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  1. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    A couple points I haven't commented on yet, Problem is, legitimate associations can easily be misrepresented as something entirely different. I recall back in the 1990's when the environmentalists were waging a global war on BC's forest industry. The industry, unions, businesses and...
  2. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    I don't know about the excess of CO2 in human bodies. I do know that at 6000 ppm in the atmosphere it becomes toxic to human life. My father grew up in Europe nearly 100 years ago, son of a peasant farmer, and burning dung was a major source of heat, especially for cooking. Wood was scarce...
  3. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    I don't believe you're serious. Air is 4/5 nitrogen and you're trying to say nitrogen can be a pollutant if released into the air? Or are you talking about nitrogen fertilizer? Yes, concentrated amounts of it can be harmful. But then that applies to anything. Everything is a poison, and...
  4. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Yeah, right! Adding oxygen to air is polluting. Adding nitrogen to air is polluting. Adding air to air is polluting. Right. I've already shown that human contributions are minuscule and the tiny reductions such as curly light bulbs or even achievement of Kyoto objectives are too small to...
  5. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    And even more research to debunk global warming hysteria: PDF Copy of the study (Stephen E Schwartz is in the pay of the well known oil giant, Brookhaven National Lab - Atmospheric Science Division.)
  6. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    More about dirty air, and the role it plays in global warming: Link
  7. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    CO2 is not pollution, it is part of the air, and the vast majority of the volume of CO2 in the air is natural. Human activity contributes only a tiny percentage of the total. It is acknowledged by all sides in the debate that if the whole world met it's Kyoto targets, there would be no effect...
  8. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    "A Major Cooling Widely Considered to Be Inevitable.” - The New York Times, 1975 _____________________________________________________________ "There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition." - Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of...
  9. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    And I was explaining that there are many variations in solar output that affect temperatures on earth. Sunspots are important because they correspond to the strength of the suns magnetic field, which affects the amount of cosmic radiation reaching the earth, which affects the amount and...
  10. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    I don't have much time. I'll reply to what I can and I'll get back to the rest on the weekend. Well that's a very simplistic and incomplete idea of solar variances. The sun has many differing cycles. Sunspots vary over an 11 year cycle, but also on a longer (maybe irregular) changes. During the...
  11. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    NASA Read the whole page. This is from the bottom. - Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day, 1970 Didn't happen, did it? Doomsday predictions never do come true. Overfishing? Sure, it's happening. That's why we have fish farms. What's it been, 10,000 years since we switched from hunter-gathering to...
  12. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    I don't have an internet location for their work. You'll have to do the research the hard way. You'll find it very interesting. Amazing how much of the turbulent European history we studied was due to the cool climate.
  13. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Some quotes that put it in perspective
  14. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Since we're done with the ozone thing which doesn't belong on this thread I thought I might critique your comments on climate change. Pretty good so far, except you didn't mention that our contribution to greenhouse gasses is quite minimal. Now that's just silly. You sound like Paul Ehrlich and...
  15. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    As I said before, it's a problem that doesn't exist. The idea that the antarctic ozone hole is anything but natural has been disproved. The Japanese scientists whom I referrenced for you did their study in 1986, in response to the "discovery" of the hole by NASA. They were looking for the...
  16. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Thanks for the lesson. However it's all of limited relevance. Theories that conflict with the evidence are flawed. Yes it's been done in the lab, which means it's reasonable to assume it occurs in nature too. Yes it turns ozone into oxygen (which then promptly turns back into ozone). Problem is...
  17. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    More than just that, but why belabor the point. Yup, but not widely used in the world. Some will react, some won't. But since the amount of chloride calculated to be in the stratosphere at any one time is calculated to be 50 times higher than the entire annual output from CFC’s, it's plainly...
  18. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Certainly global warming exists. So does global cooling. It's called climate change. I've lived through two such cycles. The climate was cooling when I was born in 1947 and continued to cool until the early 1970's when the global cooling scare became the big story of the day. Then the...
  19. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    The definition seems to have been changed to fit the theory. The original definition, by convention, was a 50% reduction. Since the ozone fluctuates so much (up to 40%) in the normal scheme of things, a fixed amount wasn't considered reliable. And Dobson discovered it in 1956. Because you seemed...
  20. Extrafire

    How the GW myth is perpetuated

    Well, you said completely ignoring the fact that I had already said that the holes were a natural occurrence discovered in 1956, clearly indicating that they were already there. Somehow you felt the need to tell me something I’d just said. My conclusion could only be that you hadn’t read my...