A call to USA and its president Biden

[Torch light]

In all states,

People of Lot unanimously acknowledged the homosexuality, so that only Lot's family were spared of such admitting this indecency and were saved except his wife who was later buried under the wreck of the earthquake.

Prophet Abraham wrangled with the angels; he said to them if half of the city are believers, will you punish them? They said: No. He said: If quarter of the city people are believers will you punish them? They said: No.
He said: If only one family in the city are believers, will you punish them? They said: No.
He said: Lot is there with his family.
They said: We know better about who are in the city, we will save him together with his family with the exception of his wife.

Quran 11: 76, which means:
([The angels said:] "Abraham, forsake this [word and the disputing about Lot’s people]; for the bidding of your Lord has come [about the punishment and the termination, so it will inevitably befall them], and indeed there is, coming to them, torment that cannot be turned back [away from them.]")

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/11.htm#a11_76

 

[Torch light]

This is something of what is mentioned in the Glorious Quran about Lot's people:
The angels after giving Abraham the good news of having a son : Isaac, he asked them what they were sent for:
Quran 51: 32-37, which mean:
(32. They said: "We have been sent to a guilty people."
33. "That we may loose upon them stones of clay."
34. "Marked [i.e. have marks from their origin by sedimentation], [in the world of Unknown] with your Lord [O Mohammed], [prepared] for the sinful."
35. And we brought forth from [Sodom] such of the believers m as were there.
36. But We found not therein except one house of those that submitted themselves [to God.]
37. And We left behind, there in [Sodom], a portent for those who fear the painful chastisement.)

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/51.htm#a51_36

 

[Torch light]

The story in the Torah included in the Old Testament that the wife of Lot turned her face to look back to the city, and she was converted into a statue of salt.. this story is false and fabricated by Ezra son of Siraeh.

In the Quran, Lot and his family were ordered to leave the city at night, and none of them should return back to the city which would be destroyed in the early morning. But his wife returned for something she left in the city, and she was included by the earthquake and was buried under the wreck.

 

[Torch light]

Of course the atheists and the materialists do not believe in God's dealing with disbelievers, and when their punishment comes they will say: it is only a natural thing.

 

[DaSleeper]

proud man's contumely, the pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay, the insolence of office, and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes, when he himself might his quietus make with a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear, to grunt and sweat under a weary life, but that the dread of something after death, the undiscover'd country from whose bourn no traveller returns, puzzles the will, and makes us rather bear those ills we have, than fly to others that we know not of? Thus consience doth make cowards of us all; and thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, and enterprises of great pith and moment with this regard their currents turn awry, and lose the name of action.

Who would by a consummative us pangs and to troud makes us make and makes consummation death make cast of us rath and arrows of us against give haveller deathe law's dels beart-ache name opposings of respect the there's coward this the when we his rath may we ents the who would fard to oth makes the mind the of grunt a sea of than fled of us mortal consummatients the natient merit of dels we heary from whethings of that sleep to sleep; nobler whose bourns that is sicklied of retus

There you go.......

 

[Torch light]

Peace not war
In this thread, I like to encourage peace among people; war is destructive... so till now things have gone bad in Ukraine, and wise men have to hasten to reform these people who are in war.
First of all:
Resort to God alone without associate, son or patron,
then commit yourselves to the Ten Commandments which are the constitution of God to mankind.
Desist from your adultery.
Refrain from your transgression on individuals and on peoples.
Discourage the homosexuality and sodomy.
Stop the abortion and killing the human fetus.
Stop the working with usury.

And you will prosper in your life and in the afterlife. ,, there will be peace instead of war and blessings instead of misery.

Quran 14: 7, which means:
([O Jews], remember when your Lord was requested [by your enemies to fight you but He did not permit them to do that; and He said to you]: "If you are thankful, I will surely increase you[r blessing];
but if you are ungrateful, My punishment is terrible indeed [to the disbeliever and denier of My bounties.]")

See the story and the interpretation here:

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/14.htm#a14_7

 

[Torch light]

Torch light said:
proud man's contumely, the pangs of dispriz'd love, the law's delay, the insolence of office, and the spurns that patient merit of the unworthy takes, when he himself might his quietus make with a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear, to grunt and sweat under a weary life, but that the dread of something after death, the undiscover'd country from whose bourn no traveller returns, puzzles the will, and makes us rather bear those ills we have, than fly to others that we know not of? Thus consience doth make cowards of us all; and thus the native hue of resolution is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought, and enterprises of great pith and moment with this regard their currents turn awry, and lose the name of action.

Torch light said:
Who would by a consummative us pangs and to troud makes us make and makes consummation death make cast of us rath and arrows of us against give haveller deathe law's dels beart-ache name opposings of respect the there's coward this the when we his rath may we ents the who would fard to oth makes the mind the of grunt a sea of than fled of us mortal consummatients the natient merit of dels we heary from whethings of that sleep to sleep; nobler whose bourns that is sicklied of retus

There you go.......
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I did not say that.
Seems not cool.

 

[Torch light]

The outward visible reasons of war are: the economic, military and tyranny. While the true reasons are the negligence of God's commandments in part or in total.
Quran 5: 14, which means:
(With those [Christians] who said: "We are the helpers of God['s religion]" –
"We ratified the covenant with them [too], but they have forgotten a portion of that they were admonished with c; so We have stirred up enmity and hatred among them [and they divided into many sects] till Doomsday, and God will assuredly inform them [on the Day of Judgment] of the [statues of the Christ and his mother and the crosses] they used to make.)
....................................................................................................................................................................................................................
c They worshipped the Christ and his mother and left God their Creator.

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/5.htm#a5_14

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Won't work, Dex.

Yeah I know, but I thought the point needed making anyway. Never know who else might be reading things here, and if it gives even one person pause, whether I ever know about it or not, I'd count that as a win.

 

[Torch light]

Very weird indeed are these people: why are you opposing the call to peace!?

 

[Torch light]

Russia is not worse than USA and its allies. in fact, they are worse than each other. As regards their transgression on peoples of the world. And as regards to their atheism, blasphemy, homosexuality, abortion, usury, and contradiction of all God's commandments.

Quran 5: 65-66, which mean:
(65. But had [Jews and Christians:] the people of the Bible believed [in that revealed to you: Mohammed] and warded off [the unbelief and the mischief], We would have acquitted them of their [past] sins and admitted them [on Judgment Day] into the Gardens of Prosperity [to prosper therein.]

66. And had they observed the Torah and the Gospel, and what was revealed to them from their Lord [in the original Torah and the original Gospel, including the belief in Mohammed, the Seal of prophets], they would surely have eaten [dates, fruits, 'manna' and birds] from above them, and [grains and vegetables] from below their feet.
Out of them are a group of reformers, but much many of them [are exceeding in sins – so] evil are their deeds.)

More explanation:

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/5.htm#a5_65

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Very weird indeed are these people: why are you opposing the call to peace!?

We're not. We're simply saying that there is not the first shred of evidence that reading your Really Old Book or believing your fairy tale will bring about peace.

Quite the contrary, the behaviour of people who claim to be devout followers of that fairy tale slaughter each other with cheerful abandon.

 

[Torch light]

Your are wrong.
Those who do as you say are not true believers, but hypocrites and subjects of intelligence of the Democratic people!!!
See what Russia is doing, and do not ignore what the USA did and does.
And what Great Britain! did, and what France did and is doing in Africa and what USSR did. And the genocide of Tel Aviv to the Palestinian people.

Moreover, do not deem yourselves far from God's punishment which is very imminent, but you are not aware, and which you deserve according to your disbelief.

 

[DaSleeper]

Your are wrong.
Those who do as you say are not true believers, but hypocrites and subjects of intelligence of the Democratic people!!!
See what Russia is doing, and do not ignore what the USA did and does.
And what Great Britain! did, and what France did and is doing in Africa and what USSR did. And the genocide of Tel Aviv to the Palestinian people.

Read this about your own prophet before you start casting stones.................................

Military career of Muhammad - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Torch light]

Read this about your own prophet before you start casting stones.................................

Military career of Muhammad - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

God supported and helped His messenger Mohammed with triumph as had He helped Prophet David against Goliath.

Quran 2: 251, which means:
(251. So they defeated [Goliath and his hosts] by God's leave,
and David slew Goliath;
and God gave to [David] sovereignty and wisdom [and prophet-hood] and taught him of [the knowledge, bird languages and armor making] as He willed.

And had not God restrained one set of people [: the non-believers and associaters] by means of another [: the believers], the earth would indeed have been full of mischief [: like infidelity, non-belief, association with God and corruption of the various aspects of life.]

But God is All-Bountiful to nations [by keeping them alive, and His much blessing on them.]

http://quran-ayat.com/pret/2.htm#a2_251

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Your are wrong.
Those who do as you say are not true believers,,,

That's the lamest excuse there is, claiming people who do bad things in the name of Allah, or Yahweh, or Buddha, or Rama, or whoever, aren't true members of the faith, so you who consider yourself a true believer can pretend your faith isn't responsible for any of the slaughter it's caused. YOU are wrong, and as long as you persist in viewing the world through the distorting lenses of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism and a literalist understanding of the Quran, reinforced by the foolish and ignorant ramblings of Al-Hilly, you're never going to make sense of the geopolitical realities of the modern world. You'll just continue to be wrong.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

That's the lamest excuse there is, claiming people who do bad things in the name of Allah, or Yahweh, or Buddha, or Rama, or whoever, aren't true members of the faith, so you who consider yourself a true believer can pretend your faith isn't responsible for any of the slaughter it's caused. YOU are wrong, and as long as you persist in viewing the world through the distorting lenses of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism and a literalist understanding of the Quran, reinforced by the foolish and ignorant ramblings of Al-Hilly, you're never going to make sense of the geopolitical realities of the modern world. You'll just continue to be wrong.

Yep, it's actually in the book. It's the no-true-Scotsman fallacy. It goes like this. . .

No Scotsman wears knickers under his kilt!

Well, MacTavish does, and he's a Scotsman.

No TRUE Scotsman wears knickers under his kilt!

 

[Torch light]

That's the lamest excuse there is, claiming people who do bad things in the name of Allah, or Yahweh, or Buddha, or Rama, or whoever, aren't true members of the faith, so you who consider yourself a true believer can pretend your faith isn't responsible for any of the slaughter it's caused.

So you yourself are held responsible about casting the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki!?

 

[Torch light]

The Russian should stop this war

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1505440994145280002

 

[Dexter Sinister]

So you yourself are held responsible about casting the nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki!?

No, the United States is responsible for that, most particularly its president at the time, Harry Truman, it was ultimately his decision. But that has nothing at all to do with the point under discussion, which was about how religion tries to evade responsibility for evil deeds done in its name by denying that the perpetrators are members. I see no connection between that and your silly suggestion that I could be held responsible for the bombs dropped on a couple of Japanese cities. Nobody's ever tried to deny that the people who did that were Americans, neither has the United States ever tried to deny responsibility for it. If that's the best logic you can come up with it's no surprise that you don't understand much.

And just BTW, you get no credibility from citing yourself, and don't try to pretend you're not Ea Nassir. Nobody who had exchanges with him here, or with the other persona you've used here, selfsame I think it was, would believe they're different people.