A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight On

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight O

Well as No1 said. If the US comes to take your water and resources. what would you do? fight or hide?

Hopefully I'll never have to face that. If I was younger I would probably fight, at my age, I would likely hide.

But that's irrelevant, the discussion was about insurgents and who (kurds) is training for the national guard and fighting with Americans... i.e. divisions within Iraq, not about the brave Iraqi soldiers who stood and fought a year and half ago. That war is over.

So, the best answer I can give you is I don't know if I would fight...I probably would. One thing for sure though, once we were inevitably overrun I wouldn't start setting off car bombs against other Canadians I didn't like or didn't agree with, blow up police stations, assassinate politicians.....

 

[sj007]

new story : Lawyer Says Saddam is on Hunger Strike, Despite US Denial By Lisa Bryant
Paris
13 December 2004

One of Saddam Hussein's lawyers says the former Iraqi leader is refusing food, despite reports to the contrary. French lawyer Emmanuel Ludot says he wants the International Red Cross to check on Saddam's condition.

Lawyer Emmanuel Ludot says he heard from a colleague in Iraq that Saddam Hussein is on a hunger strike.
According to his sources in Iraq, Mr. Ludot says, Saddam stopped eating three days ago, to protest the conditions of his detention, and the fact he cannot meet his family or his lawyers. Mr. Ludot says he will meet with Red Cross officials in Geneva on Wednesday to discuss the situation. He wants the international agency to visit Saddam and several other imprisoned members of his regime in Iraq, and publish a report on their detention.

The Red Cross officials visit Saddam and the other detainees regularly. Its last visit was in November, when, according to Mr. Ludot the officials reported Saddam was in good health.

The U.S. military denies Saddam is on a hunger strike. It says eight colleagues who did stop eating have now ended their protests.

The conflicting assertions come a year after U.S. soldiers discovered Iraq's former leader in an underground hiding spot, near his hometown of Tikrit. Saddam remains in prison in an undisclosed location, where he reportedly gardens and writes poetry. It is not clear when he will be brought to trial.

Mr. Ludot is one of about 20 lawyers from around the world, who are reportedly representing Saddam. None of them is known to have met with the former Iraqi leader, including Mr. Ludot.

Mr. Ludot says he will raise the issue of meeting with Saddam, along with the hunger strike reports, when he meets with Red Cross officials this week.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2004-12-13-voa61.cfm

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight O

Mr. Ludot is one of about 20 lawyers from around the world, who are reportedly representing Saddam. None of them is known to have met with the former Iraqi leader, including Mr. Ludot.

Mr. Ludot says he will raise the issue of meeting with Saddam, along with the hunger strike reports, when he meets with Red Cross officials this week.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2004-12-13-voa61.cfm

My hunch is it's a ploy to speed up a meeting with Saddam, to demonstrate that he's not on a hunger strike.

 

[sj007]

what if he were die in us capure?

 

[moghrabi]

then that's exactly what the US want. To die and he never have to say what he has to say.

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight O

Well as No1 said. If the US comes to take your water and resources. what would you do? fight or hide?

Hopefully I'll never have to face that. If I was younger I would probably fight, at my age, I would likely hide.

But that's irrelevant, the discussion was about insurgents and who (kurds) is training for the national guard and fighting with Americans... i.e. divisions within Iraq, not about the brave Iraqi soldiers who stood and fought a year and half ago. That war is over.

So, the best answer I can give you is I don't know if I would fight...I probably would. One thing for sure though, once we were inevitably overrun I wouldn't start setting off car bombs against other Canadians I didn't like or didn't agree with, blow up police stations, assassinate politicians.....

I think when it comes to protecting yourself, family, home, city and country, you would do things you will never imagine of doing right now.

 

[sj007]

just look at history plenty of examples there

 

[moghrabi]

True SJ. Let me ask you something SJ.

Would you fight for your country?

 

[Rick van Opbergen]

Doesn't it depend on the situation whether you will fight for your country or not? I wouldn't fight for my country if they started a war somewhere, to expand the "Kingdom", and called me up to participate in slaying innocents somewhere. However, when lets say the UK would invade my country (for no reason except expanding their territory or something in that direction), I would definitely consider fighting them. But it depends on the situation really. During WW II, the majority of the Dutch just continued with their life without any spectacular fighting whatsoever. I think I would be part of that group.

But anyway, I'm not sj007, so I hope this answer does not sound arrogant

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: A Year After Saddam's

I'm on Rick's side here. It is highly situational.

 

[moghrabi]

That was the question. If you are invaded, would you fight for your country?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: A Year After Saddam's

Invaded under what circumstances?

If we were invaded right now? Yeah.

If Stevie had taken control and we were by somebody who was freeing us from the Flintstone people? Not bloody likely.

 

[Paranoid Dot Calm]

I always think of the hatred that the victims must have towards the U.S..

For the sake of argument, let's just say that the U.S. has killed 50 thousand Iraqi's and another 100 thousand wounded .... that is a whole bunch of pissed-off relatives.

Even by friendly fire, if an American killed one of my family .... sorry ..... one American would be goin' down for the count! For sure! Especially, when I've been sitting in the dark for more than a year without electricity, running water and fuel.

Somebody is paying for this!

Imagine being a young person attending grade 7 or 8 .... and then finding that it's impossible to continue taking your classes? There goes the kids future! A whole generation of Iraqi's have been destroyed in this fashion. Every kid has or is gonna lose 5 years before he can safely return to school.

250 thousand people were thrown out of Falujah or wherever.
I don't know what I would do if I was "evacuated" from Toronto. Where would I go? What about my house and furniture?

That is a lot of people and families and kids! Jezz .... They must be some pissed! I get mad just thinkin' about it.

That's life. It ain't no pretty picture.

Calm

 

[moghrabi]

Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's

Invaded under what circumstances?

If we were invaded right now? Yeah.

If Stevie had taken control and we were by somebody who was freeing us from the Flintstone people? Not bloody likely.

Rev, The question originated from Just the facts. You could read above.

The question is if we were invaded like Iraq was, would he defend his country. Would he be an "insurgent". Would he setup bombs to kill the enemy. Or would he just hide or run away.

He was wondering why people would do such things.

What is your take on that, Rev?

 

[Paco]

Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight O

new story : Lawyer Says Saddam is on Hunger Strike, Despite US Denial By Lisa Bryant

Impossible. It has not been proven that he has even been captured.

:laughing3:

 

[Reverend Blair]

The question is if we were invaded like Iraq was, would he defend his country. Would he be an "insurgent". Would he setup bombs to kill the enemy. Or would he just hide or run away.

The question is too general though, Moghrabi. In Iraq? You bet. I would have also been working against Saddam though. Does that make me an insurgent, a terrorist, a patriot, or a shit disturber?

Let's compicate things a little more. I've been a fan of Hugo Chavez for a bit now. He's done pretty well at giving power to the people and taking it away from the super-wealthy. The Bolivarian revolution is a major good thing.

Hugo Chavez packed the court on his side today though. I have some serious reservations about that. I'll wait to see where it goes, but I ain't smilin'. I've seen more than a couple of leaders hit the ditch in bizarre ways though.

Which side does my (figurative) gun point at? Those that would oppress.

Could that figurative gun become real? Yep. It would take a lot because I don't think killing people solves anything, but then you have to keep people from killing people.

In the end though, if Osama and Saddam and the many generations of Bush were nailed to trees all around me, and only I could save them from the rabid coyotes...well, I'd go sit in the truck and have a beer and cheer on the gnawing.

I'm not sure about Hugo yet Pretty sure I will be though.

 

[moghrabi]

Saddam could've been easily removed. There was no need for an all out invasion and 100,000 dead.

Now let's assume that Saddam was removed easily but yet your country was invaded for a different reasons (WMD, Qaida, and all the BS). Would you fight the occupier as the peope of Iraq are doing? I am trying to be as specific as possible. Would you go after the occupier the same way the iraqi people are?

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's

Rev, The question originated from Just the facts. You could read above.

The question is if we were invaded like Iraq was, would he defend his country. Would he be an "insurgent". Would he setup bombs to kill the enemy. Or would he just hide or run away.

He was wondering why people would do such things.

What is your take on that, Rev?

That's not correct. We were talking about the Kurds fighting with the Americans and the divisions within Iraq. Somehow we got on to national defense. It's a ruse. :wink:

 

[moghrabi]

It does not matter how we got to the question Just the facts. The question was put to you and you answered it. I am asking Rev Blair the same question. Is there a problem with the question? Why is it a ruse?

 

[Just the Facts]

Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight O

Why is it a ruse?

Because the original question was "would you like your country to be divided?". When that became indefensible, the question suddenly became "would you like your country to be invaded".

Therefore, ruse. Very clever too.