Abortion don't favour life .....

[Onebody]

Link: Abortion as topic

Have you ever had an abortion or are you thinking about it? Many women have been faced with this situation and they have wondered what to do, as they have not been prepared for the situation.

On the next lines we are going to look at abortion, which certainly is not one of the easiest subjects. We are going to concentrate on whether abortion is the right thing to do, what points are used to justify it and how the child's development generally takes place. It is important to be clear about these, because our opinion of abortion depends a lot on how we think about these issues.

The next story well describes, what a difficult thing an unexpected pregnancy can be for many people, especially if they are not mentally prepared and been ready for it - it may feel like a heavy burden for them. The example also shows, how in spite of all the propaganda, many who have had an abortion later feel that they did the wrong thing. They may feel guilty of it, but they can't undo it anymore.

 

[tracy]

First things first, any site that claims a fetus can survive after 20 weeks gestation is bull. If they don't take the time to research something so basic, I don't see why I should trust their other info.

"some children may be born even after 20 weeks as premature babies and still stay alive"

" A 20-21 week old child can these days be kept alive also outside the womb, and they stay alive. Some countries abort children even older than this"

 

[fuzzylogix]

While I think abortion sucks, I do recognize that there are some situations where it is best for the pregnant woman. There are many valid reasons for arguing against abortion, be it that there may be subsequent mental anguish and guilt or be it that there may be physical consequences. There are also arguments in some cases FOR abortion, such as rape, young age, etc.

Counselling of a pregnant woman however MUST be done by someone who is not biased in such a blatant manner. The facts and risks of either having an abortion or not, and the options of each scenario must be discussed without adding a guilt clause to it.

And yet again, if society doesnt want abortions, then they have to help financially support the pregnant women, and they have to get over the stigma of an unplanned pregancy that is still too prevalent in this world. You cant say that life and a fetus are God's creation and then criticize the circumstances of the creation.

 

[jimmoyer]

The best and only solution is the ongoing public
discussion of it.

 

[Jay]

What of mothers allowance and such...isn't that suport?

My sister recieved it raised two kids, then met a man had a few more kids. She could have aborted them all, but didn't.

There is lots of support for people who want it IMO.


Good post BTW, Fuzzy.

 

[GreenGreta]

I could have had one at 19 and didn't. Having that boy was the best move I've ever made and I credit him with saving my life at least ten million times. Plus, just recently I felt pride for him that was stronger than any emotion I have ever felt. I am amazed by the emotion children can create. Children are truly awesome!

However, if I had an abortion, I could have gone to school, become the chef I wanted to be back then. Now, sure, I'd have travelled all over, cooked in ten dozen countries, met fifty billion people. But not one of the fifty billion people I met in the ten dozen countries will make me laugh as hard, cry as hard and love as much as my child has.

But hey, that's just me.

We should look at every pregnancy individually. A 15 year old girl, a woman who was raped, a woman whose husband is in prison for the murder of the neighbourhood priest, a crack addict... maybe having a kid isn't the best move for them. I can think of a hundred scenarios where an abortion should be an option for the mother.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Yup, but how wonderful you chose the love of your child.
That is the biggest sorrow of an abortion. Looking back in one's old age (not that I think you are old,GG) and realizing that the only thing that mattered was the child you could have had.

 

[GreenGreta]

Well the bonus of having the guy at that age was the other day at his school his teacher thought I was his sister.

Yup, even have witnesses.

 

[fuzzylogix]

Kids age you greatly but keep you young. You, GG, will be able to go bar hopping with him--what a great bonus!!!!

 

[LittleRunningGag]

Fetus = parasite

Until it can survive on its own, a fetus is nothing more than a parasite and a woman should have no problem finding a medical solution to deal with it. If she decides to allow the parasite to run its course that's her decision. If she chooses to medically intervene, who are we to tell her no? It is her body and her parasite.

If we run the gambit of trying to control reproduction, what is to stop the state from getting all big brother-esque and taking away our right to choose our own partners? Or our right to procreate all together? 1984 much?

 

[Vereya]

Fetus = parasite

Until it can survive on its own, a fetus is nothing more than a parasite and a woman should have no problem finding a medical solution to deal with it. If she decides to allow the parasite to run its course that's her decision. If she chooses to medically intervene, who are we to tell her no? It is her body and her parasite.

do you REALLY think so? Do you really believe that a new life, a new being that you bring into the world is but a parasite? If that is the case, I hope you will never have children...

As for abortion - it is a matter of circumstance. I believe that abortions should be legal, because there might be different situations - rape, for instance, or some health problems. This option should always be open, and then it's up to the woman to decide whether to keep the baby or not.

And this topic reminds me of something else - don't you girls think that contraception pills are one of the greatest things ever invented? I mean, with the right kind of contraception you wouldn't even have to face this problem of abortion, and that really sets you free to enjoy life and to achieve the goals that you have. We had a kind of a family gathering recently, and as we were in the kitchen with my grandmother and some of my aunts, we started discussing men, and sex - well, the usual girl stuff...
And my grandmother, who is now 80, was telling how loath she was to have sex, just because she was constantly afraid of getting pregnant again, or of having to have an abortion. Aren't we much luckier nowadays?

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Abortion don't favour life .....

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We should look at every pregnancy individually. A 15 year old girl, a woman who was raped, a woman whose husband is in prison for the murder of the neighbourhood priest, a crack addict... maybe having a kid isn't the best move for them. I can think of a hundred scenarios where an abortion should be an option for the mother.

Dead on.

Also, I know that people often make decisions that are very different when faced with that choice.

Does anyone remember the man who took his ex-wife to court in order to try to prevent her from having an abortion? The wife won, had the abortion then, after all the struggle and drama, she later went on the say, in public that she regretted it.

 

[GreenGreta]

Fetus = parasite

Until it can survive on its own, a fetus is nothing more than a parasite and a woman should have no problem finding a medical solution to deal with it. If she decides to allow the parasite to run its course that's her decision. If she chooses to medically intervene, who are we to tell her no? It is her body and her parasite.

If we run the gambit of trying to control reproduction, what is to stop the state from getting all big brother-esque and taking away our right to choose our own partners? Or our right to procreate all together? 1984 much?

You must have had a wonderful, warm and loving mother. Was that her nickname for you? The little parasite.

This is the coldest, saddest and most disturbing post I've read here. Seek help you sick f*ck.

 

[Said1]

Fetus = parasite

Until it can survive on its own, a fetus is nothing more than a parasite and a woman should have no problem finding a medical solution to deal with it. If she decides to allow the parasite to run its course that's her decision. If she chooses to medically intervene, who are we to tell her no? It is her body and her parasite.

If we run the gambit of trying to control reproduction, what is to stop the state from getting all big brother-esque and taking away our right to choose our own partners? Or our right to procreate all together? 1984 much?

Parasite? Let's not be so harsh.

I know it maybe hard for you to imagine, but women often bond with and identify the parasite feeding off their body, before it's born, regardless of the choice they make. Although some don't, I'm sure none call it a parasite, akin to anal worms or head lice.

 

[annabattler]

If abortion were to be outlawed, then what is society to do with all the unwanted,uncared for children. In the United States there are well over one million children in the foster care system.....many with the prognosis of being dependent on the state for their lifetimes, either through the justice system, the handicapped system....or by becoming parents themselves, unable to deal with the issues children present....and so the cycle continues.
My "adopted" grandson was an unplanned -for child of a single parent. With much support from family and friends, his mother was able to make her own choice...and I might add that my "adopted" grandson is a gifted student,well-adjusted and a true joy.

 

[Finder]

It's is the body of that women and her choice. If you outlaw it women have been doing Abortions themselves for thousands of years if by drugs or by other means. Some of them are not safe and I think making them illegal and forcing your values on others will for one not help in the matter because Abortions will still take place and secondly you have no right on that persons body.

Now many of you may think I'm completely wrong for saying this but not untill birth I don't think you could see it as a person yet, it is still apart of the mothers body. Though I personally think Abortions are wrong I think the woman with the child has sovereign rights over her own body, including her reproductive organs.

 

[thecdn]

The ability to have an abortion will always remain a necessary evil. If outlawed we will just return to the time when the rich got theirs from private doctors and the poor suffered through back alley butchers or do-it-yourself kits. To think otherwise is to deny reality.

What always angers me about such things, especially living here in the US, is that the call to eliminate abortion is led by the right wing theists. These would also be the same people who lead the fight against realistic sex education and proper access to birth control.

Just say no works worse for sex than it does for drugs. And making it difficult to get birth control, as we have seen in the politcally motivated refusal to endorse plan B by the fda, is just immoral.

It would be great if there were no more abortions ever again. It isn't going to happen but there would be far fewer with better sex education and access to birth control.

 

[thecdn]

Fetus = parasite

When you said people on this site think of you as somewhat of a libertarian when compared to your persona over on ap I think I know why :wink:

I fully support abortion rights and would never want to end them but I wouldn't make such a statement. For a minute there I thought maybe Nathan had borrowed your account.

 

[LittleRunningGag]

Since three of you responded to it, I'll address all of you.

Parasite: An animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant).

Source

Explain the difference between a parasite and a fetus. Does this definition not fit that of a fetus?

Before you decide to admonish me I do see the difference between baby and a fetus. Maybe you should try thinking about it because there is a difference. If an unborn child is not able to live without direct intervention by its mother's body, it is, by definition, a parasite. If you choose to see more into it than a definition, that is your hang-up.

You must have had a wonderful, warm and loving mother. Was that her nickname for you? The little parasite.

This is the coldest, saddest and most disturbing post I've read here. Seek help you sick f*ck.

You have a point somewhere in this, I'm sure, but I fail to see anything but a knee-jerk personal attack.

do you REALLY think so? Do you really believe that a new life, a new being that you bring into the world is but a parasite? If that is the case, I hope you will never have children...

See above, and realise the difference between a child and a fetus. As for your wish for my loving significant other to remain barren, I hope you die in a fire. Soon.

Parasite? Let's not be so harsh.

I know it maybe hard for you to imagine, but women often bond with and identify the parasite feeding off their body, before it's born, regardless of the choice they make. Although some don't, I'm sure none call it a parasite, akin to anal worms or head lice.

Thank you for giving me a calm and reasoned response, at least there are a few people on this board that can see past their hang ups. As for the term, it is just a word right? What it does is put things in perspective. Like I said, you identify the word parasite with something bad. Why does it have to be bad? Why can't it simply provide an adequate decription of the relationship between mother and fetus?

When you said people on this site think of you as somewhat of a libertarian when compared to your persona over on ap I think I know why Wink

I fully support abortion rights and would never want to end them but I wouldn't make such a statement. For a minute there I thought maybe Nathan had borrowed your account.

Words are just words. If a definition applies, I don't see why we can't use it. Anyway, while I am pretty libertarian in general, but I can't possibly hope to live up to the example set by Nate and Scar. Thats a little too much emotional detachment for me. :lol:

 

[Vereya]

Since three of you responded to it, I'll address all of you.

Parasite: An animal or plant that lives in or on a host (another animal or plant).

Source

Explain the difference between a parasite and a fetus. Does this definition not fit that of a fetus?

do you REALLY think so? Do you really believe that a new life, a new being that you bring into the world is but a parasite? If that is the case, I hope you will never have children...

See above, and realise the difference between a child and a fetus. As for your wish for my loving significant other to remain barren, I hope you die in a fire. Soon.

The difference between a fetus and a parasite is that a parasite will never be anything but a parasite. its functions are limited to living on a host and feeding from it. And a fetus is a tiny being learning how to live. If you see no difference, you miss the very point of having children. And when your loving significant other will be expecting a child, will you treat her as a person who has parasites?

And as for my dying in a fire - not in this life. And not in the next one, either.