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The most important point is the association with God, i.e. to associate others together with God in the worship and servitude, which is the most flagrant crime.

While God's existence; it is there straightforward; none disbelieves in God's existence other than one whose mind is not intact, and whose heart is not pure; who only follows his own desires and leaves the plain truth: of God the Creator and the Reason for the existing universe and nature.

EA, we are in agreement about the rules of god as you've outlined briefly above but you must agree that the interpretation of "the plain truth" that you have adopted and employed in your life may only be one path to truth of many provided by the very same god and culturally adjusted over time to fit the needs of the fathfull. In other words the all mercifull would seem to be more mercifull than some adherants. The one knows all languages and customs intimately.
 

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This is mankinds dilema isn't it?
Certainly one of the big ones alright. Dogmatism and arrogance seem built into us somehow, we always think we understand things we don't. I'd immediately agree that religion isn't the only offender in this regard, but I'd put it at the top of the list, closely followed by various political and economic ideologies. They often look very much like religion too, and can't prove their claims either.
What might act as catalyst for this required transformation?
More people who know how to think clearly, the first lesson being that we must never lose sight of the fact that we might be wrong. All knowledge but the trivial is tentative to some degree. A little humility would go a long way; Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot," linked to in several other places here, covers it nicely.
 

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Oh sure, anyone who doesn't believe is insane and corrupt. That's what makes religious belief like yours dangerous and offensive, that dogmatic, arrogant certainty, what Jacob Bronowski characterized as absolute knowledge with no test in reality. True believers think they have the moral authority to condemn those who don't share their views, which historically has caused much human misery and suffering and continues to do so. That's really the core of Hitchens' criticism of religion. His contempt for it is readily understandable.

The wrangling of the atheist in general is primarily based on the composition and style language.

When I saw your reply to the debate of the Jewish rabbi and the atheist (although I had no chance to see this debate because of the difficulty to download), I found that all your reply is based on composition and decorated words only.

At the beginning you started to assert that the atheist is the winner without any doubt.
Then you went on to praise the atheist and his way of thinking and wrangling and that the other one is foolish (although I may not agree about many of his words: I infact did not hear him except very little: almost nothing) I asked for some written link, but no one responded.

The wrangling of the atheist divides into two main categories:
1 – denial of God – be glorified. Then whatever he is told that there is a cause and a result, and nothing can come from nothing; he mocks all that, and return to assert that this is wrong, and returns once again to the starting point; while this is the most outstanding point.

2 – refusal of the heavenly books. Then he defame these books of God: the virtues included therein are bad in fact. While this is an obvious error, and these books instructed man to every virtue and good manner.

Another point:
  • The strange thing is that the Jewish rabbi agree that the religion serves the advantage of man circumstances and needs, as if he agree that the religion (of God) is only an invention of man. (I understood this from your reply; although I did not hear the man say that.)
 

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EA, we are in agreement about the rules of god as you've outlined briefly above but you must agree that the interpretation of "the plain truth" that you have adopted and employed in your life may only be one path to truth of many provided by the very same god and culturally adjusted over time to fit the needs of the fathfull. In other words the all mercifull would seem to be more mercifull than some adherants. The one knows all languages and customs intimately.

DB, the truth is one only, while the falsehood is of many forms and ways.

The religion (of God) is only one way: all the prophets and apostles called people to serve One God: the Creator.

This is in the Quran 6: 153
وَأَنَّ هَذَا صِرَاطِي مُسْتَقِيمًا فَاتَّبِعُوهُ وَلاَ تَتَّبِعُواْ السُّبُلَ فَتَفَرَّقَ بِكُمْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ ذَلِكُمْ وَصَّاكُم بِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ
The explanation:
(Surely, this [religion of the Islam] is My 'standard' way; therefore do you [men] follow it, but follow not other ways [in the future], lest you be parted from His way [because of the plighting and designing of the associaters belonging to the other ways.] This [warning] He has commanded you with; haply you will ward off [their plights and wickedness.] )

Moreover, you cannot be with two doctrines but: either you be with God, or with the polytheism and atheism; there is no midway inbetween. That is because you have only one heart: this heart cannot bear two conflicting ways.
This is according to the aya 33: 4
مَّا جَعَلَ اللَّهُ لِرَجُلٍ مِّن قَلْبَيْنِ فِي جَوْفِهِ
The explanation:
(God did not make to any man two hearts within his body)
It means: Man has only one heart, and the heart of Mohammed (and the believers) is full of God's loving; therefore there is no place in his heart for loving the idols; so he refused their last proposal to leave their idols be.
 

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The loss of the foreskin at the age of 8 days was a mark of identification, it was not done as a 'mutilation' therefore, it wasn't back then.
If you did it to yourself as a sign (these days) that you were Jewish it would be a sign of self-mutilation (never a good thing).

Nor is that a requirement with Christians. They can do either with no effect as far as God is concerned, other things are examined in much closer detail.

Nor can a Christian serve two masters. God alone will greet us after we are gathered by Christ
 

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I disagree....the Rabbi hits home when he argues that law, to be taken seriously, must have more behind it than mere human legislation....if not, the Holocaust was perfectly right and legal, as was the Cambodian genocide, and any other mass murder undertaken by the authorities........

I mean, exactly how much respect to you hold for Canadian law?

I guess I'm a little late into this debate, but I'll weigh in at any rate...hey that rhymes... 8)

All ancient laws invoked a deity to legitimize them...

The Code of Hammurabi predates Talmudic law by at least 200, and possibly as much as 1000 years.

Preamble to The Code of Hammurabi:

When Anu the Sublime, King of the Anunaki, and Bel, the lord of Heaven and earth, who decreed the fate of the land, assigned to Marduk, the over-ruling son of Ea, God of righteousness, dominion over earthly man, and made him great among the Igigi, they called Babylon by his illustrious name, made it great on earth, and founded an everlasting kingdom in it, whose foundations are laid so solidly as those of heaven and earth; then Anu and Bel called by name me, Hammurabi, the exalted prince, who feared God, to bring about the rule of righteousness in the land, to destroy the wicked and the evil-doers; so that the strong should not harm the weak; so that I should rule over the black-headed people like Shamash, and enlighten the land, to further the well-being of mankind.

There are Hammurabic influences in our legal system today, but do you really believe that they originated from ancient pagan deities, or that it is more likely that Hammurabi realized that in order to influence people's behaviour, divine authority must be invoked.

Either way, it doesn't make it true...it just shows that people of the ancient near-east were as gullible as people are today...

An interesting note is that the names Bael, Ba'al and Beelzebub were derived from Bel, and later become demons in the Judeo-Christian religion.

So it goes, that the earliest influence upon our present day legal system was derived from the devil...

How does that grab ya?
 

eanassir

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The loss of the foreskin at the age of 8 days was a mark of identification, it was not done as a 'mutilation' therefore, it wasn't back then.
If you did it to yourself as a sign (these days) that you were Jewish it would be a sign of self-mutilation (never a good thing).

Nor is that a requirement with Christians. They can do either with no effect as far as God is concerned, other things are examined in much closer detail.

Nor can a Christian serve two masters. God alone will greet us after we are gathered by Christ


The circumcision

God ordered the Children of Israel to cut the foreskin on the eighth day, and said it is a serious thing to spare this foreskin.

It was some purification, to which they were identified; because the other pagan and idolatrous religions did not understand the importance of this act, and almost they kept up without this circumcision. Therefore, essentially it was not for the purpose of their identification, but it became so because the other sects did not do it.

God does not create anything in vain; the importance of this foreskin is to protect the sensitive nerve-endings and sensitive cell in the terminal end of the male organ (glans p.) This protection is in the terminal part of the intrauterine life of the fetus, and during the delivery of the baby.

If you remember your first semen ejection, it bore an extreme pleasure, but later on by sexual usage this pleasure became less because of the atrophy of these sensitive sexual nerve endings at the terminal part of the male organ; so this is the benefit of the foreskin: to protect such sensitive cells before and during the labor of the baby.

Then after delivery there will be no need for this foreskin, and on the contrary it will be harmful because it collects dirt and smegma; then later on when man becomes old, it will lead to Cancer of the male organ in the sects that do not circumcise.
Therefore, it will be necessary to circumcise.

The timing of the 8th day in particular; it is not an essential thing in the Islam that the baby has to be circumcised on the 8th day, but anytime; but it is a must according to the prophetic way and instructions.

The timing of the 8th day is for the purpose that on Judgment Day; the one that had been circumcised on the 8th day, his soul will come on Judgment Day circumcised, but if delayed more, then his soul will come on Judgment Day uncircumcised whatever time following the 8th day; because after 40 days the ethereal structure will be established and will never be corrupted, while before 40 days the ethereal structure of that organ will not have the chance of being formed and the man will be without ethereal foreskin. (If we calculate the time of the formation of the foreskin in utero + 8 days it may equal 40 days?)
http://man-after-death.741.com/#The_Soul_
http://man-after-death.741.com/#Features_of_the_Soul_

Therefore, Jews stuck to this rite; then when Jesus Christ – peace be on him – came they objected to some good work to help people that he did on the Sabbath; and he said to them that the circumcision (the actual word used for this circumcision: they called it in their common language: the purification) is essentially the purification of the heart.

Then Christians misunderstood this that he meant the circumcision is not necessary; but it is very necessary actually, although the purification of the heart is more important.

Muslims do circumcise and it is a must, but not necessarily on the eighth day; but everyone should bear in mind:

If he is circumcised on the eighth day, the man soul will be circumcised forever,
and if he is circumcised following the eighth day, the man soul will be uncircumcised forever.


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eanassir

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If you didn`t see it, you`re not entitled to an opinion about it or what anyone says about it.

This is your way always, and it proves my opinion; you find some point and try to take it as a plea.
OK, I am trying to download it; and my reply is against atheism in general.
 

eanassir

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I guess I'm a little late into this debate, but I'll weigh in at any rate...hey that rhymes... 8)

All ancient laws invoked a deity to legitimize them...

The Code of Hammurabi predates Talmudic law by at least 200, and possibly as much as 1000 years.

Preamble to The Code of Hammurabi:



There are Hammurabic influences in our legal system today, but do you really believe that they originated from ancient pagan deities, or that it is more likely that Hammurabi realized that in order to influence people's behaviour, divine authority must be invoked.

Either way, it doesn't make it true...it just shows that people of the ancient near-east were as gullible as people are today...

An interesting note is that the names Bael, Ba'al and Beelzebub were derived from Bel, and later become demons in the Judeo-Christian religion.

So it goes, that the earliest influence upon our present day legal system was derived from the devil...

How does that grab ya?


God – be glorified – sent a large number of apostles to man-kind to instruct them about serving Him alone and to abandon their idolatry, and their associating some other objects, men or angels together with God in their worship and servitude; or else they will lose in the afterlife.

So those apostles came to their peoples with the pure monotheism:
To ask of God alone,
To pray to God alone,
To swear by God only,
To seek assistance of God alone,
To vow to Him,
and to make all their righteous work for His sake alone,
and not to associate any other being or object with Him.

To every nation there came some apostles and prophets; so that man will not say on the Judgment Day: "I was unaware of this; why shouldn't You send us an apostle to instruct us; we then might have received the admonition, and become righteous!"

Then by time the message of those apostles were perverted into some distorted laws and rites; the original will have been lost, and people will plunge in the idolatry and the association.

Hammurabi code and law is some of such distorted heavenly laws; it might have been inherited from the time of Noah and was then distorted to come in this altered form, mixed with idolatry and association with God.
 

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Hammurabi code and law is some of such distorted heavenly laws; it might have been inherited from the time of Noah and was then distorted to come in this altered form, mixed with idolatry and association with God.

Or....

Not only did the gods of the ancients become devils of the Abrahamic religions, but so too did they become the one god or many...

The bible often refers to the god as Elohim, which is a derivation of the Canaanite god El, who was the father of the Canaanite pantheon of gods. Elohim is the plural of the word eloah, which means a god. This means that elohim is the plural, and that early Israelites worshipped more than one god, probably the same ones they pinched from the Canaanites. Also, another derivation is the Arab word ilah which means a god, and allah means the god.

...by the way, monotheistic religions were already an old concept by the time Israelites allegedly wrote the Talmud...the first known instance of monetheism was found in the city of Catal Huyuk, which existed from about 6500 to 5000 BCE...

That predates the alleged time of the alleged Moses by at least 2000 years...and the alleged writing of the Talmud by at least 3500 years...

That's assuming that we can trust the commonly cited date of approximately 1500 BCE as the being the time that the Talmud was written...there is some evidence which supports the supposition that the Talmud was not written until much later, around 700 BCE...but that's a tale for another time...
 

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How can you have an opinion on something you haven't seen?

... oh wait... :-?

:lol:

My opinion that he does not intend to find the truth; he only tries to find some points and take it as a plea.

While as regards this drukard: the atheist; they want to make some propaganda for him; it is only a tempest in a cup. The other man showed to people the books of the atheist, and clapped hands for him.

Actually, I saw about 26 minutes (as I remember) and the drunkard drank two times from the bottle of alcohol. He never raised his eyes to the people; I think he listened to the suggestions of devils (from his right and left sides: whispering in his ear) and instructing him to his atheism.

I ask you: Can you become a repoter with such newspapers [unless you walk in their ways]; I mean there are some people who encourage and sponsor such an atheist, and make all this clapping and celebration for him; while he did not bring any new thing: the same known old atheistic ways and words.

I heard only few minutes from the Jewish rabbi; I saw him much better than the drunkard.

In addition, the written words are better than watching the video; because the orator may overcome the other person, by way of his personality, cunning or some shouting, in addition to the cheering and clapping ...etc; while the written words you can study his words and give the appropriate answer.
 

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Not only did the gods of the ancients become devils of the Abrahamic religions, but so too did they become the one god or many...

There is some mixing here; the religion of Abraham was against idolatry and against the devils. The religion of Abraham was revealed from the Lord of the heavens and the earth, and was not invented by people.

The bible often refers to the god as Elohim, which is a derivation of the Canaanite god El, who was the father of the Canaanite pantheon of gods. Elohim is the plural of the word eloah, which means a god. This means that elohim is the plural, and that early Israelites worshipped more than one god, probably the same ones they pinched from the Canaanites. Also, another derivation is the Arab word ilah which means a god, and allah means the god.

These ancient languages like Arabic and Hebrew are related to each other and have many similarities; because Abraham, the father of the Hebrew, was an Iraqi who lived in the city of Ur, then he crossed the river Euphrates and went to the land of Canaan :) Jordan), then his son Ismael lived at Mecca and was the father of some tribes of the Arab of Hijaz (Mecca and neighboring cities).
The other son of Abraham: Isaac lived in the land of Canaan and was the grandfather of the Israelites.
Therefore, the roots of many words in both languages are similar, like Elohim and ilah …etc.

...by the way, monotheistic religions were already an old concept by the time Israelites allegedly wrote the Talmud...the first known instance of monetheism was found in the city of Catal Huyuk, which existed from about 6500 to 5000 BCE...


The Torah was revealed from God Almighty, but the Talmud was not from God; it was written by the scholars of Jews.

The monotheism was before Abraham and even before Noah; it is from the time of Adam who was a prophet, to whom God revealed the monotheism and he taught it to his sons.

God sent all the apostles with the monotheism: that God is One without associate or peer or patron. Each apostle invited his people to serve the One God the Creator.

This is in the Quran 21: 25
وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ
The explanation:
(We never sent any messenger [to his people] before you [Mohammed], unless We revealed to him [saying]: "There is no god [in the universe] but I [: God]; so [O people] serve Me [alone.]")
 

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My opinion that he does not intend to find the truth; he only tries to find some points and take it as a plea.

Hitchens is only pointing out the fallacies in a belief system.

I understand that because your religious you would think that scepticism is a religion but it isn't.

I was once like you and thought the same thing.

I investigated, however, and discovered that scepticism is only a method; it is an approach to problems designed to find truth not hide from it.

Belief and faith in the unseen and unknowable does not show the truth.

While as regards this drukard: the atheist; they want to make some propaganda for him; it is only a tempest in a cup. The other man showed to people the books of the atheist, and clapped hands for him.

I'm not sure what this means but Hitchens was not drunk.

Actually, I saw about 26 minutes (as I remember) and the drunkard drank two times from the bottle of alcohol. He never raised his eyes to the people; I think he listened to the suggestions of devils (from his right and left sides: whispering in his ear) and instructing him to his atheism.

The man between them was the moderator. He wasn't Satan. No one else was on stage.

Thinking people are whispering in your ears is crazy.

I ask you: Can you become a repoter with such newspapers [unless you walk in their ways]; I mean there are some people who encourage and sponsor such an atheist, and make all this clapping and celebration for him; while he did not bring any new thing: the same known old atheistic ways and words.

He brings logic and calm to an otherwise naive and superstitious world. The system of logic squelches the tempest in the cup brought on by religion (which is why you don't like it). It is completely new to most of the world as most people are superstitious i.e., religious (to some extent).

I heard only few minutes from the Jewish rabbi; I saw him much better than the drunkard.

If you had watched it all you would have seen the rabbi clearly lost. He was a fool and by the end resorted to the same venomous spitting and hissing all religionists resort to.

If you truly want to see a demon you need look no further than a religious person clinging to their belief.

In addition, the written words are better than watching the video; because the orator may overcome the other person, by way of his personality, cunning or some shouting, in addition to the cheering and clapping ...etc; while the written words you can study his words and give the appropriate answer.

In order for the written word to be better you would need to be able to think on your own; that is, reason, deduce and comprehend meaning from the work as well as find and expose logic fallacies (which often is the only meaning).

If you can find such truths you should then be able to demonstrate them. Not with the text but by using the knowledge the text imparted to you. Using the text to prove a point is like a child hiding from the world under a safety blanket.

If, for example, the Koran had any scientific knowledge whatsoever in it then Islam could revolutionize science but instead they pervert it. In the early days Barbary did provide such knowledge before the poison of Islam and fundamentalism put out that light. The Moors were at the pinnacle of scientific knowledge before Mohammad squashed your intellect. I find it amazing you would defend such a person. His works have turned Islamic nations into superstitious fools.
 

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Certainly one of the big ones alright. Dogmatism and arrogance seem built into us somehow, we always think we understand things we don't. I'd immediately agree that religion isn't the only offender in this regard, but I'd put it at the top of the list, closely followed by various political and economic ideologies. They often look very much like religion too, and can't prove their claims either.
More people who know how to think clearly, the first lesson being that we must never lose sight of the fact that we might be wrong. All knowledge but the trivial is tentative to some degree. A little humility would go a long way; Carl Sagan's "Pale Blue Dot," linked to in several other places here, covers it nicely.

Human falability maybe should be seen as normal, relative to the total infalable facts contained in the universe. Therefore humility should grow in proportion. But what happens if we substitute hieghtened objectivity for humility? I tend to think of knowledge as discovered or undiscovered but not as tentative in other words the knowledge already exists it cannot be created only manipulated as and when understood by the observer and that observervation does not require humans necessarily, and I'm thinking here of the knowledge of heat imparted to a stone. Thinking clearly or objectively without the intrusion of emotion is fraught with problems for humans. A world full of Spocks would mean we were no longer human. Like arrogance and dogmatism there's a lot hardwired in us that can be but isn't commonly nurtured these days. We don't like to be wrong do we? It seems to me that we can't possibly be right untill we're wrong unless we're very lucky. X number of wrongs make a right. There's that old adage shot down at last. That's enough thinking for this evening I feel.
 

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Human falability maybe should be seen as normal, relative to the total infalable facts contained in the universe. Therefore humility should grow in proportion. But what happens if we substitute hieghtened objectivity for humility? I tend to think of knowledge as discovered or undiscovered but not as tentative in other words the knowledge already exists it cannot be created only manipulated as and when understood by the observer and that observervation does not require humans necessarily, and I'm thinking here of the knowledge of heat imparted to a stone. Thinking clearly or objectively without the intrusion of emotion is fraught with problems for humans. A world full of Spocks would mean we were no longer human. Like arrogance and dogmatism there's a lot hardwired in us that can be but isn't commonly nurtured these days. We don't like to be wrong do we? It seems to me that we can't possibly be right untill we're wrong unless we're very lucky. X number of wrongs make a right. There's that old adage shot down at last. That's enough thinking for this evening I feel.

Spock was my favourite guy on Star Trek.
 

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My opinion that he does not intend to find the truth; .
Your opinion is wrong, as usual. After all the fatuous nonsense you've posted about life on Mars and comets being fireballs and how temperature affects gravity and so on, it's obvious your opinions aren't grounded in reality. You see Hitchens drink from a bottle of water and assume it's alcohol and he's drunk, because it's simply beyond your conception that a sane and rational man could say the things he does. You've clearly stated that you think disbelievers are insane and corrupt, and you should probably be grateful the disbelievers here didn't respond in kind to that grotesque insult. I'll take Hitchens' version of sanity and rationality over yours any day. In the words of the inimitable Jack Nicholson, you can't handle the truth.
 
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There is some mixing here; the religion of Abraham was against idolatry and against the devils. The religion of Abraham was revealed from the Lord of the heavens and the earth, and was not invented by people.

While this is what you've been taught, it's not necessarily, nor even probably true.


These ancient languages like Arabic and Hebrew are related to each other and have many similarities; because Abraham, the father of the Hebrew, was an Iraqi who lived in the city of Ur, then he crossed the river Euphrates and went to the land of Canaan :) Jordan), then his son Ismael lived at Mecca and was the father of some tribes of the Arab of Hijaz (Mecca and neighboring cities).
The other son of Abraham: Isaac lived in the land of Canaan and was the grandfather of the Israelites.
Therefore, the roots of many words in both languages are similar, like Elohim and ilah …etc.


I think you missed my point...

The word Elohim implies pluralism of the root Eloah, which means 'a god'...ergo Elohim, implies many gods...which is how the Talmud (and yes the Torah too) refers to god...

The Torah was revealed from God Almighty, but the Talmud was not from God; it was written by the scholars of Jews.

If these books were in fact the word of god, why are they all riddled with inconsistencies?

Why did he need someone to write this stuff down, is the creator of the universe functionally illiterate? Could not the creator of the universe etch into the side of a mountain or write into the stars what he expects of his adherents?

The extent to which this god expects us to suspend our disbelief if outrageous...a few books with extremely shadowy origins telling us that it must be followed on pain of hellfire is no evidence that a god exists...

Your contention, and that of billions others, is that God created the universe and everything in it, and after wiping out a few civilizations in some devine tantrum, he settles upon the Jews as his chosen people, and offers them special protection provided they are subservient to his will....but leaves not one single footprint, other than the scriptures, to prove his existence...

That's like playing 3 card monty without a queen...

All scripture was written by scholars and poets...the Pentateuch, Midrash, Talmud, New Testatament, Septaguint and Quran...all written by learned men, worked and reworked to drive a political agenda...

The monotheism was before Abraham and even before Noah; it is from the time of Adam who was a prophet, to whom God revealed the monotheism and he taught it to his sons.

So it was not the people of Catal Huyuk worshipping the spirit of the volcano that was the source of their obsidian trade? Archaelogical evidence would seem to support this...

And who taught the Hindus about their pantheon of gods?

The Vedas predate the Torah by about 500 years...
 

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Your opinion is wrong, as usual.

This is your assertion; you don't agree to my opinion, as don't I agree to yours. And it is your opinion that is obviously wrong and double fold wrong.

After all the fatuous nonsense you've posted about life on Mars and comets being fireballs and how temperature affects gravity and so on, it's obvious your opinions aren't grounded in reality.

I again say there is life on Mars and some other planets, while the comets being large sparks coming out of the sun, which you don't think correct, and will not be convinced until a comet comes upon you [and even then you may say it is a rock with dirty ice, but because of the friction with air, it has inflamed!]

You see Hitchens drink from a bottle of water and assume it's alcohol and he's drunk, because it's simply beyond your conception that a sane and rational man could say the things he does.

Will he put the bottle of water in the pocket of his jacket? Don't you see the bluish tinge of the liquid in the bottle. Moreover, this atheist is a drukard and he is known before all people and before his family for this additction to alcohol.
Moreover, I didn't say he was drunken, which means he was under the effect of large amount of alcohol at the moment, but he was drunkard: i.e. an addict to alcohol.

You've clearly stated that you think disbelievers are insane and corrupt, and you should probably be grateful the disbelievers here didn't respond in kind to that grotesque insult.

The shcizophrenic (and the schizoid) is not insane; he is a patient and ill; but the insane is the one that denies the Creator Whose existence is a must, and works contrary to the good-pleasure of his Lord and will lose in his forever future life and will suffer there, and be disperate of the everlasting prosperity of Paradise because of his denial and stubbornness.

I'll take Hitchens' version of sanity and rationality over yours any day. In the words of the inimitable Jack Nicholson, you can't handle the truth.

You may take whatever you choose, but to me I take the word of God in the Quran
18: 29-30
وَقُلِ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكُمْ فَمَن شَاء فَلْيُؤْمِن وَمَن شَاء فَلْيَكْفُرْ إِنَّا أَعْتَدْنَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ نَارًا أَحَاطَ بِهِمْ سُرَادِقُهَا وَإِن يَسْتَغِيثُوا يُغَاثُوا بِمَاء كَالْمُهْلِ يَشْوِي الْوُجُوهَ بِئْسَ الشَّرَابُ وَسَاءتْ مُرْتَفَقًا . إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ إِنَّا لَا نُضِيعُ أَجْرَ مَنْ أَحْسَنَ عَمَلًا
The explanation:
(But Say [O Mohammed: "It is] the truth [revealed] from your Lord [O associaters];

so whosoever likes [to believe – let him] believe, and whosoever likes [to unbelieve – let him] unbelieve;
[surely] We have prepared for wrong-doers a fire of which the 'black tent-enclosure' [: the smoke of the Fire] shall encompass them;
and if they cry for help, they will be helped with a water like 'boiling turbid oil' [of sesame] which will roast surfaces;
how evil the drink, and how bad that to recline on!

[Surely, as to] those who believe and do [works of] righteousness, We suffer not to be lost the recompense of those acting aright.