assaulting a member of the public... I'm sorry, you made it sound like you were pinned, not assaulted. I mustn't have read it thoroughly, I didn't realize it had come to blows. It did sound like you got some especially assholish cops alright. But... well... take a look at some of the videos of the stellar officers coming out of the US, and then try to tell me that it's a Canadian problem. While the law might look more kindly on granny with a gun, the police and the law ARE two separate entities.
85 year old woman stops burglars...
- Thread starter thomaska
- Start date
assaulting a member of the public... I'm sorry, you made it sound like you were pinned, not assaulted. I mustn't have read it thoroughly, I didn't realize it had come to blows. It did sound like you got some especially assholish cops alright. But... well... take a look at some of the videos of the stellar officers coming out of the US, and then try to tell me that it's a Canadian problem. While the law might look more kindly on granny with a gun, the police and the law ARE two separate entities.
I'm sorry if what I said might has mislead to assuming that it came to blows, as it
did not. I was very compliant and allowed myself to be thrown down and pinned as I am a
law abiding citizen and wasn't going to resist until I was able to sort the matter out.
I had a 6" height advantage and about an 80lb weight advantage on this officer, and she
didn't use leverage to an extent that I would have gone down if I decided I wasn't going down.
Her swinging around on my forearm wouldn't have helped the situation much. I complied. Even
with me on my belly and with her knee in my back, I could have gotten up at any time if the
situation warranted it. I use the term assault in that, if I put my hands on you and attempted
to throw you to the ground, I would be guilty of assault. Nothing will come of this and I'm not
going to file a complaint as I understand how the system works.
People like this officer will weed themselves out, in that the next person she attempts this
with may not be law abiding or compliant in respect to her badge. If not the next, then the next,
or the next...
did not. I was very compliant and allowed myself to be thrown down and pinned as I am a
law abiding citizen and wasn't going to resist until I was able to sort the matter out.
I had a 6" height advantage and about an 80lb weight advantage on this officer, and she
didn't use leverage to an extent that I would have gone down if I decided I wasn't going down.
Her swinging around on my forearm wouldn't have helped the situation much. I complied. Even
with me on my belly and with her knee in my back, I could have gotten up at any time if the
situation warranted it. I use the term assault in that, if I put my hands on you and attempted
to throw you to the ground, I would be guilty of assault. Nothing will come of this and I'm not
going to file a complaint as I understand how the system works.
People like this officer will weed themselves out, in that the next person she attempts this
with may not be law abiding or compliant in respect to her badge. If not the next, then the next,
or the next...
I think (even though you may disagree), that the general assumption is that a man who shows up with angry dogs and a pipe in hand is NOT a law abiding citizen like yourself. While you have one thing in your mind regarding how you live your life and how you portray yourself, and you know what is going on in your mind because of the circumstances of the evening, the unfortunate part of being an officer is that they aren't mind readers, and often aren't heading to a scene with enough info. You're right that it will likely end up getting them weeded out. Sad but true.
We'll have to agree to disagree. I find it entirely unlikely that a prosecutor would be stupid enough to lay charges that he couldn't possibly win against someone with no criminal record or intent. I've never heard of it happening in a case like this. The alleged drug dealer was a bit different since his actions actually resulted in a cop's death, but even he was let off. A little old lady who didn't kill anyone doing 2 years in jail? I'd love to see an example of that, but something tells me there isn't one because it's ridiculous.
I find your attitude is a bit like Americans I meet who are convinced that the government is out to get them but protect the "bad" people. It seems like a persecution complex that many conservative talking heads promote (whether it be against Christians, pro-lifers, white people, men, gun owners or whatever). I just don't see the decent majority being so in danger of the law or the government or the cops.
Yeah...I didn't show up anywhere as I was at home. Oh well...and I can see both sides but
this really played out badly. From the badge#'s (high 6's & low 7's) I could tell that these where
both new-ish officers even without their conduct and behavior. Either they'll smarten up or they'll
weed themselves out, or someone will weed them out. I'm sure this would have played out very
differently if a rookie was teamed with a veteran, and not two newbies that where much smaller
that I am. I didn't get a chance to see badge numbers until I was coming up off the ground.
Karrie, I respect your opinion and your perceptions. I learned as a young man to loose the chip
off my shoulder (I think all men get one late in their teenage years) as there was always going
to be someone out their bigger and badder. These two rookies just haven't learned that lesson
yet, and a badge and a gun do not necessarily make anyone bigger and badder.
I do perceive myself as a right leaning (mostly Conservative with some Liberal ideals thrown in),
pro-law enforcement Citizen of Canada. These Officers must not have perceived me in the same
light. Luckily, I bounce very well. No big thing. I did have an unhealthy dose of righteous indignation
last night, but in the light of day, no big thing. I hope these rookies lose their chips off their shoulders
before it costs them their lives, or someone else's. Still, kudos' to Granny!
this really played out badly. From the badge#'s (high 6's & low 7's) I could tell that these where
both new-ish officers even without their conduct and behavior. Either they'll smarten up or they'll
weed themselves out, or someone will weed them out. I'm sure this would have played out very
differently if a rookie was teamed with a veteran, and not two newbies that where much smaller
that I am. I didn't get a chance to see badge numbers until I was coming up off the ground.
Karrie, I respect your opinion and your perceptions. I learned as a young man to loose the chip
off my shoulder (I think all men get one late in their teenage years) as there was always going
to be someone out their bigger and badder. These two rookies just haven't learned that lesson
yet, and a badge and a gun do not necessarily make anyone bigger and badder.
I do perceive myself as a right leaning (mostly Conservative with some Liberal ideals thrown in),
pro-law enforcement Citizen of Canada. These Officers must not have perceived me in the same
light. Luckily, I bounce very well. No big thing. I did have an unhealthy dose of righteous indignation
last night, but in the light of day, no big thing. I hope these rookies lose their chips off their shoulders
before it costs them their lives, or someone else's. Still, kudos' to Granny!
Colpy is correct. I asked my dad tonight(a retired OPP officer) who stated that if she did this in Canada she would most likely get charged. And it would not be the police "out to get her", it would be the inane laws that Canada has with regards to guns. Criminals do not care about the gun registry, or anything else the government cooks up to "lessen crime". It is very sad, but it is true.:-(