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Which is what I was driving at in the first place, and you sneered about it. Whether it has an effect on AGW or not is debatable, but it will definitely have a beneficial effect on other stuff. Not cleaning up, regardless of whether the cleaning up would have an effect on our atmosphere (and it...

:roll: That's your religion and you're sticking to it, right? lmao Effectively we are in a closed system. http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/earth_system/types_of_systems.html

That is straight crap. Yeah, and NASA Gagging Policy: Climate Scientist Quit over Controversy but these people are not saying there is no such thing as GHGs. They are saying the GHG theory is doubtable. If I were you, beaver, I'd give up spinning. You aren't any good at it.

No-one knows for sure, but the indications look pretty clear. I don't disagree.

I've said so quite often actually, that my preferred science is Anthro. I don't really have a favorite anthropologist. Really? There are no deniers alarming people that economies will collapse, man will revert to prehistoric states, etc.? Try another line of BS. Wrong. I add good sense, facts...

Hey Harry, keep your superstitious dogma out of the science threads, k? So quit listening to alarmists and pay attention to the rational and serious scientists. [B][I][U] You should really try to loosen up your rigidity. Everything is not either black or white. So you say, but you have yet...

And yet a lot of people are perfectly willing to swallow the hype about conspiracy and denials and only be suspicious of scientists comments. In a way it's really funny; in another it's extremely pathetic; and either way it says a lot about their depth of thought and the mental agility of them...

I think the "fear" is a fabrication and there was no fear of reprisal if they spoke up against AGW and the IPCC. Ever since people mentioned global warming there have been others disputing it. Read the part about "solar variation" here: Global warming controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lol I think you misread that info. Idling wastes fuel and fuel adds emissions. The more fuel you pour into your engine the more emissions it produces, idling or moving.

Ah, so burning gasoline and sucking up wads of gigaWatts of electricity doesn't add anything to emissions. It's just using plastic and buying foreign fruit that does it.

Ton has a good point, reducing to a number is not the objective anyway. But either way, EF seems to think we need to come up with one single huge panacea rather than seeing what we can do in the many levels we've been polluting at to reach the objective. If we can't reduce by the majority...

Interesting rebuttals: http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/resources/globalwarming/documents/oreskes-on-science-consenus.pdf

If you can't challenge the data and the information resulting from the analysis of the data, attack the messenger. Abraham did his homework, Monckton didn't. Monckton's whining about it.

And yet deniers moan about East Anglia's misrepresenting facts. Monckton's entire thesis is based on misrepresentation and fabrication. He even contradicts his own data. lmao

This can't be good for the economy. It sure can't be any better than trying to reduce our carbon footprint. BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Acid oceans 'need urgent action' University World News - EUROPE: Scientists urge action on ocean acidity Perhaps if cutting back won't reach our...

IOW, off-topic gossip. Gore a hero to someone? Maybe his kids. Certainly not to anyone remotely scientific. You're barking at your shadow, pup. And still off-topic.

Tell that to Greenlanders. They won't believe you. Greenland ice - Google Search Then there's this stuff: http://climateprogress.org/2010/05/13/arctic-ice-volume-nsidc-polar-science-center/ Massive Arctic ice cap is shrinking, study shows; Rate accelerating since 1985 Canada's Shrinking Ice...

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Oh, but that'll kill the economy because its goals are unattainable. ;) Yeah well, the single biggest contributing industry to the emissions is electrical energy. Having people put a half dozen panels on their roofs would make a huge dent in EE consumption. Get businesses to do the same and...