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Completely off topic. I was in New York City this weekend. My first time ever spending a whole weekend. The WTC site is now a major construction site. They have about 20 floors constructed in 3 of the new buildings.

What the heck are you doing Avro? Are you off your meds again?

Oh they love windfarms et all. Just as long as they don't have to see them. I am sure they would not object to having them put in lower and middle class communities.

I've always been a proponent to alternative energy because I can't stand our total dependency on foreign oil. I'm for cleaner energy because it is better than coal plants belching pollution into the sky. So you don't have to be onboard with climate change to want alternative and cleaner energy...

I am not saying it doesn't work. Power is power. I am all for Cape Wind. I am surprised that the Kennedy's who have been huge proponents of clean energy suddenly was against clean energy when it obstructs their pristine view as they sail off Cape Cod.

One thing that I am VERY excited about is a project in Massachusetts called Cape WInd. I am excited for a number of reasons. 1. It replaces fossil fuel with wind power. 2. It is off Hyanis, Cape Cod and it was opposed by none other than the Earth Saving Kennedy's as it would interefer with...

Show of hands... Whose bought carbon credits?

I listened to them on the radio and leading up to Copenhagen and during Copenhagen it was all about getting hands on developed nations money. Before the deal fell apart, underdeveloped nations were arguing about who should get the most money. I wasn't listening to conservative radio it was NPR...

What I am saying is that a powerful political force in this movement has been all about hitting developed nations up for big money, mandating they pay carbon emissions taxes AND transfer the wealth to so called underdeveloped nations. That pretty much summed up what was attempted in...

Nah...your just twisting words to suit you.

Nothing like quoting me out of context Tonnington.

No no no. I never said that's where the money goes. I know there are environmentalist that want it to go there. You asked how much does Europe give to underdeveloped nations and I said I didn't know. Hopefully it will fail. Getting a kick out of trying to twist words? I am surprised. For...

You ask how much money went to underdeveloped nations. I said I didn't know. Has this bill been passed? Obama made quite a few promises, all candidates do. I didn't say it. They are the ones that said it. I heard the S. African cabinet member's tantrum that they did not get a signed treaty...

I'm not moving goal posts at all. The climate always changes. The environmentalist want emissions cut drastically in our industries OR they will be forced to pay fines or carbon taxes. The cabon taxes then go to so called under developed nations. It's a way for environmentalist to squeeze our...

... and I praise Obama for telling them to stick it. And I enjoyed listening to the people on NPR stamping their feet and yelling that all Obama had to do was sign the paper and keep his mouth shut but didn't. Good for Obama.

Ya think? How did Copenhagen work out for the ones who are trying to force payment? Even Obama brushed them off and he claims to agree with them. How did Kyoto do? Nobody even bothered following it.

Well to say the climate isn't changing or never will change is absolute nonsense. Boston was once under an ice sheet 3/4 Mile thick. It was also a tropical swamp at one time. But Climate Change (no longer called Global Warming for some odd reason) is nothing but a tool for the...

Ok... quick...eveyone give Trillions of Loonies to Africa and Asia. That will stop it. :roll:

How come Copenhagen was nothing but an attempt to shake down so called Developed Nations? That's what it was.