There are many, but that’s not the focus here. Not even on the other side of the coin from Oct 7th, just and only Israel.
The New York Declaration.
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Well, I did post a link in the quote above but…Well, it wasn’t the top of the list, but it was in the list with your Google suggestion:
Hamas’ October 7th Genocide: Legal Analysis and the Weaponisation of Reverse Accusations – A Study in Modern Genocide Recognition and Denial | Israel Law Review | Cambridge Core
Hamas’ October 7th Genocide: Legal Analysis and the Weaponisation of Reverse Accusations – A Study in Modern Genocide Recognition and Denialwww.cambridge.org
Well, I did post a link but…
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If they are, are they the only ones, even in just this goat rodeo, or are they the only ones who can be guilty of this accusation?
I accept many facts from many sources and directions. How about yourself?
Why do you think the Israelis, in their war against Hamas, have repeatedly over the last two years, warned the civilian population in advance to relocate away from areas that they would target against Hamas over and over and over?
Why do you think, with Hamas hiding amongst and underneath the population of Gaza using them as human shields, that the ratio of civilian casualties, when it’s all said and done, against Hamas (& friends) combatants will be as low as it actually is? What does the Hamas controlled Gaza Health Authority say about this ratio?
Why do you think Israel didn’t start & finish this in the first month of this long before Christmas of 2023? Yes, Israel responded militarily to the Hamas (& friends) attack on Israeli Oct 7th 2023, on the battlefield chosen by Hamas. What choice was Israel, as a sovereign nation, given on that day?
Yeah. I think they’ve had quite enough, and yet have shown much restraint throughout this.
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Described as a Third Intifada by some observers, it is the first direct conflict within widely recognized Israeli territory since the country's founding. Hostilities were initiated by a rocket barrage against Israel and vehicle-transported incursions into Israeli territory, with a number of attacks having been carried out on the Israeli military as well as Israeli civilian communities.
The assault has been led by the Palestinian militant groups, including Hamas, Islamic Jihadand PFLP. The Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbasverbally supported the uprising, stating that Palestinians had the right to defend themselves against the Israeli occupation.
The United Nations Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, the European Union, and many individual member nations voiced condemnation of the attacks and said Israel had the right to self-defense.
At least 2,200 rockets were fired from the Gaza Stripas Hamas militants breached the Gaza–Israel barrier, killing at least 250 Israelis and prompting Israel's government to declare a state of emergency; Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that Israel "is at war" in a national address following the beginning of the attacks.
2025, Etc…
Oct 7 is a genocide but Israel isn't committing one? You're going to stand by that?
If it's right to blame all Muslims for 9/11, it's right to blame all White military veterans for the OK City bombing.
Is that what I’ve said, or is that what you hear? Nobody involved are angels, it’s a war (or at least one side officially declared war trying to follow the rules, etc…), and more that one party can be either accused of these crimes, and to date neither side has been convicted (though most of the Hamas upper echelon are with their 72 virgins at this point).
And so on and so forth. At LEAST two sides in this, etc…
Etc…& this is just examples from this thread.
Trying to follow the rules but ended up with crimes against humanity and genocide charges? The rules must be rigged in their opposition's favour?
There are two sides involved here at least if not more. You have blinders for anything that is not Israel. Don’t you find that strange?
(Why did Israel formally declare war against Hamas before they ever entered the Gaza strip way back two years ago?)
The ICC Prosecutor has issued arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defence Minister Yoav Gallant, but these warrants are specifically for charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity, not genocide. Why do you think that so with respect to what you’re saying?
For Oct 7 to be called a genocide the meaning of genocide has to be so heavily diluted it loses its gravity. Are you willing to go that far just to be obtuse?
Your right, Netanyahu is only up on petty ICC crimes against humanity and murder charges but the entirety of Israel is up on ICJ Genocide charges.
Guess what, God isn't going to rescue them in a highly dramatic way.
I posted a link from Cambridge. It may not be as black and white as you seem to think it is. It’ll take years to resolve, and we’ll see which way the dice lands at that point.
With the Hannibal Directive being invoked on Oct 7 you'd have to included Israel on any Hamas charge but Hamas didn't commit so Israel gets away with murdering their own.
I don’t know what you’re talking about man. Neither side are angels. Both have charges thrown out there against them, but on the Hamas side, most of those names have been sent off to be with their 72 Virginians by the IDF so…I guess they won’t be facing a criminal court anyway.
You're unaware of the Hannibal Directive? Im sure we've been over that already.
Hannibal makes it impossible not just pathetic to claim genocide for Oct7.
According to multiple news investigations and a UN inquiry, the Israeli army ordered the "Hannibal Directive" (also known as the "Hannibal Protocol" or "Hannibal Procedure") during the Hamas attack on October 7, 2023. The directive, a controversial military policy, aims to prevent the capture of Israeli soldiers by enemy forces at any cost, even at the risk of the captive's life.
Key findings regarding its use on October 7:
- Order Issued: An order was given for Israeli forces to prevent Hamas from returning to Gaza with captives "at all costs," including destroying vehicles heading towards Gaza.
- Civilian Casualties: While the directive primarily applies to soldiers, many of those captured on October 7 were civilians. Subsequent investigations by the Israeli newspaper Haaretz and a UN-backed commission of inquiry have found that the application of the directive resulted in the deaths of Israeli civilians and soldiers from Israeli fire.
- Specific Incidents:
- A UN report verified information indicating that in at least two cases, the ISF (Israeli Security Forces) likely applied the directive, resulting in the killing of up to 14 Israeli civilians.
- One incident involved an Israeli tank firing two shells into a house in Kibbutz Be'eri where over a dozen captives were held, killing most of them.
- Another case mentioned a woman killed by Israeli helicopter fire while being transported to Gaza by Hamas fighters.
- Controversy: The directive was reportedly revoked in 2016 due to previous controversies and varied interpretations among the military. Its apparent use on October 7 has generated significant controversy and internal investigations within the IDF.
- IDF Response: The IDF has not officially confirmed or denied the use of the directive by name, but stated that the events of October 7 are under internal investigation and that results will be presented publicly once concluded.
Ugh…
Anyway, that should be your first Halloween beside a graveyard I’m assuming, so that should be cool!
Both sides are facing accusations and charges. That’s what I meant. Twist it however you like.
Anyway, that should be your first Halloween beside a graveyard I’m assuming, so that should be cool!
Only one? Well, we know it’s not Israel, so that, by process of elimination I guess leaves…?
Israel has one of the the most advanced military technologies in the world (other than the US). If they wanted, they could have vaporize the entire Gaza strip in less than 24 hours, without using nuclear weapons.
Instead, what Israel does is:
1) Since October 7th, Israel has delivered over 2 million tons of aid, including food, water, fuel, electricity, internet, tents, field hospitals. 1st war in human history a warring nation provided aid to the enemy population for the duration of the war. And the 1st war in history an enemy given FREE INTERNET.
2) Vaccinated the entire children's population from polio, in the middle of the war.
3) Evacuates people from combat zones, including calling, texting, and dropping leaflets showing safe evacuation routes.
4) Gives free medical care to people, and evacuates severe medical cases for treatment abroad.
Israel, if it’s committing/committed genocide, it’s really bad at it.