10 Marines killed near Falluja
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I just got a news brief (e-mail) that bush knew about the dead marines when he made some speach today.......and did not even mention anything ...during his "speech". That is callous, cold , indifferent and totally selfish. as it suggests that he will bring that up when it will play well for him.
( fecking SOB)
and the world has THREE fecking more yrs of this...... :evil: :roll: It will be a llllllllllllllong three yrs.
( fecking SOB)
and the world has THREE fecking more yrs of this...... :evil: :roll: It will be a llllllllllllllong three yrs.
Re: RE: 10 Marines killed nea
oh heck........the chap is a "walking syndrome" :wink: Just throw the whole DSM at him and one has it covered. :x
moghrabi said:
oh heck........the chap is a "walking syndrome" :wink: Just throw the whole DSM at him and one has it covered. :x
RE: 10 Marines killed nea
Man it is scarey to think what bushie will do by the end of his term. I wonder what fights he will pick? Very very scarey indeed just thinking of it.
Man it is scarey to think what bushie will do by the end of his term. I wonder what fights he will pick? Very very scarey indeed just thinking of it.
Re: RE: 10 Marines killed nea
the only "saving grace"....( :roll: ) might be , is if the crimes become even more blatant and the US population comes out of its stupor and starts screaming. Gotta hand one thing to the Americans ..........they are very good screamers when they get going. When the proverbial sh** hits the fan .......it might keep the bush/caveman at bay. He will be too busy dodging his own bullits .......so to speak.
neocon-hunter said:
the only "saving grace"....( :roll: ) might be , is if the crimes become even more blatant and the US population comes out of its stupor and starts screaming. Gotta hand one thing to the Americans ..........they are very good screamers when they get going. When the proverbial sh** hits the fan .......it might keep the bush/caveman at bay. He will be too busy dodging his own bullits .......so to speak.
RE: 10 Marines killed nea
It amazes me how they have not come out of their stupour though. So many still support W the weasel and the Bush Crime Family. But it is slowley changing.
Any other world leader to do what "W" has done would of been branded a dictator, human rights abuser and have UN sanctions placed against them and of course "W" threatning to invade unless they were bought off aka a puppet government.
It amazes me how they have not come out of their stupour though. So many still support W the weasel and the Bush Crime Family. But it is slowley changing.
Any other world leader to do what "W" has done would of been branded a dictator, human rights abuser and have UN sanctions placed against them and of course "W" threatning to invade unless they were bought off aka a puppet government.
can't you just imagine the US response to another nation doing what it has done ??? Bush regime would be screaming like a stuck /hypocritical pig. The self righteous condemnations would be flying faster than the speed of light.
These insurgents (terrorists) are fighting a moral fight for their country, Jim. For whatever they are, they will prevail.
--------------------------------Moghrabi------------------
That statement bears repeating.
Also deserves further examination.
--------------------------------Moghrabi------------------
That statement bears repeating.
Also deserves further examination.
Re: RE: 10 Marines killed near Falluja
Do you want me to repeat it and then examine it?
These people fighting in Iraq are fighting a legitimate fight against occupiers who went there based on lies and with an agenda to control the wealth of their country. You are the occupiers and they are entitled to fight you whichever way they see fit to make sure you run out of there and leave them alone.
Now don't tell me about elections. Elections can be rigged, puppet government in place governed by people who are more wanted worldwide than Saddam ever been.
If you come to my house Jim to destroy it, I will burn it down with you and me in it. That is what is happening in Iraq.
jimmoyer said:
Do you want me to repeat it and then examine it?
These people fighting in Iraq are fighting a legitimate fight against occupiers who went there based on lies and with an agenda to control the wealth of their country. You are the occupiers and they are entitled to fight you whichever way they see fit to make sure you run out of there and leave them alone.
Now don't tell me about elections. Elections can be rigged, puppet government in place governed by people who are more wanted worldwide than Saddam ever been.
If you come to my house Jim to destroy it, I will burn it down with you and me in it. That is what is happening in Iraq.
Re: RE: 10 Marines killed near Falluja
jim...... with due respect....... that is a non response. :roll: and more along the lines of a verbal GAME as opposed to debate of substance..
jimmoyer said:
jim...... with due respect....... that is a non response. :roll: and more along the lines of a verbal GAME as opposed to debate of substance..
I see how you take it.
But there's a number of ways you could interpret.
One of which is: A statement of "terrorists fighting a moral fight" is begging for, as you put it, a "debate of substance."
Terrorists fighting a moral fight is a statement that you can agree to or not agree to.
Or analyze in any way you wish.
In fact you could comment on it and I'll move on to other matters.
No worries.
But there's a number of ways you could interpret.
One of which is: A statement of "terrorists fighting a moral fight" is begging for, as you put it, a "debate of substance."
Terrorists fighting a moral fight is a statement that you can agree to or not agree to.
Or analyze in any way you wish.
In fact you could comment on it and I'll move on to other matters.
No worries.
RE: 10 Marines killed nea
Jim. If you notice that I put the word terrorists in quotation marks. Only the US and its bullied partners call them terrorists. The proper name is freedom fighters since they are fighting a huge army to free their country from occupiers. This war was brought to them based on lies and deceit.
What would you call the American public if the Iraqi army invaded the US and the public resisted? Heaven's angels? God's fighters? I bet you wouldn't call your own people fighting for freedom terrorists.
Jim. If you notice that I put the word terrorists in quotation marks. Only the US and its bullied partners call them terrorists. The proper name is freedom fighters since they are fighting a huge army to free their country from occupiers. This war was brought to them based on lies and deceit.
What would you call the American public if the Iraqi army invaded the US and the public resisted? Heaven's angels? God's fighters? I bet you wouldn't call your own people fighting for freedom terrorists.
Your portrayal of the insurgents is at least as inaccurate as my portrayal. One extreme begets another extreme, equally as inaccurate.
Everyone in America is in agreement about getting our troops out of there. Conservatives, Liberals, and moderates all want our troops out. Because of what we broke, we'd like to leave that country in a half way civilly secure manner.
The insurgents know this, and so do you.
The insurgents are not the heroes most Iraqis trust.
And you know that too.
In fact the real heroes are the ones who stand up to those bullies, the ones who guard a mosque from being blown up by the insurgents, the clerics who call for America to free their hands to go after those guys.
By the way those same insurgents so glorified aren't going to quit once American troops leave.
Everyone in America is in agreement about getting our troops out of there. Conservatives, Liberals, and moderates all want our troops out. Because of what we broke, we'd like to leave that country in a half way civilly secure manner.
The insurgents know this, and so do you.
The insurgents are not the heroes most Iraqis trust.
And you know that too.
In fact the real heroes are the ones who stand up to those bullies, the ones who guard a mosque from being blown up by the insurgents, the clerics who call for America to free their hands to go after those guys.
By the way those same insurgents so glorified aren't going to quit once American troops leave.
RE: 10 Marines killed nea
The insurgents were not there before you invaded. You created the monster. I bet once you leave and a proper government is elected by all Iraqis to represent them, they will merge into the society. Now revenge is taking place between Sunnis and Shias thanks to all American interference and support for one party against others. Civil war is next.
America should withdraw, pay reparations, hand in your neocon president and his cabal to international court to be tried for crimes against humanity. Nothing less is acceptable.
The insurgents were not there before you invaded. You created the monster. I bet once you leave and a proper government is elected by all Iraqis to represent them, they will merge into the society. Now revenge is taking place between Sunnis and Shias thanks to all American interference and support for one party against others. Civil war is next.
America should withdraw, pay reparations, hand in your neocon president and his cabal to international court to be tried for crimes against humanity. Nothing less is acceptable.
I just read an article about bush "planning" a "small war" before he took office as this was the way he could secure a notable position in history, and wars tend to bring glory etc. ( he used Thatcher and the Falklands as an eg) He also planned on using the C.I.C position and "war " prez status to get what he wanted passed in the US etc. It had to do with using the "capitol" one achieves through dramatics and wars to further ones own agenda........(more power, more control, new laws etc)
No surprise about the lust for power and glory ....and control., is it??
No surprise about the lust for power and glory ....and control., is it??
Well, Moghrabi, the only glue that held off religious and ethnic animosities in Yugoslavia was Tito and in Iraq it was Saddam Hussein.
That glue dissappears doesn't it when those men die or are removed ?
What you see NOW is what you would have seen 10 years later if Saddam stayed in power and then died.
Civil war if it is to be, some process of these groups must play out.
You see it with the Russians in Chechnya. You see all those new countries form out of the old Soviet Union.
If it pleases you more to have some fiction of a glue in the name of a strongman then I think the whole issue becomes just a matter of perception, typical of most of us westerner outsiders.
That glue dissappears doesn't it when those men die or are removed ?
What you see NOW is what you would have seen 10 years later if Saddam stayed in power and then died.
Civil war if it is to be, some process of these groups must play out.
You see it with the Russians in Chechnya. You see all those new countries form out of the old Soviet Union.
If it pleases you more to have some fiction of a glue in the name of a strongman then I think the whole issue becomes just a matter of perception, typical of most of us westerner outsiders.
Another afficionado, ITN !!
By the way, I'm liking that UScontent site too.
Haven't registered yet, but looking at it.
I was beginning to think there were too many beer drinkers around here in cyber-ville.
And, Moghrabi, read up on al Sistani, if you haven't already.
By the way, I'm liking that UScontent site too.
Haven't registered yet, but looking at it.
I was beginning to think there were too many beer drinkers around here in cyber-ville.
And, Moghrabi, read up on al Sistani, if you haven't already.
RE: 10 Marines killed nea
No. Saddam ruled with an iron fist. He was not liked by many but now i bet you they prefer to have him back and your army out.
What I am talking about is different.
You hate the Shia in Iran yet you love them in Iraq. Why? because in Iraq they support you. You bought them. You couldn't buy the Sunnis. This is the first step of causing a civil war. Divide and conquer.
You promised the Kurds their own independent state. You can not divide a sovereign country to achieve your own agenda. Again - divide and conquer. Also, promise for now, keep them waiting forever.
You are killing Sunnis with Phosphorus bombs. You are causing massive hatred against you and anyone supporting you including the Shia and Kurds.
Note the first 2 points. The Shia in the south and the Kurds in the north control 90% of the oil fields. Funny how things work.
Your president, Jim, is the worst dictator of all times. Saddam at least was in control of the situation. You moron president can't control the border with Mexico.
enough said.
No. Saddam ruled with an iron fist. He was not liked by many but now i bet you they prefer to have him back and your army out.
What I am talking about is different.
You hate the Shia in Iran yet you love them in Iraq. Why? because in Iraq they support you. You bought them. You couldn't buy the Sunnis. This is the first step of causing a civil war. Divide and conquer.
You promised the Kurds their own independent state. You can not divide a sovereign country to achieve your own agenda. Again - divide and conquer. Also, promise for now, keep them waiting forever.
You are killing Sunnis with Phosphorus bombs. You are causing massive hatred against you and anyone supporting you including the Shia and Kurds.
Note the first 2 points. The Shia in the south and the Kurds in the north control 90% of the oil fields. Funny how things work.
Your president, Jim, is the worst dictator of all times. Saddam at least was in control of the situation. You moron president can't control the border with Mexico.
enough said.