A basic income for all

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Not a % but a dollar value. No percentage based tax is equal or fair.

I disagree. Percentages are fair. It is sliding percentages (like we have now) which aren't. A fixed $ would be unfair to the poor people. A flat $5000 would be harder for somebody making $20K/year than somebody making $100K. Sliding % is unfair to those that make more. Flat percentage is fair because everybody pays the same proportion of their income.
 

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That's just so 1960's. - love in - joan baez - peter seeger
an all the rest.



Didn't work then
Won't now.
not me
i worked
the basic income thing
Look around-there are many who think it would work and they are not wild eyed dreamers.It worked in Dauphin Manitoba on an experimental basis. Journalist Andrew Coyne,Tory Senator Hugh Segal,economists and some other prominent Canadians promote it.Years back Brian Mulroney sent out the Forget Commission across Canada to inquire what public thought about it`s implementation.Liberal govt in NS in their pdf on tax reform a couple months ago had a recommendation for it by the Canada Council.NS is in terrible financial shape and they said it was a `conversation we should be having...

Why don't animals need a basic income????
Because Mother Nature has provided them à basic income.

I disagree. Percentages are fair. It is sliding percentages (like we have now) which aren't. A fixed $ would be unfair to the poor people. A flat $5000 would be harder for somebody making $20K/year than somebody making $100K. Sliding % is unfair to those that make more. Flat percentage is fair because everybody pays the same proportion of their income.
Doesn`t that go back to earlier arguments that the rich would never stand for it-think it unfair and would move to tax haven countries when or where they could.

I disagree. Percentages are fair. It is sliding percentages (like we have now) which aren't. A fixed $ would be unfair to the poor people. A flat $5000 would be harder for somebody making $20K/year than somebody making $100K. Sliding % is unfair to those that make more. Flat percentage is fair because everybody pays the same proportion of their income.
It is such a complicated subject-no economists agree and my head hurts if i even read it.Practice and theory have bit many money managers on the rear.Adjustments would have to be made for things like investments,supply and demand.I have no axe to grind with smaller entrepreneurs but big ones and unfair taxes on some sports players making 10-15 20 million for a seasonal short time job-doesn`t move me to tears...
 

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Because Mother Nature has provided them à basic income.

Nature provides a basic means, for those who are willing to make an effort, who go out searching to provide for themselves. ;)


Oh wait !!!! That requires effort and intelligence.

Wild animals are smarter then you goreObsessed ;)
 
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Nature provides a basic means, for those who are willing to make an effort, who go out searching to provide for themselves. ;)


Oh wait !!!! That requires effort and intelligence.

Wild animals are smarter then you goreObsessed ;)
So, how much foraging in nature do you do, Ang?
 

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I disagree. Percentages are fair. It is sliding percentages (like we have now) which aren't. A fixed $ would be unfair to the poor people. A flat $5000 would be harder for somebody making $20K/year than somebody making $100K. Sliding % is unfair to those that make more. Flat percentage is fair because everybody pays the same proportion of their income.

It is impossible to create an income tax that is both equal and fair. VAT is the only tax that is both. Even with a VAT there would have to be a way to ensure that the really poor are not overburdened.
 

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It is impossible to create an income tax that is both equal and fair. VAT is the only tax that is both. Even with a VAT there would have to be a way to ensure that the really poor are not overburdened.
Wait, if VAT is "equal and fair," how could there be any possibility of the "really poor" being overburdened?

That makes no sense.
 

nimrod

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It is impossible to create an income tax that is both equal and fair. VAT is the only tax that is both. Even with a VAT there would have to be a way to ensure that the really poor are not overburdened.
Don't know if there's much sense in me trying to say you are/could be wrong to a "tax slave".You probably know a bit more than us average"tax slaves".
I gotta go google stuff to even try to understand (but at least you know i'm listening).
This stuff makes me feel like a monkey pounding on a typewriter with a rock.Apparently our GST is some kind of vat tax.

According to the case Federation of Technological Industries v Customs and Excise Commissioners [2004] EWCA Civ 1020 in 2002-03 the estimated cumulative cost of such frauds to the UK alone was between £1.65 and £2.64 billion (US$2.9 to $4.62).

According to the BBC, "So-called 'missing trader' or 'carousel' fraud is estimated to cost European governments up to £170bn a year - twice the European Union's annual budget."[6]

The fraud has evolved and now can incorporate all high value goods such as designer goods, health products, jewellery etc.A VAT, like most taxes, distorts what would have happened without it. Because the price for someone rises, the quantity of goods traded decreases. Correspondingly, some people are worse off by more than the government is made better off by tax income. That is, more is lost due to supply and demand shifts than is gained in tax. This is known as a deadweight loss. If the income lost by the economy is greater than the government's income; the tax is inefficient. It must be noted that a VAT and a Non-VAT has the same implications on the microeconomic model.

There we go-no wonder you can't get even two economists to agree.Thought strikes me is that nobody knows even govt-so they can keep srewing us lol

Nature provides a basic means, for those who are willing to make an effort, who go out searching to provide for themselves. ;)


Oh wait !!!! That requires effort and intelligence.

Wild animals are smarter then you goreObsessed ;)
Pardon me for interrupting while you feast on his carcass but i am not sure of your mind set.It all seems kinda new agey-natural world to me.(except reaming gore-which he may deserve-)
This is my way of explaining that might resonate with you.
Humans shape the natural world.Once there were millions of buffalo freely roaming-taking care of themselves and prospering.
Native people got everything they needed from them and both prospered. Whites wanted to steal land so got buffalo hunters to kill them close to extinction(*most meat was wasted)
Starving natives was the only/easiest way to destroy stubborn natives(50 caliber Henry rifles-hi-tech new progress) as infecting them with smallpox was at best(pardon the pun-a spotty way of killing).
After that we brought in cattle that today still can't handle our winters,can't find food -so have to be fed-branded as to who owned them(range wars-hanging-fences,private property concepts (lawyers gotta eat along with the real vultures)etc -helped with calving-you get the idea...
Upside was -for all of our hard work-man has turned what was free and healthy into a thriving beef industry-beef can even be sold to remaining Natives,other folk for about $9.00 a pound(watch out for mad cow disease).
So the reason we have to band together is so we can keep an uneasy eye on the new "smart ideas" we come up with.We need a basic income cause like those commercials- we-just like poor in Middle East get kinda ISIS-ey when hungry-Marsha Marsha Marsha-it is never about us.That is why we need a guaranteed annual income!
P S You think this is convoluted -try watching Cliff Claven use buffalo to explain why beer makes us smarter...
 

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Nature provides a basic means, for those who are willing to make an effort, who go out searching to provide for themselves. ;)


Oh wait !!!! That requires effort and intelligence.

Wild animals are smarter then you goreObsessed ;)

lmao, what is this guy talking about?
 

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It is impossible to create an income tax that is both equal and fair. VAT is the only tax that is both. Even with a VAT there would have to be a way to ensure that the really poor are not overburdened.

The usual suspects and other raft of libtards can not conceivably fathom that situation... I does not support or justify the opportunity to demand more entitlements and social services
 

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The usual suspects and other raft of libtards can not conceivably fathom that situation... I does not support or justify the opportunity to demand more entitlements and social services

No one cares what you support chimpbrain, your crab mentality is the problem with society
 

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Boy howdy, he got you good there, Cap! The fact that you're not crouching in the corner weeping and eating Rocky Road ice cream from the carton is a testament to your resiliency and courage. Heck, most folk woulda committed suicide by now.
 

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I think that's what I should be doing after he called me an "angry woman".

You are angry, or perhaps I have misinterpreted some form of extreme discomfort you are experiencing for anger.

Is your vag!na giving you some problems?... You might want to get that checked out

Boy howdy, he got you good there, Cap! The fact that you're not crouching in the corner weeping and eating Rocky Road ice cream from the carton is a testament to your resiliency and courage. Heck, most folk woulda committed suicide by now.

Rocky Road ice cream is tempting at the best of times.
 

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