A Tale of Two Resignations

TeddyBallgame

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- On October 16th, 2002, Mike Harris announced his resignation as premier of Ontario in the third year of his second term as premier, effective as soon as a leadership convention was cioncluded with the selection of a new leader of the PC Party and therefore a new premier of Ontario.

- On October 15th, 2012, almost exactly ten years later, Harris`s political arch enemy Liberal Dalton McGuinty announced his resignation as premier of Ontario, effective as soon as a leadership convention could be held and a new leader and premier selected.

- This is where the similarities end!

- When Mike Harris decided to step down, he had fulfilled the madate he had described in The Common Sense Revolution in 1995 more faithfully and completely than pretty much any political leader had been able to do before or since.

- Premier Harris in his nearly eight years in power had revitalized the Ontario economy by cleaning up the spending, tax, regulatory and union mess left behind from the previous NDP government and the dead hand of socialism. The economy and employment were once again growing and Ontario was once again among Canada`s leaders rather than Canada`s basket cases. The provincial deficit had been drastically reduced and the province`s fiscal situation was again under control. Also the control of the government was once again put in the hands of the elected representatives rather than the monopoly public sector unions which stopped growing and being compensated out of all relationship to the economy`s growth and the taxpayers`ability ot pay. Education and health care had been substantially reformed and improved. So Harris left behind him a record of promises kept, healthy provincial economy, a fiscally sound government, a talented cabinet team including some excellent potential premiers and a party in good shape with a majority in the legislature and a full year in which to select and make known to the public a new premier.

- Harris`s personal popularity had taken a short term hit to 33% over the Ipperwash Dudley George shooting but by any objective measure Mike was leaving at the top of his game. It seems that three factors played a role in his resignation. The first was that he didn`t want another term in government because he had accomplished what he came to Queen`s park to do and so the honest approach was to resign before the next election and long enough before the election to enable a new leader to become known to the voting public. Secondly, he thought it was about time that he entered the business world and began to make real money which he certainly has done since then. And thirdly he was then going through a difficult time in his marriage and was separated from his wife.

- Now we have Dalton McGuinty who resigned just one year into his third term, with a minority government disdained by the opposition and increasingly by the public, with his personal popularity mired around 25% and falling, with slow economic growth and high unemployment and a provincial debt he doubled in his two terms and a deficit the size of California`s even though California`s economy and population is triple Ontario`s, with a new and bitter animosity from the groups who kept McGuinty in power - the monopoly public sector unions of Ontario some 1.3 million members strong - for whom he had bankrupted the province for eight years to provide unaffordable compersation increases and now was getting tough with albeit too little, too late, and with a quarter billion dollar scandal over two power plants which were cancelled at great cost for strictly partisan political reasons and which is becoming a bigger and more disgusting scandal of Liberal opportunism and treachery with every new information release about it. McGuinty is also resigning without a single credible replacement as premier from his pitifully weak cabinet.

- So there is your tale of two resignations - one by a successful premier leaving at the top of his game with his province and his party in good shape and the other by a failed premier leaving at the bottom of his game with his province and his party in terrible shape. Harris quit even though he could have done a McGuinty by staying to win a third term election and then resigning a year later. But then Harris is an honourable man whereas McGuinty is a Gliberal.

- Good riddance, DOLTon McGuilty!
 

JLM

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- On October 16th, 2002, Mike Harris announced his resignation as premier of Ontario in the third year of his second term as premier, effective as soon as a leadership convention was cioncluded with the selection of a new leader of the PC Party and therefore a new premier of Ontario.

- On October 15th, 2012, almost exactly ten years later, Harris`s political arch enemy Liberal Dalton McGuinty announced his resignation as premier of Ontario, effective as soon as a leadership convention could be held and a new leader and premier selected.

- This is where the similarities end!

- When Mike Harris decided to step down, he had fulfilled the madate he had described in The Common Sense Revolution in 1995 more faithfully and completely than pretty much any political leader had been able to do before or since.

- Premier Harris in his nearly eight years in power had revitalized the Ontario economy by cleaning up the spending, tax, regulatory and union mess left behind from the previous NDP government and the dead hand of socialism. The economy and employment were once again growing and Ontario was once again among Canada`s leaders rather than Canada`s basket cases. The provincial deficit had been drastically reduced and the province`s fiscal situation was again under control. Also the control of the government was once again put in the hands of the elected representatives rather than the monopoly public sector unions which stopped growing and being compensated out of all relationship to the economy`s growth and the taxpayers`ability ot pay. Education and health care had been substantially reformed and improved. So Harris left behind him a record of promises kept, healthy provincial economy, a fiscally sound government, a talented cabinet team including some excellent potential premiers and a party in good shape with a majority in the legislature and a full year in which to select and make known to the public a new premier.

- Harris`s personal popularity had taken a short term hit to 33% over the Ipperwash Dudley George shooting but by any objective measure Mike was leaving at the top of his game. It seems that three factors played a role in his resignation. The first was that he didn`t want another term in government because he had accomplished what he came to Queen`s park to do and so the honest approach was to resign before the next election and long enough before the election to enable a new leader to become known to the voting public. Secondly, he thought it was about time that he entered the business world and began to make real money which he certainly has done since then. And thirdly he was then going through a difficult time in his marriage and was separated from his wife.

- Now we have Dalton McGuinty who resigned just one year into his third term, with a minority government disdained by the opposition and increasingly by the public, with his personal popularity mired around 25% and falling, with slow economic growth and high unemployment and a provincial debt he doubled in his two terms and a deficit the size of California`s even though California`s economy and population is triple Ontario`s, with a new and bitter animosity from the groups who kept McGuinty in power - the monopoly public sector unions of Ontario some 1.3 million members strong - for whom he had bankrupted the province for eight years to provide unaffordable compersation increases and now was getting tough with albeit too little, too late, and with a quarter billion dollar scandal over two power plants which were cancelled at great cost for strictly partisan political reasons and which is becoming a bigger and more disgusting scandal of Liberal opportunism and treachery with every new information release about it. McGuinty is also resigning without a single credible replacement as premier from his pitifully weak cabinet.

- So there is your tale of two resignations - one by a successful premier leaving at the top of his game with his province and his party in good shape and the other by a failed premier leaving at the bottom of his game with his province and his party in terrible shape. Harris quit even though he could have done a McGuinty by staying to win a third term election and then resigning a year later. But then Harris is an honourable man whereas McGuinty is a Gliberal.

- Good riddance, DOLTon McGuilty!

That is part of the story. The other part is it seems we have a guy who has dedicated his life to public service and didn't have the inclination to get out before his shelf life expired. The effect politicians have on the economy is similar to pissing in the ocean to raise high tide.
 

Walter

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I miss Mike's paying down of the debt and balanced budgets.
 

TeddyBallgame

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I miss Mike's paying down of the debt and balanced budgets.

- Walter ... So do I! I also miss his straight no BS communications style, his habit of keeping his promises and his refusal to kiss the fat, lazy asses of the public sector monopoly unions bosses who consider themselves to be the real political power in the province and who, under the NDP and the Lieberals, usually are.

- Each year, the Fraser Insitute ranks the provinces on theor ability to manage provincial finances by controlling spending, taxes and borrowing. In the past few years, the McGuinty government has been ranked 9th or 10th every year, sometimes being edged out for dead last by little PEI which is now almost totally an entitlement province. So it is not just you and I who miss Harris`s fiscal discipline.

That is part of the story. The other part is it seems we have a guy who has dedicated his life to public service and didn't have the inclination to get out before his shelf life expired. The effect politicians have on the economy is similar to pissing in the ocean to raise high tide.

- JLM ... Your comments in this thread are almost as idiotic as your comment that Americans should automatically re-elect Obama because OBL was captured and killed on his watch.

But to deal with them briefly (which is all the time they deserve), McGuinty and his teacher wife have dined in the public trough for almost all of their adult lives starting when McGuinty caught a break when his dad had a fatal heart attack while shovelling snow and DOLTon inherited his QP seat which was a hellava lot cushier and more secure than the two bit, two man law office he`d been running with his little brother in Ottawa. What McGuilty is dedicated to is feeding at the public trough.

As to your even more idiotic comment that politicians have no effect on the economy, you don`t even have a job and clearly know next to nothing about the economy. Political leaders (as opposed to ordinary politicians) do indeed have a significant impact on the economies of their jurisdictions insofar as they through tax and spending and borrowing policies and trade deals and government programs and subsidies directly effect the RELATIVE competitiveness and productivity and business climate and confidence of their jurisdiction. This is one of the reasons Canada is doing relatively well and the US is doing relatively poorly - Harper has helped a great deal to keep Canada competitive and business has confidence in him whereas Obama has undermined US competitiveness and US business has no confidence in him and prefers to sit on its hands and its cash until he is gone.

If you have anything specific, substantive and sensible to say, I shall respond. Otherwise, I shall not bother.
 

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If you have anything specific, substantive and sensible to say, i shall respond. Otherwise, i shall not bother.

fah kin awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I miss Mike's paying down of the debt and balanced budgets.

Paying down the debt?

Anyone who thinks Harris paid down the debt must have trouble adding:
YearNet95-96-880096-97-690597-98-396698-99-200299-0066800-01190201-0237502-0311703-04-548304-05-155505-06298

If we leave out the 95-96 and 05-06 years, that's a net of -16,849,000,000.
 

JLM

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TeddyBallgame;1659805 - JLM ... Your comments in this thread are almost as idiotic as your comment that Americans should automatically re-elect Obama because OBL was captured and killed on his watch. [/QUOTE said:
You are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't necessarily make it valid. Let me know when senior politicians start going to you for advice and then I might start losing sleep. Anyone who mindlessly patronizes ANY political party 100% of the time is suspect of being mentally deficient, if not deranged! :lol::lol::lol: :roll: