A fifth of European Union will be Muslim by 2050
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All that is so except the Sharia Law bit. That is completely outside the linear development of Western jurisprudence. And there is a big difference, a complete reorientation of the social contract.
First off, you need to understand that there are various understandings of Shari'a. Secondly, society evolves.
As there is of the Bible. Society does evolve, but has it really evolved in the past 500 years in most of the Muslim nations. Gotten worse, gotten better, gotten worse etc.
Who'se to say that European converts to Islam will understand Shari'a the same way as their Middle-Eastern counterparts?
Growing pains.
So what's your advice? Anti-Muslim theocracy? If a person chooses to adopt a new Faith, what are we to do about it? Hang him? Torture him until he either recants or dies, whichever comes first? I don't think there's much we can do about it unless we intend to curtail freedom of religion.
We shall see, we are having some trouble here with some young kids who think there on jihads. Parents are just like anyone else, except for the way some dress you would never know the difference. Nothing we can do about what religion someone choses, as long as it does not affect your way of life.
I've met converts too by the way, some to Islam, some from Islam. And I see nothing wrong with it at all. I'll admit though that I've had serious problems with fantics before, but I'm still not going to blame all Muslims for what certain persons did to me and my loved ones in the past.
I think you've hit on it here Machjo. People fearing loosing the choice to
choose their religion. Loosing their legal system that they understand and
accept. Moderates aren't shown in the Media, 'cuz they're unnewsworthy.
Hammer enough images like this, and it creates fear of losing choices
that Europeans currently have.
The Moslems in Europe (or elsewhere Globally) that just want to live their
lives in peace don't make the news. The fringe does though...
If the only "White" people that made the news regularly where Supremacist
Nazi Skinhead Dorks, then that would have a bearing on how all "White"
people would be perceived....and not just the fringe.
I think you've hit on it here Machjo. People fearing loosing the choice to
choose their religion. Loosing their legal system that they understand and
accept. Moderates aren't shown in the Media, 'cuz they're unnewsworthy.
Hammer enough images like this, and it creates fear of losing choices
that Europeans currently have.
The Moslems in Europe (or elsewhere Globally) that just want to live their
lives in peace don't make the news. The fringe does though...
If the only "White" people that made the news regularly where Supremacist
Nazi Skinhead Dorks, then that would have a bearing on how all "White"
people would be perceived....and not just the fringe.
No no no Ron, everything above DEFINES what Islam is all about. The moderates are a minority....didn't you know that?
And just another point for the sake of argument. Let's suppose Muslims do become a majority in future, but non-Muslims always treated them with respect until then. My guess is they'd come out as moderates. But if they'd been harassed until then, some of them might be looking vor vengeance. We can create our futures for good or bad.
It's Sunday & I've been indoors too long to bother looking for exact
numbers, & I'm going to roll out with my Dogs in the next hour or less
anyway....but the extremist Fringe is what percent of the total
population? 5%? 2%?
The Pic's above look like a huge crowd, but the signs are repeated over
in several pictures. Is this Protest in London really 50 people? 500? Out
of a European population of 1/2 a Billion?
Where have i ever said that. I've thought Western Jurisprudence and Western national economic principles, when they were allowed to operate, worked humanely and effectively.
My point is you cannot overestimate the effect of religious sentiments on social mores and institutions. It is at their origins, and they conform themselves to its principles. You might think they are irrelevant, or that we've 'evolved' past them, but that's not what history tells us.
Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West, published in the early 20th Century predicted much of what we are seeing now, as we become a 'post religious' society. Where it is tolerated, and considered somewhat quaint and a placebo for social peace, but with out any substance. Certainly without the clout to usurp the cult of secular reason, that governs us.
In fact societies where this has become the prevailing ethos, as our's has, have lost their civilizing impulse, and laid themselves open for conquest by vibrant cultures in the full flower their religious confidence and messianic zeal.
But you are right, my posts do have a chauvinistic element. I do not want to become a Muslim. I have no real interest in it, and frankly consider Islam an inversion of the intellectual and social tradition of Christianity, in its real form.
I'm not presenting any arbitrary solutions, but i know unless Christian culture regenerates itself in vital and authentic new forms, Islam will crash over us, and cast us aside.
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