2016 Presidential Campaign

hillary rodham clinton vs donald john trump who will win?

  • hillary rodham clinton

    Votes: 12 40.0%
  • donald john trump

    Votes: 18 60.0%

  • Total voters
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JLM

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I don't care what his deplorables (and if they don't cut and run they are deplorable) say, not all men are like Trump, it's insulting to men. He is a self-entitled creepy guy. How many men assault women sitting next to them on planes !! It's uncivilized.

It's certainly beginning to look that way but the situation being quite different from the norm, I'm not sure that it's reached the point of being beyond reasonable doubt. For instance and it's probably a fairly slim chance, would you change your mind about him if you found all the complaining women were friends of Hillary?

Sorry if I spelt a made up word wrong .


No worries, Old Bones thinks a lot of people are dumb. :)

You think I revere JFK?


If you haven't read it, an interesting book is "The Last Brother" by Joe Maginnis (sp?)
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Sorry if I spelt a made up word wrong .
It wasn't wrong, it was simply not as good as it could have been.

I calculate that's pretty much the story of your life.






Meanwhile, back on the campaign trail. . .

Four women accused Donald Trump of groping or kissing them without their consent in news reports published Wednesday, just days after the Republican presidential nominee insisted in a debate that he had never engaged in such behavior.
One of the women alleges that Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt during a flight more than three decades ago, the New York Times reported. Another says he kissed her on the mouth outside an elevator in 2005, according to the same report. A third woman says Trump groped her rear end at his Mar-a-Lago resort 13 years ago, the Palm Beach Post reported. The fourth, then a People magazine reporter, says Trump kissed her without her consent when the two were alone in 2005 right before an interview she was about to conduct with Trump and his wife.
Trump and his campaign denied the allegations. But in each of the first three instances, the newspapers spoke to people close to the women — a universe that includes friends, family members, significant others and colleagues — who verified that they told them their stories about what they say happened months or years ago. In the fourth, the reporter wrote a detailed first person account of what she says happened on People's website.
The GOP presidential nominee was considering filing a lawsuit against the Times and was consulting with advisers about his legal options, according to two people close to him. The two people, who requested anonymity to discuss private conversations, said Trump is furious about the accusations made against him in the story and with the newspaper for publishing them.
Early Thursday morning, Trump's campaign released a letter from attorney Marc E. Kasowitz demanding a retraction from the Times. "Failure to do so will leave my client with no option but to pursue all available actions and remedies," it said. The letter was addressed to Times executive editor Dean Baquet.
In a statement issued by his campaign shortly after the Times report was published, spokesman Jason Miller said, “This entire article is fiction.” Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told the Palm Beach Post "there is no truth" to the third allegation. Hicks denied the fourth account in a statement, saying it "never happened."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/12/two-women-accuse-trump-of-unwanted-sexual-touching/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_trumpassault-8pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


But remember the Trump Rules, kiddies: It's proper and correct to use allegations of sexual misconduct and crimes by Bill Clinton against Hillary Clinton, but wrong to use allegations of sexual misconduct and crimes by Donald Trump against Donald Trump.
 

pgs

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It wasn't wrong, it was simply not as good as it could have been.

I calculate that's pretty much the story of your life.






Meanwhile, back on the campaign trail. . .

Four women accused Donald Trump of groping or kissing them without their consent in news reports published Wednesday, just days after the Republican presidential nominee insisted in a debate that he had never engaged in such behavior.
One of the women alleges that Trump grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt during a flight more than three decades ago, the New York Times reported. Another says he kissed her on the mouth outside an elevator in 2005, according to the same report. A third woman says Trump groped her rear end at his Mar-a-Lago resort 13 years ago, the Palm Beach Post reported. The fourth, then a People magazine reporter, says Trump kissed her without her consent when the two were alone in 2005 right before an interview she was about to conduct with Trump and his wife.
Trump and his campaign denied the allegations. But in each of the first three instances, the newspapers spoke to people close to the women — a universe that includes friends, family members, significant others and colleagues — who verified that they told them their stories about what they say happened months or years ago. In the fourth, the reporter wrote a detailed first person account of what she says happened on People's website.
The GOP presidential nominee was considering filing a lawsuit against the Times and was consulting with advisers about his legal options, according to two people close to him. The two people, who requested anonymity to discuss private conversations, said Trump is furious about the accusations made against him in the story and with the newspaper for publishing them.
Early Thursday morning, Trump's campaign released a letter from attorney Marc E. Kasowitz demanding a retraction from the Times. "Failure to do so will leave my client with no option but to pursue all available actions and remedies," it said. The letter was addressed to Times executive editor Dean Baquet.
In a statement issued by his campaign shortly after the Times report was published, spokesman Jason Miller said, “This entire article is fiction.” Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told the Palm Beach Post "there is no truth" to the third allegation. Hicks denied the fourth account in a statement, saying it "never happened."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/12/two-women-accuse-trump-of-unwanted-sexual-touching/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_trumpassault-8pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory


But remember the Trump Rules, kiddies: It's proper and correct to use allegations of sexual misconduct and crimes by Bill Clinton against Hillary Clinton, but wrong to use allegations of sexual misconduct and crimes by Donald Trump against Donald Trump.
Certainly I could have been an internet lawyer like you . Sadly I cannot hold a candle to your stellar light .
 

JLM

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I don't care what his deplorables (and if they don't cut and run they are deplorable) say, not all men are like Trump, it's insulting to men. He is a self-entitled creepy guy. How many men assault women sitting next to them on planes !! It's uncivilized.


Besides being criminal!
 

davesmom

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More controversy, yikes !! he sat next to a women; a stranger on a plane and shoved his hand up her skirt!! Just like that!! he's a pervert, who does that?



Oh yeah, I watched that woman giving her account of what happened 35 years ago.
How is the word of this woman (and many more) more believable than Trump's word?
- If a stranger sat beside her on a plane and proceeded to grope her, what was she doing about it ?Did she call the
flight attendant and request another seat? Did she loudly protest and cause a ruckus? If she had there would have
been more to report on the story.
I would think she would have reacted to his approach long before he ever got his hand under her skirt!


- Possibly and more likely, it's this woman's first and only chance to get her face on national tv.


Sorry folks, I haven't much faith in women who come forward with complaints like this after year have gone by.
"Speak now or forever hold your peace"!
You either deal with a situation when it occurs or move on.


These accusations against Trump that are surfacing at this opportune time are highly suspicious. Russia couldn't possibly come up with such damaging but silly accusations as the Democrat campaign is coming up with.
 

davesmom

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The gossip mongering is totally frivolous. With the election looming and so many more important issues on the line it is a disservice to the country for the media to make Trump's character its main focus.


Americans had JFK and Clinton (and how many others) with nasty sexual escapades in their past for President. Did it affect how they led the country? The issues of leadership and personal past indiscretions are two separate matters which do not have to interfere with each other.


It would be ideal if public figures set good examples and kept themselves above reproach but they don't. And people accept that. Unless it is Donald Trump. Or probably any Republican candidate, at this pc point in time.


With the election deadline looming it seems highly irresponsible to focus wholly on character and ignore the more important issues. Surely the media could spare a little more time dissecting Clinton's reckless handling of e-mails and the content of those e-mails which reveal plans contrary to those she is campaigning on.


I think that since everyone loves to hash over a scandal, the serious matters of the country's future have been ignored in favor of tv ratings.
Shame on the media!. And shame on the public for not demanding better!
 

Corduroy

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Some 14 year olds are girls and some 14 year olds are women, so I think before the word "pedophile" is bandied about you might want to find out which kind of 14 year old she was!

Wow, I knew you'd say something silly to defend Trump but I never expected you to defend pedophilia. Is that how sick this election has made you?

Yep, Trump is a little quirky,

If by quirky you mean spies on naked teenage girls.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Wow, I knew you'd say something silly to defend Trump but I never expected you to defend pedophilia. Is that how sick this election has made you?



If by quirky you mean spies on naked teenage girls.
He's like the creepy little 12-year-old brother who spies on girls. That gig is a little past it's sell-by date.
 

Corduroy

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How is the word of this woman (and many more) more believable than Trump's word?

For one, Trump is a serial liar. Few people are less believable.

He's like the creepy little 12-year-old brother who spies on girls. That gig is a little past it's sell-by date.

That's Trump's excuse for the Access Hollywood tape. He was young and immature. And the craven Trump lovers repeated it. So why not that? Yeah teenage boys might want to spy on teenage girls, so Trump would too because he has the maturity of a child. As JLM would probably say, if you don't like that Trump is a pedo, you need to grow up!
 

TenPenny

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The gossip mongering is totally frivolous. With the election looming and so many more important issues on the line it is a disservice to the country for the media to make Trump's character its main focus.



Then it would make sense for Trump to focus on some of these many more important issues, wouldn't it?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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For one, Trump is a serial liar. Few people are less believable.



That's Trump's excuse for the Access Hollywood tape. He was young and immature. And the craven Trump lovers repeated it. So why not that? Yeah teenage boys might want to spy on teenage girls, so Trump would too because he has the maturity of a child. As JLM would probably say, if you don't like that Trump is a pedo, you need to grow up!
I'll buy "immature," but "young" is a bit of a stretch. He was crowding 60.