Re: 2 British men arrested last week because they were Musli
If my son had 80 large in cash in the house, I'd shoot him myself! :wink:
#juan said:
If my son had 80 large in cash in the house, I'd shoot him myself! :wink:
2 British men arrested last week because they were Muslim
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Re: 2 British men arrested last week because they were Musli
Kelvin MacKenzie
The Sun
22nd June 2005
I'm still puzzled by the suitcase full of readies.
My eyebrows started twitching in an alarming way. The more I read about the 38,000 pounds in cash found in the anti-terror raid on the Muslim brothers, the more puzzled I became.
I think we're all agreed that 38,000 pounds is a lot of money ( around US$69,500 and Can$77,600).
A lot of money to be kept in a suitcase.
A lot of money to be kept in a basement. A lot of money to be kept in 50 pound notes.
Why on earth would you have that lot stashed away, especially in a run-down area like Forest Gate in East London?
And it was the explanation that really raised my eyebrows.
The sister of the two brothers who were held int he police operation said that most of the money was her mother's.
It came from four years' rent from the house next door, plus some of the brothers' monthly wages.
And the reason it didn't go in the bank? The sister said Islam prohibits the keeping of money in circumstances where interest is paid or earned.
No it doesn't.
Sharia law is very flexible. Putting aside that there is an Islamic bank down the road in Whitechapel, Muslims can put their money in the bank, but the interest is supposed to be given away to the poor. In Egypt, they deal with it in a different way, the interest is called profit and it is paid as a dividend.
My friend the Imam tells me that "Sharia" means "path", it is a direction, not an order.
For instance, Muslims are not suppsoed to eat pork, but if they were dying of hunger in the desert and all that was available was a pig, that would be fine.
It's the same with Ramadan. It's supposed to be a month of fasting but if you're old and frail then of course you're allowed to eat.
So that brings me back to the 38,000 pounds. My friend the Imam says that he does not know one single Muslim family that would keep that kind of cash in the house.
And he says in his quiet but intelligent way: "That would be a very dangerous thing to do."
He could understand three or four hundred pounds - but thousands - never.
There may not be anything sinister about that 38k but it is a puzzle, isn't it?!?!
thesun.co.uk
Kelvin MacKenzie
The Sun
22nd June 2005
I'm still puzzled by the suitcase full of readies.
My eyebrows started twitching in an alarming way. The more I read about the 38,000 pounds in cash found in the anti-terror raid on the Muslim brothers, the more puzzled I became.
I think we're all agreed that 38,000 pounds is a lot of money ( around US$69,500 and Can$77,600).
A lot of money to be kept in a suitcase.
A lot of money to be kept in a basement. A lot of money to be kept in 50 pound notes.
Why on earth would you have that lot stashed away, especially in a run-down area like Forest Gate in East London?
And it was the explanation that really raised my eyebrows.
The sister of the two brothers who were held int he police operation said that most of the money was her mother's.
It came from four years' rent from the house next door, plus some of the brothers' monthly wages.
And the reason it didn't go in the bank? The sister said Islam prohibits the keeping of money in circumstances where interest is paid or earned.
No it doesn't.
Sharia law is very flexible. Putting aside that there is an Islamic bank down the road in Whitechapel, Muslims can put their money in the bank, but the interest is supposed to be given away to the poor. In Egypt, they deal with it in a different way, the interest is called profit and it is paid as a dividend.
My friend the Imam tells me that "Sharia" means "path", it is a direction, not an order.
For instance, Muslims are not suppsoed to eat pork, but if they were dying of hunger in the desert and all that was available was a pig, that would be fine.
It's the same with Ramadan. It's supposed to be a month of fasting but if you're old and frail then of course you're allowed to eat.
So that brings me back to the 38,000 pounds. My friend the Imam says that he does not know one single Muslim family that would keep that kind of cash in the house.
And he says in his quiet but intelligent way: "That would be a very dangerous thing to do."
He could understand three or four hundred pounds - but thousands - never.
There may not be anything sinister about that 38k but it is a puzzle, isn't it?!?!
thesun.co.uk
RE: 2 British men arrested last week because they were Musli
Of course i'm not going to say that ALL Muslims embody what I said. However, whilst in Afghanistan, I dealt with Muslims at lenght for months. And while they are decent, respectful, and traditionally orientated people, they've grown up living a life of having to lie and steal to survive. It has become socially acceptable to them. Those traits have then since been passed down to their children and grand children. Can I really fault them for it? No, not in the grand scheme of things. However, it is a problem in Western society, when a family moves from the Middle East, and still tries to embody the ideals they had in another nation, in this Country that clearly doesn't find said ideals socially acceptable.
Of course i'm not going to say that ALL Muslims embody what I said. However, whilst in Afghanistan, I dealt with Muslims at lenght for months. And while they are decent, respectful, and traditionally orientated people, they've grown up living a life of having to lie and steal to survive. It has become socially acceptable to them. Those traits have then since been passed down to their children and grand children. Can I really fault them for it? No, not in the grand scheme of things. However, it is a problem in Western society, when a family moves from the Middle East, and still tries to embody the ideals they had in another nation, in this Country that clearly doesn't find said ideals socially acceptable.
Re: 2 British men arrested last week because they were Musli
If my son had that much of cash, I would take it and go to vacation. :lol:
Just the Facts said:
If my son had that much of cash, I would take it and go to vacation. :lol:
Re: RE: 2 British men arrested last week because they were M
Listen chicken-bastard, no proof shows that alquada is behind 9-11, even fbi doesnt even say this, here is the link http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html so far, all evidence shows there was an inside job, same for the london , even on fox news they talked about it, here is the link http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Aug05/020805Aswat.html. so instead of spreading your fear-stupidity-bastard, you should at least look for evidence.
Blackleaf said:
Listen chicken-bastard, no proof shows that alquada is behind 9-11, even fbi doesnt even say this, here is the link http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html so far, all evidence shows there was an inside job, same for the london , even on fox news they talked about it, here is the link http://www.infowars.net/Pages/Aug05/020805Aswat.html. so instead of spreading your fear-stupidity-bastard, you should at least look for evidence.
Re: RE: 2 British men arrested last week because they were M
HAHAHAHAHA....Other than the leader of Alquida ...You may of heard of him...Osama bin liden....yea...he claimed responsabliity for it.....aeon said:
RE: 2 British men arrested last week because they were Musli
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml
Here's a link if you need it.
and another
http://www.news10.net/storyfull.asp?id=8415
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml
Here's a link if you need it.
and another
http://www.news10.net/storyfull.asp?id=8415
Re: RE: 2 British men arrested last week because they were M
Lol, of course, you believe this,but strangly, according to fbi web site, oussama is left-handed, on this video brought by us officials in november 2001, sudenly oussama is right-handed, not only this, but he also wear a golden ring, which is highly forbiden by orthodox islam.
also check this..
Also, right after 9-11, oussama denied to be involved on 2 occasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oussama_bin_Laden
David Rockefeller(great bush family friend) Statement to the United Nations Business Council in September 1994:
""We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. ""
EastSideScotian said:
Lol, of course, you believe this,but strangly, according to fbi web site, oussama is left-handed, on this video brought by us officials in november 2001, sudenly oussama is right-handed, not only this, but he also wear a golden ring, which is highly forbiden by orthodox islam.
also check this..
Also, right after 9-11, oussama denied to be involved on 2 occasions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oussama_bin_Laden
David Rockefeller(great bush family friend) Statement to the United Nations Business Council in September 1994:
""We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order. ""
Re: RE: 2 British men arrested last week because they were M
You really need to stop posting. Regardless of the topic, you are always blabbering about these conspiracies of yours. Do Canada a favour and give up your citizenship. Seek out Osama, share your feelings with him. I am sure he would enjoy your company.
aeon said:
You really need to stop posting. Regardless of the topic, you are always blabbering about these conspiracies of yours. Do Canada a favour and give up your citizenship. Seek out Osama, share your feelings with him. I am sure he would enjoy your company.
Re: RE: 2 British men arrested last week because they were M
I didnt bring it, someone ask for it, and do to human being a favor, if you have nothing to ad up, then save some web space for people who are interested to know the truth.
DurkaDurka said:
I didnt bring it, someone ask for it, and do to human being a favor, if you have nothing to ad up, then save some web space for people who are interested to know the truth.
Re: 2 British men arrested last week because they were Musli
Aeon, 99.9% of the population has no desire to hear your crap. You highjack just about every thread with your conspiracy bullshit.
Aeon, 99.9% of the population has no desire to hear your crap. You highjack just about every thread with your conspiracy bullshit.
Re: 2 British men arrested last week because they were Musli
This was written by Littlejohn in his Daily Mail column a week after the Forest Gate raids.
He always tells it straight.
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The REAL intelligence failure of forest gate
By RICHARD LITTLEJOHN
9th June 2006
Some of the police involved in the raid
A week on, we're still none the wiser, though we can probably agree that using 300 police officers to raid one terrace house in East London was a bit over the top.
Let's start from the premise that the two young men arrested in Forest Gate are innocent and then take it from there.
What marked this raid out from dozens of others was the sheer scale of the operation and the fact that a gun went off, injuring one of the suspects, fortunately not fatally.
The police must have had good reason to steam in team-handed. When it comes to the terrorist threat, I'm always prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
In this case, it seems the intelligence was well wide of the crease. But at least we can understand why it was given credibility.
It's less than a year since four young Muslim men blew themselves up on the London transport system, killing 52 innocent passengers and wounding hundreds more.
A couple of months ago, a crowd of foaming Muslims marched through London preaching death and hatred, praising the 7/ 7 bombers and threatening another attack in Britain in a spurious, manufactured fit of fury over a couple of Danish cartoons no one had seen.
Among that vile mob was the older brother of the men arrested in Forest Gate. He was on day-release from prison at the time.
We are told that the two brothers now in police custody had become 'radicalised' after 9/ 11, grew beards, adopted extreme Islamic dress and were fond of spouting jihad against the West.
Growing a beard is not yet a hanging offence, though give John Reid a chance. But it's fair to say they had put themselves on offer.
No one has yet explained to my satisfaction quite how someone becomes 'radicalised' after a major terrorist atrocity. Surely it should be just the opposite.
It's as if someone who had led a normal life up until the Moors murders suddenly decided it would be a good idea to start murdering children.
Try looking at it from the police's point of view. They get a tip-off that two men well-known for extreme Islamist views, whose jailbird brother recently took part in a march promising a re-run of a major terrorist attack on London, are making a chemical weapon.
What the hell are they supposed to do? Steer clear for fear of upsetting the 'community'? Take a chance that one or both of these lunatics straps on a suicide belt and detonates it on the District Line?
Maybe the raid could have been carried out with more tact and less overkill, but it had to happen.
It's a pity that someone got shot, but the police had every right to go in carrying arms. No one died here.
Cast your mind back to another police raid on a suspected chemical weapons factory in Manchester in 2003. On that occasion, they were unarmed and Det Con Stephen Oake paid with his life — stabbed to death by a terrorist. Should the Met have taken the same chance?
Of course not. And they had to go in early because, if you remember, the 7/ 7 bombers were on the road well before dawn.
Since the Forest Gate operation, we have been bombarded with claim and counter claim. Cutting through it hasn't been easy. If the raid was over the top, the reaction to it has been absurd, inconsistent and incoherent.
First we're told that the 4am knock on the door woke the family up. Then we're asked to believe that, actually, the police disturbed 'morning prayers'.
Yeah, right.
Speaking of the family, the rest of them all went off on holiday to Mauritius the following day. As you do.
Ask yourself this: if two of your sons were being held by police on terrorist charges — one of them with a gunshot wound — would you pack up your bucket and spade and head off to sunnier climes?
Precisely.
Assorted 'friends' and 'community leaders' have been given free rein by our friends in the rolling news media. At one stage, Sky News seemed literally to be stopping Muslims in the street and inviting them to slag off the police. The local BBC news this week has been one long catalogue of Muslim grievances.
On Sky, two alleged 'friends' of the men arrested were interviewed. Well, I say 'interviewed'. They were given a platform to rant and rave unchallenged. One of these 'friends' was hooded, the other was wearing an intifada headscarf, and they were filmed from behind to protect their identity. They could have been anybody.
Before sharing his view of the world with us, one of them chanted an Islamic prayer. At the very least, it hinted that this 'friend' might have a broader agenda.
How many Christians have you ever seen on television treating us to a quick rendition of The Lord Is My Shepherd before answering a question?
Into the middle of this circus strode a stern woman from the police complaints committee, holding an impromptu press conference on the cobbles and by implication giving the impression that one or more police officers had committed a crime.
Then, right on cue, along came a shambling, self-righteous posse from the Muslim Council, led by a man who appeared to be wearing a ginger wig over grey sideburns. He looked a bit like Spike Milligan. I knew what he was going to say, so I switched over to the cricket.
Ever since 9/11, peace-loving 'moderate' Muslim leaders have never missed a chance to exploit any atrocity or police raid on suspected terrorists to advance their cause.
(Incidentally, there were 14 full-scale drugs raids across Britain this week. I don't recall leaders of the 'drug-taking community' being invited on TV to rubbish the Old Bill.)
We've even had that dopey Geordie bird from George Galloway's militant Islam/ SWP alliance party — last seen astride a donkey in Afghanistan — calling on Muslims to boycott the police. The burqa suits you, pet.
Even the new caring-sharing Tories are getting in on the act, with home affairs spokesman Dominic Grieve criticising the police in The Independent and warning of growing tensions in the 'community'.
For heaven's sake, get a grip.
The only good news in all of this is that the 'community' itself seems to have been singularly unimpressed by attempts to stir it up into a frenzy.
The people of Forest Gate appear to have accepted with good humour that these things happen and have gone about their daily business; shopping, working, kicking footballs around in the street.
After a week of madness, they're the only ones who haven't gone completely over the top.
dailymail.co.uk
This was written by Littlejohn in his Daily Mail column a week after the Forest Gate raids.
He always tells it straight.
-----------------------------------------------
The REAL intelligence failure of forest gate
By RICHARD LITTLEJOHN
9th June 2006
Some of the police involved in the raid
A week on, we're still none the wiser, though we can probably agree that using 300 police officers to raid one terrace house in East London was a bit over the top.
Let's start from the premise that the two young men arrested in Forest Gate are innocent and then take it from there.
What marked this raid out from dozens of others was the sheer scale of the operation and the fact that a gun went off, injuring one of the suspects, fortunately not fatally.
The police must have had good reason to steam in team-handed. When it comes to the terrorist threat, I'm always prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
In this case, it seems the intelligence was well wide of the crease. But at least we can understand why it was given credibility.
It's less than a year since four young Muslim men blew themselves up on the London transport system, killing 52 innocent passengers and wounding hundreds more.
A couple of months ago, a crowd of foaming Muslims marched through London preaching death and hatred, praising the 7/ 7 bombers and threatening another attack in Britain in a spurious, manufactured fit of fury over a couple of Danish cartoons no one had seen.
Among that vile mob was the older brother of the men arrested in Forest Gate. He was on day-release from prison at the time.
We are told that the two brothers now in police custody had become 'radicalised' after 9/ 11, grew beards, adopted extreme Islamic dress and were fond of spouting jihad against the West.
Growing a beard is not yet a hanging offence, though give John Reid a chance. But it's fair to say they had put themselves on offer.
No one has yet explained to my satisfaction quite how someone becomes 'radicalised' after a major terrorist atrocity. Surely it should be just the opposite.
It's as if someone who had led a normal life up until the Moors murders suddenly decided it would be a good idea to start murdering children.
Try looking at it from the police's point of view. They get a tip-off that two men well-known for extreme Islamist views, whose jailbird brother recently took part in a march promising a re-run of a major terrorist attack on London, are making a chemical weapon.
What the hell are they supposed to do? Steer clear for fear of upsetting the 'community'? Take a chance that one or both of these lunatics straps on a suicide belt and detonates it on the District Line?
Maybe the raid could have been carried out with more tact and less overkill, but it had to happen.
It's a pity that someone got shot, but the police had every right to go in carrying arms. No one died here.
Cast your mind back to another police raid on a suspected chemical weapons factory in Manchester in 2003. On that occasion, they were unarmed and Det Con Stephen Oake paid with his life — stabbed to death by a terrorist. Should the Met have taken the same chance?
Of course not. And they had to go in early because, if you remember, the 7/ 7 bombers were on the road well before dawn.
Since the Forest Gate operation, we have been bombarded with claim and counter claim. Cutting through it hasn't been easy. If the raid was over the top, the reaction to it has been absurd, inconsistent and incoherent.
First we're told that the 4am knock on the door woke the family up. Then we're asked to believe that, actually, the police disturbed 'morning prayers'.
Yeah, right.
Speaking of the family, the rest of them all went off on holiday to Mauritius the following day. As you do.
Ask yourself this: if two of your sons were being held by police on terrorist charges — one of them with a gunshot wound — would you pack up your bucket and spade and head off to sunnier climes?
Precisely.
Assorted 'friends' and 'community leaders' have been given free rein by our friends in the rolling news media. At one stage, Sky News seemed literally to be stopping Muslims in the street and inviting them to slag off the police. The local BBC news this week has been one long catalogue of Muslim grievances.
On Sky, two alleged 'friends' of the men arrested were interviewed. Well, I say 'interviewed'. They were given a platform to rant and rave unchallenged. One of these 'friends' was hooded, the other was wearing an intifada headscarf, and they were filmed from behind to protect their identity. They could have been anybody.
Before sharing his view of the world with us, one of them chanted an Islamic prayer. At the very least, it hinted that this 'friend' might have a broader agenda.
How many Christians have you ever seen on television treating us to a quick rendition of The Lord Is My Shepherd before answering a question?
Into the middle of this circus strode a stern woman from the police complaints committee, holding an impromptu press conference on the cobbles and by implication giving the impression that one or more police officers had committed a crime.
Then, right on cue, along came a shambling, self-righteous posse from the Muslim Council, led by a man who appeared to be wearing a ginger wig over grey sideburns. He looked a bit like Spike Milligan. I knew what he was going to say, so I switched over to the cricket.
Ever since 9/11, peace-loving 'moderate' Muslim leaders have never missed a chance to exploit any atrocity or police raid on suspected terrorists to advance their cause.
(Incidentally, there were 14 full-scale drugs raids across Britain this week. I don't recall leaders of the 'drug-taking community' being invited on TV to rubbish the Old Bill.)
We've even had that dopey Geordie bird from George Galloway's militant Islam/ SWP alliance party — last seen astride a donkey in Afghanistan — calling on Muslims to boycott the police. The burqa suits you, pet.
Even the new caring-sharing Tories are getting in on the act, with home affairs spokesman Dominic Grieve criticising the police in The Independent and warning of growing tensions in the 'community'.
For heaven's sake, get a grip.
The only good news in all of this is that the 'community' itself seems to have been singularly unimpressed by attempts to stir it up into a frenzy.
The people of Forest Gate appear to have accepted with good humour that these things happen and have gone about their daily business; shopping, working, kicking footballs around in the street.
After a week of madness, they're the only ones who haven't gone completely over the top.
dailymail.co.uk