A desperate Cry for help

[Sparrow]

The Native People's first problem is the government, media and religious organizations. What they have done is nothing short of RACISIM. If they treated the white man like that there would have been hell to pay. There has been widespread propaganda especially in the media against these people. It is not acceptable against other races but runs rampid when it refers to the Native People. We have the proof of this here on CC today with Westmanguy's first post, I also have a female friend that has the same attitude. It is not their fault, they have been indoctrinated to believe this way.

Something that really bugs me is why the "Office of Indian Affairs" is always run be a non-Native. I may be wrong but I have never heard of a Native person being named head of this org. What does a white person know about Native people? I knew nothing, but with the help of CDNBear who has given me sites to read I have learned a whole other side of the history.

I have learned that in the beginning they tries to keep their social structure, their governing ways(which were sometimes more democtratic than ours), their way of life, culture but they were stopped at every turn in the road. They were a proud people but that pride was destroyed because the white man felt they were superior, today because of propaganda most non- natives consider them a nuisance. To me this is a genocide without direct murder but a genocide just the same. No wonder these young people choose death over life, they have no hope.

What can we do? I don't know, I wish I did!

 

[Curiosity]

Sparrow

I don't know the history of the Native peoples in California but they applied around ten years ago to set up and operate gaming casinos in California. Of course the Nevada casino operators threw up their hands in argument - as they had lobbied for years to keep gaming out of California - but they
had no power over the Native peoples.

The gaming casinos were permitted and the only concern the government set up was roads going to the new developments on Native land....which would have to be constructed to state standards and probably built under government workers rules.... they came to an agreement and the Natives paid for the access roads... and now years later they are so successful they are even paying nominal taxes to the California government - which is a hoot because they were never asked to do so. The First Nations choose to pay taxes depending on their working and living circumstances.

They have much pride, have found a successful venture just as their people have done in the eastern part of the U.S. and have now found the financial means to uplift their own people without any government legislation or "assistance" or "interference"....

Hopefully one day it won't just be gaming casinos...but hotels and resorts and then...perhaps hospitals and universities.... but they had to make the money first as a beginning and all the money that was before going to Navada is staying in California to benefit them.

Some of their kids are paying their way through universities now and it's a win-win situation for everyone. They have found a foothold to independence and pride.

 

[Sparrow]

Curiosity

Here also some have set up Casinos. I presume some things have improved but I do not know to what extend. I wish CDNBear was in on this discussion because he could probably answer some of our questions. Maybe we will see him later in the day. I know that integration into the community of a new country, like the immiagrants, is not easy but image the insult and devastation of having to integrate in you OWN country.

 

[missile]

I still believe that assimilation into the general population is the best solution for their problems, as the reserves only keep the ghettoism of the natives going. In my area now, there are many black families and many Asians who have joined right into the community and we all get along. And my son in law is native, and refuses to do any of the native things that are his rights under our laws. Please don't think I am in any way , a bigot.

 

[westmanguy]

I really feel so happy that the thread starter brought this issue to light to enlighten us on the issues that face native children.

 

[Sparrow]

What story are you talking about? Can you give me a link please?

 

[temperance]

West what are you talking about and who are you talking too -What native that shoot up a school it was a comparison I was saying --


-I just wanted to bring the problem of suicide ,it so happens The people are Cree and First Nations and that 5 young adults have committed suicide in a short time span --I never said a Native person shot up a school I was making a comparison with they fact that you West believe IT was a cry for money --I don't know enough to know why any teenage commits suicide and can only (by my growing up with my mothers friends who were very well know Native people in government position and within the women native Friend ship center in my area, thats is the only why I knew about the problems which these women so vigilantly worked to eradicate -I cant speak for them and can only hope and offer within my community at this point --We can speculate as to why this is happening ,they are crying for help as are most teens that comment suicide it its just a young native person with out support of a tribe (tribe that has been able to work throught problems will have a much harder time with life --Pleaase, West move on to a diffrent thread ,you are not of any use to this one

 

[temperance]

Sparrow ,West is mixed up I never said a native person shoot up a school --West was saying it was cry for money I said money isnt going to help --"I said what would you do give the guy that shoot up the school money" and how would that help I was useing --as a comparsion --he(West ) didnt read it right

 

[Sparrow]

Temperance, thanks for clearing that up because I could not remember such a story in the news.

 

[westmanguy]

I feel in some respect the media should be kept accountable for bringing more attention to these sad but serious issues. Don't you?

 

[Sparrow]

Then if your going to blame anyone... blame the media.

From all the media represents, it rubs off as... they want more money, complaining about something, protesting about somethings, this and that..

My feelings on Natives come from what I hear, watch and read from the media.. so if your going to go %#(# on anyone get the media.

I think the monthly checks for being Native are enough from the gov....

On that note, when do we ever forget the "crimes" we caused against them... are we still going to give natives special status 1 century from now...?

It is not only what we did to them it is about what we are doing today. Read the post from CDNBear and mine on le Paix des Braves between Quebec and the Crees.
Canada Violates Conditions of the EM1A-Rupert Diversion Permit

 

[westmanguy]

I wish more people would come together to kill this issue and solve the problems once and for all.

 

[Sparrow]

How about maybe if they got their justice they would be in a better position to become productive member of their and our community. Just like some white people there will always be those who will live of the government, but at least those who want to work and succeed will have a chance. I don't know about how they are treated out west but here in Quebec there is alot to be desired.

 

[westmanguy]

Ottawa and Harper really need to address these issue facing the native community.

Or it will turn ugly, and we can't take anymore of that...

 

[canadarocks]

You may be a bleeding heart for the Natives.. but ALOT, and don't deny it, of Canadians couldn't care less about the Natives.

And ALOT, once again you can't deny, of people have levels of racism towards natives, due to their special status and $$

Not saying, if or if I am not in that group, but its there, and thats why they are never going to get their "Justice".

Racisim ends with one person saying I don't see your colour, I see your soul.

 

[westmanguy]

I wish more Canadians would stop looking at them in color, but for the people they really are.

Children making a desperate cry for help.

 

[canadarocks]

I am not racist.. I just don't like the fact Natives get so much benifits.

I want them to be treated equally to the rest of us.. and no more extra $$ and benifits, for your color of your skin.

This is reverse-racism. The gov. is seeing them in color.

The gov. is separating them with special status and special benifits.

Racism is treating people of different ethnicities different.

With that definition, our gov. is racist towards Natives.

Every comment you've made about the Indians has been racist. Do you blame them for wishing our government to uphold the treaties it agreed to uphold? Do you feel it would be fair to disregard what WE agreed to?

 

[canadarocks]

You may be a bleeding heart for the Natives.. but ALOT, and don't deny it, of Canadians couldn't care less about the Natives.

And ALOT, once again you can't deny, of people have levels of racism towards natives, due to their special status and $$

Not saying, if or if I am not in that group, but its there, and thats why they are never going to get their "Justice".

You know, I'm shocked to read these comments. How you can write such nasty stuff when the issue is regarding the high rate of suicide amongst young Natives is beyond me.
You claim you are not being racist, but you take a very serious problem and turn it into bigotry. How sad. Would you say these things to the Indian mothers of the children who have killed themselves?

 

[westmanguy]

I really feel sorry for the parents that have to deal with this tragedy in their lives.

 

[canadarocks]

I would say the parents probably had to be a factor in the suicides.

Many aboriginal adults are involved in criminal indictable offenses and have addiction problems. So the parents could have been a problem.

It could be that Natives don't value their youth.

Many factors could contribute to this.

Are you a parent? How dare you suggest such nonsense! How many Natives? Give me statistics, not your prejudice. How many of these parents have committed crime? How many of them are addicts??? If you cannot substantiate your racist remarks, be quiet. Children are killing themsleves, do you not understand that?