldn't you feel the same way about a mouse, or a cat? If you don't then it doesn't quite add up.
Why argue a side you disagree with? That makes no sense.
A zygote is the earliest stage of human life.
I consider all stages of human life equal, don't you?
HUMAN life, HUMAN.
A zygote is the earliest stage of human life.
I consider all stages of human life equal, don't you?
HUMAN life, HUMAN.