8-month-old baby dies in B.C. community where no ambulance was available

[The_Foxer]

8-month-old baby dies in B.C. community where no ambulance was available

An eight-month-old baby died Thursday in a small community in the B.C. Interior. At the time of the death, there was no ambulance service in the town.

bc.ctvnews.ca

I mean - this isn't some remote wilderness area or something. This is pretty close to some major population centers. And this is not the first death where lack of medical care and ambulences or emergency rooms have been suspected of being a factor.

I don't know how BC isn't literally up in arms screaming about something being done about this. Its crazy.. Municipalities like Maple Ridge in the lower mainland are going days with out ambulance services.

 

[Serryah]

8-month-old baby dies in B.C. community where no ambulance was available

An eight-month-old baby died Thursday in a small community in the B.C. Interior. At the time of the death, there was no ambulance service in the town.

bc.ctvnews.ca

I mean - this isn't some remote wilderness area or something. This is pretty close to some major population centers. And this is not the first death where lack of medical care and ambulences or emergency rooms have been suspected of being a factor.

I don't know how BC isn't literally up in arms screaming about something being done about this. Its crazy.. Municipalities like Maple Ridge in the lower mainland are going days with out ambulance services.

It's all part of the health care - and lack there of - issue. Replace the place name and it could'a happened anywhere in my area.

In fact, it has (though not an 8 month old, yet).

Part of it is no paramedics, part of it is, personally, how they changed ambulance services. They got rid of the Saint John Ambulance service that used to help transport patients, transfer them from hospital to hospital or hospital to nursing home/care home, or even the patient's real home, they got rid of regional specific ambulances and instead, at least here, instituted a rotational ambulance service. So you have one or two ambulances per station in an area, but if that ambulance becomes in use, another from another area moves in to cover, and another from another region moves further down to help cover, and so on. The issue is not only paramedics not knowing the area now stationed there, the duration of their stay is questionable. They may be there hours due to offload delays at a hospital, or because the ambo that's supposed to be there is now in the 'circle' and has gone out on another call in an area THEY don't normally work.

The entire thing is meant to save money, supposedly...

 

[The_Foxer]

The entire thing is meant to save money, supposedly...

Well regardless of intent the results are speaking for themselves and pretty much nation wide. It's not even an uncommon story anymore.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Hey, I know we just met
And this is crazy
But take your multicultural tolerance money
And spend it on ambulance service maybe

 

[The_Foxer]

Hey, I know we just met
And this is crazy
But take your multicultural tolerance money
And spend it on ambulance service maybe

Yeah, this is the thing. A gov't needs to focus on the basics before it worries about the luxuries, and right now we're in crisis in Canada with the boomers retiring and the healthcare system failing (yes, they're directly related). That's where our money should go at least until we're not watching people die

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yeah, this is the thing. A gov't needs to focus on the basics before it worries about the luxuries, and right now we're in crisis in Canada with the boomers retiring and the healthcare system failing (yes, they're directly related). That's where our money should go at least until we're not watching people die

And even after that. I'm sorry, but I'll have no truck with "supporting community organizations." Martin Luther King didn't have government support. Neither did Cesar Chavez. Nor Susan B. Anthony (suffragette). It amounts to the government favoring one view over another.

The business of government is to address actions, not thoughts. Make ACTS of discrimination a crime, subject to fines. THOUGHTS of racism, sexism, homophobia, and bigotry, as stupid and misguided as they are, have the same rights as thoughts of multiculturalism, equality, and tolerance.

Thought policing scares me.

 

[The_Foxer]

And even after that. I'm sorry, but I'll have no truck with "supporting community organizations." Martin Luther King didn't have government support. Neither did Cesar Chavez. Nor Susan B. Anthony (suffragette). It amounts to the government favoring one view over another.

I agree. But if others do and they win the vote we can at least consider it at that point. But there is NO excuse for allowing your people to die while you fail to produce the necessaries of life and at the same time put 800 million into lesbian dance theory.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

I agree. But if others do and they win the vote we can at least consider it at that point. But there is NO excuse for allowing your people to die while you fail to produce the necessaries of life and at the same time put 800 million into lesbian dance theory.

That's so obvious that there's no need. . . check that. The need to state that is a tragedy.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Y'know. . . there's a cool American invention called the "helicopter." They're expensive, but I don't recollect anybody saved by one ever bitching about the cost.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Yeah, this is the thing. A gov't needs to focus on the basics before it worries about the luxuries, and right now we're in crisis in Canada with the boomers retiring and the healthcare system failing (yes, they're directly related). That's where our money should go at least until we're not watching people die

My usual response to "Why is the government doing this and not (whatever)" is "Some of us are smart enough to multi-task," but in this case. . . WTF?

Priorities, people.

 

[The_Foxer]

Y'know. . . there's a cool American invention called the "helicopter." They're expensive, but I don't recollect anybody saved by one ever bitching about the cost.

We want nothing to do with your spinning devil birds, Igor Sikorsky was satan's servant, everyone knows that.

Some provinces do use helicopters but lets face it - if we can't keep enough ambulences staffed and on the road there's little chance we'll be able to afford or provision choppers. Worse, the emergency rooms they might take them to are also being shut down. It's a damn mess.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

We want nothing to do with your spinning devil birds, Igor Sikorsky was satan's servant, everyone knows that.

Some provinces do use helicopters but lets face it - if we can't keep enough ambulences staffed and on the road there's little chance we'll be able to afford or provision choppers. Worse, the emergency rooms they might take them to are also being shut down. It's a damn mess.

Seriously, I'd cut loose from Ottawa and get stuck in on some serious emergency management on the provincial or even local level.

Any task force you put on this should have half a dozen emergency responders, half a dozen engineers, four or five managers. . .

And one lawyer. In a separate office.

 

[The_Foxer]

My usual response to "Why is the government doing this and not (whatever)" is "Some of us are smart enough to multi-task," but in this case. . . WTF?

Priorities, people.

It's a wonderful little game of pass the hot potato. The provinces say it's a federal funding issue, nothing they can really do. The feds say it's a provincial provisioning issue, nothing they can really do. The municipalities say it's a provincial health authority issue, nothing they can do, the nurses say it's a work condition related problem, nothing they can do, the hospitals say it's a problem with not enough qualified people to hire, nothing they can do....

it is a hot mess and until the people freak the hell out and demand EVERYBODY do something or get fired next election nothing is going to change.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It's a wonderful little game of pass the hot potato. The provinces say it's a federal funding issue, nothing they can really do. The feds say it's a provincial provisioning issue, nothing they can really do. The municipalities say it's a provincial health authority issue, nothing they can do, the nurses say it's a work condition related problem, nothing they can do, the hospitals say it's a problem with not enough qualified people to hire, nothing they can do....

it is a hot mess and until the people freak the hell out and demand EVERYBODY do something or get fired next election nothing is going to change.

I truly, deeply, honestly hope some politician in your province steps up and says "Fuck it. Let's get stuck in." And does so, effectively and creatively.

If you fail to elect her premier after that, the shame is on you.

They can start with "Pandemic's over. Unvaxxed medical personnel are welcome back. We'll deal with other penalties later (hint, hint, coming back NOW will get you much more sympathetic treatment when we get around to "punishing" you for not being vaxxed).

Seriously, emergencies call for Springsteen's "I've broken all your windows and I've ran through all your doors."

Do illegal shit the Fed doesn't permit. By the time it makes its way through the process, the crisis will be over and you'll have won or lost.

I didn't like Reagan. But I voted for him. He had balls.

 

[The_Foxer]

Seriously, I'd cut loose from Ottawa and get stuck in on some serious emergency management on the provincial or even local level.

Any task force you put on this should have half a dozen emergency responders, half a dozen engineers, four or five managers. . .

And one lawyer. In a separate office.

Well some are moving that way but then the feds get involved again. Ontario wants to look at having the private sector build the facilities they can't afford to right now and staff them with the understanding the province will pay for each patient, no private medicine (as defined by the health act).

But the federal ndp hates that and the fed libs don't like it. Public provisioning is a bit of a sacred cow with their bases. So there's resistance and plans must be run by them etc etc. And of course it makes a wonderful scapegoat for provinces who want to LOOK like they were 'trying something' but the 'evil feds' stopped them.

Some provinces are doing things that will probably make things a little better but this problem is WAAAAAY too deep to be solved by the provinces alone - it's going to take everyone. The feds working on the immigration front with the provinces working on the qualifications recognition front with PPP's to build facilities and combined funding etc.

 

[The_Foxer]

I truly, deeply, honestly hope some politician in your province steps up and says "Fuck it. Let's get stuck in." And does so, effectively and creatively.

If you fail to elect her premier after that, the shame is on you.

They can start with "Pandemic's over. Unvaxxed medical personnel are welcome back. We'll deal with other penalties later (hint, hint, coming back NOW will get you much more sympathetic treatment when we get around to "punishing" you for not being vaxxed).

Seriously, emergencies call for Springsteen's "I've broken all your windows and I've ran through all your doors."

Do illegal shit the Fed doesn't permit. By the time it makes its way through the process, the crisis will be over and you'll have won or lost.

I didn't like Reagan. But I voted for him. He had balls.

Well BC has done that before - and i suspect the next opposition leader will run his next election on that to a large degree. But that's just one province.

The problem is the federal tax levels were set with the fact they'd transfer funds in mind. The provinces can't just arbitrarily raise their own taxes enough to make up for that or business will flee. The feds are going to have to pony up a little

 

[Serryah]

I truly, deeply, honestly hope some politician in your province steps up and says "Fuck it. Let's get stuck in." And does so, effectively and creatively.

If you fail to elect her premier after that, the shame is on you.

They can start with "Pandemic's over. Unvaxxed medical personnel are welcome back. We'll deal with other penalties later (hint, hint, coming back NOW will get you much more sympathetic treatment when we get around to "punishing" you for not being vaxxed).

Seriously, emergencies call for Springsteen's "I've broken all your windows and I've ran through all your doors."

Do illegal shit the Fed doesn't permit. By the time it makes its way through the process, the crisis will be over and you'll have won or lost.

I didn't like Reagan. But I voted for him. He had balls.

So this is the response to this weekend's clusterfuk in NB. Basically, only one hospital was available 24 hours on Friday night between the NS border and the middle of the province.

This is from the Greens; Megan Mitton is my local MLA and she's been amazing. Personally I hope more Greens take hold next election. The idea of bridging education is a good one but needs to go to more than just docs and nurses, IMO. But it's a start for the important stuff at least.


August 29, 2022

FREDERICTON – In light of Horizon’s Saint John and Moncton emergency rooms being restricted to individuals with limb- or life-threatening medical needs over the weekend, Green Party leader David Coon and Green caucus health critic Megan Mitton say that Premier Higgs needs to urgently act on implementing the recommendations of Fredericton ER doctor Dr. Yogi Sehgal. On August 10, Dr. Sehgal sent several recommendations to Premier Higgs, Minister Fitch and the regional health authorities after consulting with other frontline staff and patients.

“Last week Premier Higgs praised Dr. Sehgal for the recommendations he presented without saying whether he would actually implement them,” said Coon. “The solutions are already there. It’s time for the Premier to act.”

Dr. Sehgal’s recommendations include facilitating and paying for training opportunities for physician assistants, and for licensed practical nurses to become registered nurses, registered nurses to become nurse practitioners, paramedics to become advanced care paramedics. Another recommendation is to move primary healthcare out of the emergency department by offering direct access through primary care clinics.

“We need medical professionals to be able to work within their full scope of practice to use their skills to better serve their patients,” said Mitton. “However, many healthcare workers can’t simply afford to take time off to pursue further education. This is where Minister Holder needs to step in and ensure training is accessible for everyone who wants to improve their skills.”

 

[pgs]

So this is the response to this weekend's clusterfuk in NB. Basically, only one hospital was available 24 hours on Friday night between the NS border and the middle of the province.

This is from the Greens; Megan Mitton is my local MLA and she's been amazing. Personally I hope more Greens take hold next election. The idea of bridging education is a good one but needs to go to more than just docs and nurses, IMO. But it's a start for the important stuff at least.


August 29, 2022

FREDERICTON – In light of Horizon’s Saint John and Moncton emergency rooms being restricted to individuals with limb- or life-threatening medical needs over the weekend, Green Party leader David Coon and Green caucus health critic Megan Mitton say that Premier Higgs needs to urgently act on implementing the recommendations of Fredericton ER doctor Dr. Yogi Sehgal. On August 10, Dr. Sehgal sent several recommendations to Premier Higgs, Minister Fitch and the regional health authorities after consulting with other frontline staff and patients.

“Last week Premier Higgs praised Dr. Sehgal for the recommendations he presented without saying whether he would actually implement them,” said Coon. “The solutions are already there. It’s time for the Premier to act.”

Dr. Sehgal’s recommendations include facilitating and paying for training opportunities for physician assistants, and for licensed practical nurses to become registered nurses, registered nurses to become nurse practitioners, paramedics to become advanced care paramedics. Another recommendation is to move primary healthcare out of the emergency department by offering direct access through primary care clinics.

“We need medical professionals to be able to work within their full scope of practice to use their skills to better serve their patients,” said Mitton. “However, many healthcare workers can’t simply afford to take time off to pursue further education. This is where Minister Holder needs to step in and ensure training is accessible for everyone who wants to improve their skills.”

Why though does no one want to mention the nurses and other health care workers who have been laid off or fired for refusing the jab ?

 

[The_Foxer]

Why though does no one want to mention the nurses and other health care workers who have been laid off or fired for refusing the jab ?

Plenty mention it... but the left doesn't like to acknowledge it. 50 doctors in bc paid for a billboard saying "we can go back to work tomorrow, let us help" and the gov't is silent. The media doesn't mention it much either

 

[pgs]

Plenty mention it... but the left doesn't like to acknowledge it. 50 doctors in bc paid for a billboard saying "we can go back to work tomorrow, let us help" and the gov't is silent. The media doesn't mention it much either

Never . And their unions did nothing to protect them . Sad .