There is no feeling in separating Iraq. It is basically a US plan to separate the North and appoint a Kurdish puppet. The north have most of Iraqs oil. The North does not belong to the Kurdish people. They are refugees in Iraq and now they want their own country by separating the north. This is why Turkey never supported the war in Iraq for fears that the kurds in its south will ask for same.
A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight On
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I think that the fall-back plan for the U.S. is for them to move all their troops into Kurdish held areas after a Shite mullah is "elected". The only reason that Sistani is supporting these "sham" elections is because he knows the Shite got the majority.
The opposition knows that the US mandate (through the UN) for the occupation has specific "conditions" which must be carried out as sheduled or set-out within UN documents and resolutions.
The January 31st election must be carried out .... sham or no sham! It was part of the deal reached at the UN. It is part of the "International Law". Any delay would mean that the US would need to return to the UN in order to "rectify" the resolution. And the U.S. knows this as well as opposition forces.
Turkey is not gonna stand by and watch a Kurdish state be formed because of historical facts, and where Turkey has "genuine" concerns about any separate Kurdish state.
This is why the US is pushing hard for Turkey to gain membership in the European Union.
The largest producing oil fields are in the Northern part of Iraq. The South has huge oil reserves, but not the production or refining capabilities. It is the Northern part of Iraq which is the real prize. All the assets are there. Even the largest airfield is there.
Iran will sort of be given the South of the country. They are there now anyway. Iran will fund the building of infrastructure in the South and will invest in oil facilities.
What is to be done with those folks living in the middle? The Sunni's? It don't seem like much. They either go with the flow, and lose any right to anything, or resist.
I think that every Iraqi should be right pissed to know that the US gave the Kurds (who are only 20% of population) "veto" rights over any constitutional change! Imagine that? The US knew exactly what they were doing!
Calm
The opposition knows that the US mandate (through the UN) for the occupation has specific "conditions" which must be carried out as sheduled or set-out within UN documents and resolutions.
The January 31st election must be carried out .... sham or no sham! It was part of the deal reached at the UN. It is part of the "International Law". Any delay would mean that the US would need to return to the UN in order to "rectify" the resolution. And the U.S. knows this as well as opposition forces.
Turkey is not gonna stand by and watch a Kurdish state be formed because of historical facts, and where Turkey has "genuine" concerns about any separate Kurdish state.
This is why the US is pushing hard for Turkey to gain membership in the European Union.
The largest producing oil fields are in the Northern part of Iraq. The South has huge oil reserves, but not the production or refining capabilities. It is the Northern part of Iraq which is the real prize. All the assets are there. Even the largest airfield is there.
Iran will sort of be given the South of the country. They are there now anyway. Iran will fund the building of infrastructure in the South and will invest in oil facilities.
What is to be done with those folks living in the middle? The Sunni's? It don't seem like much. They either go with the flow, and lose any right to anything, or resist.
I think that every Iraqi should be right pissed to know that the US gave the Kurds (who are only 20% of population) "veto" rights over any constitutional change! Imagine that? The US knew exactly what they were doing!
Calm
Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight O
Well think back to the 70's and the FLQ. I think some of them are still around or never say never. It could easily happen again.
Just the Facts said:
Well think back to the 70's and the FLQ. I think some of them are still around or never say never. It could easily happen again.
Commonly identified with the ancient Corduene, which was inhabited by the Carduchi (mentioned in Xenophon), the Kurds were conquered by the Arabs in the 7th cent. The region was held by the Seljuk Turks in the 11th cent., by the Mongols from the 13th to 15th cent., and then by the Safavid and Ottoman Empires. Having been decimated by the Turks in the years between 1915 and 1918 and having struggled bitterly to free themselves from Ottoman rule, the Kurds were encouraged by the Turkish defeat in World War I and by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson's plea for self-determination for non-Turkish nationalities in the empire. The Kurds brought their claims for independence to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.
They belong in Turkey. Turkey took their land, not Iraq.
They belong in Turkey. Turkey took their land, not Iraq.
I don't see how the text you presented proves that they belong to Turkey. Turkey in that context is equal to the Ottoman Empire - an empire to which a large part of Iraq belonged too during that time.
Traditionally the Kurds were nomadic herdsmen, but are now seminomadic or sedentary. The majority of Kurds are Sunni Muslims. The ancient Kurdish community near Kabul, Afghanistan left the country during the Afghan Civil War in the late 1970s. For over a century, many Kurds have been campaigning for the right to their own state, which they would call Kurdistan -- by some accounts the Kurds are the world's largest ethnic group without their own state. However, despite promises of the creation of such a state made in the early 20th century, all the region's governments are opposed to it.
They are ethnic group with no country to call home. The turks gave them pieces of land here and there. They refused an autonomus country in North Iraq and they wanted Mosul and the Large cities. They were crushed after that in Iraq.
Basically, Kurdish want to have pieces from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and even fro old sovient union to call Kurdistan.
They are ethnic group with no country to call home. The turks gave them pieces of land here and there. They refused an autonomus country in North Iraq and they wanted Mosul and the Large cities. They were crushed after that in Iraq.
Basically, Kurdish want to have pieces from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, and even fro old sovient union to call Kurdistan.
"Refugees are people who do not have a land to call home". If a Native Canadian does not call Canada like it is now his "land", is he then a refugee? If a Basque does not call Spain his home, is he then a refugee? During the Soviet era, you could probably find a lot of Estonians who claimed not to have a land which they could call "home". Were they refugees?
Native Indians do have a land. It is not if you call it your land or not. It is if you have a land or not. Basques have a land but fighting for independence from spain. Natives have a land and not fighting for independence or maybe they are and I am not aware of it). Kurds Do not have a land of their own. There is a big difference.
It is a historical fact. What do you want me to prove. If they have a land, where is it? They were nomads living here and there. So historically they never and still do have a land of their own. A little history search on Kurds will be in order.
Even nomads have a land to fall back on. Besides that, as your source says, " ... Traditionally the Kurds were nomadic herdsmen, but are now seminomadic or sedentary ..."
they evolved. However Nomads actually do not have a land to call home. They are here one day and there the next. It is if I come to Canada for 1 month and then to US for another and so on. I can't claim I am either Canadian nor American or anything else. I am a nomad. Noe they are seminomadic since nomadic life ceased to exist.
Re: RE: A Year After Saddam's Capture, Iraq's Rebels Fight O
You're right about that. Fortunately those who would choose violence like the FLQ are just a fringe element - so far! Lets hope it stays that way.
no1important said:
You're right about that. Fortunately those who would choose violence like the FLQ are just a fringe element - so far! Lets hope it stays that way.