The hurricane may start as a sandstorm - Part 2

[eanassir]

The hurricane may start as a sandstorm​

Part 2​

Stages of the hurricane Aad:​

God – be glorified - said in the Quran 77: 1-6​

وَالْمُرْسَلَاتِ عُرْفًا .فَالْعَاصِفَاتِ عَصْفًا . وَالنَّاشِرَاتِ نَشْرًا . فَالْفَارِقَاتِ فَرْقًا . فَالْمُلْقِيَاتِ ذِكْرًا . عُذْرًا أَوْ نُذْرًا​

The explanation:
(1- [I swear] by the [winds] loosed [on the tribe of Aad, which are] well-know [to you!]
2- And that storming tempestuously!
3- And that ripped throug the land like the saw [scattering destruction!]
4- Then separated them apart [one from another!]
5- And [by that event] they [: the storms] made an admonition [to people!]
6- Whether you be [children] excused, or [adults] warned [: the punishment will involve them all.)​

God – be glorified – said also in the Quran 79: 1-5​

وَالنَّازِعَاتِ غَرْقًا .وَالنَّاشِطَاتِ نَشْطًا . وَالسَّابِحَاتِ سَبْحًا . فَالسَّابِقَاتِ سَبْقًا . فَالْمُدَبِّرَاتِ أَمْرًا​

The explanation:
(1- [I swear] by [the winds] that plucked out [a people] immersed [in their sins, and cast them away!]
2- And that rushed with increasing speed!
3- And started swimming [through the air!]
4- And outstripped [horses and every creature on earth!]
5- And threw the am'r [: genies (or demons) and souls] on their backs!)
The interpretation:
The "pluckers" here means the severe storms [: and hurricanes] that pluck man out of his [hiding] place and throw him on the ground, causing his death.​

The "immersed" means the disbelievers that are immersed or drowned in their sins. These were the tribe of Aad [near Yemen], on whom God loosed the storms and hurricanes and exterminated them.​

>> ([I swear] by [the winds] that plucked out [a people] immersed [in their sins, i.e. it plucked people and cast them away causing their death!] )​

This is a threatening oath, which means:
If you do not believe in Me and in My apostle, I will loose on you some storms similar to the storms that I sent on the people of Aad, and these storms exterminated them.​

Then He – be glorified – started to describe those storms:
>> (And that rushed with increasing speed!): it means that stormy wind started to increase gradually until it annihilated them completely.​

>> (And started swimming [through the air!] )​

>> (And outstripped [- with its speed - horses, gazelles and every creature on earth!] )
[Horses may run at 38 miles per hour, and cheetah may initially run at 120 km per hour.]​

>> (And threw the am'r [: genies (or demons) and souls] on their backs!)
It means: It throws the genies (demons), souls and any creature that is in its way.​

[N.B. It appears from this aya that genies (or demons) are mightier than people, but in spite of this, the hurricanes cast them away, and they cannot resist such violent storms.]

And there are many other ayat in the Quran about these storms that exterminated the tribe of Aad.​

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[ShintoMale]

How Hurricanes Form and Die
Hurricanes need four conditions to form:

* low air pressure
* warm temperatures
* moist ocean air
* tropical winds (near the equator).

Hurricanes form in the tropics, over warm ocean water (over 80ºF or 27ºC) and at latitudes between 8° and 20°, Hurricanes form mostly from June through November (hurricane season). These powerful storms are fueled by the heat energy that is released when water vapor condenses (turns into liquid water -- rain).

A hurricane goes through many stages as it develops:

1. It starts as a tropical wave, a westward-moving area of low air pressure.
2. As the warm, moist air over the ocean rises in the low air pressure area, cold air from above replaces it. This produces strong gusty winds, heavy rain and thunderclouds that is called a tropical disturbance.
3. As the air pressure drops and there are sustained winds up to 38 miles per hour, it is called a tropical depression.
4. When the cyclonic winds have sustained speeds from 39 to 73 miles per hour, it is called a tropical storm (storms are given names when they begin to have winds of this speed).
5. The storm becomes a hurricane when there are sustained winds of over 73 miles per hour.


The End of a Storm:
When a hurricane travels over land or cold water, its energy source (warm water) is gone and the storm weakens, quickly dying.

 

[darkbeaver]

Could it be that there is a translation problem with the word hurricane. Where does the word come from anyway?

 

[Scott Free]

The problem is that Mohammad was a psychotic idiot that liked making sh!t up and shooting his mouth off about things he had no way knowing anything about.

 

[darkbeaver]

I don't know the guy so I can't really say one way or the other.

 

[eanassir]

How Hurricanes Form and Die
Hurricanes need four conditions to form:

* low air pressure
* warm temperatures
* moist ocean air
* tropical winds (near the equator).

Hurricanes form in the tropics, over warm ocean water (over 80ºF or 27ºC) and at latitudes between 8° and 20°, Hurricanes form mostly from June through November (hurricane season). These powerful storms are fueled by the heat energy that is released when water vapor condenses (turns into liquid water -- rain).

A hurricane goes through many stages as it develops:

1. It starts as a tropical wave, a westward-moving area of low air pressure.
2. As the warm, moist air over the ocean rises in the low air pressure area, cold air from above replaces it. This produces strong gusty winds, heavy rain and thunderclouds that is called a tropical disturbance.
3. As the air pressure drops and there are sustained winds up to 38 miles per hour, it is called a tropical depression.
4. When the cyclonic winds have sustained speeds from 39 to 73 miles per hour, it is called a tropical storm (storms are given names when they begin to have winds of this speed).
5. The storm becomes a hurricane when there are sustained winds of over 73 miles per hour.


The End of a Storm:
When a hurricane travels over land or cold water, its energy source (warm water) is gone and the storm weakens, quickly dying.

This is correct; but the point is: is there any relation between the whirling sand wind of the desert in triggering the formation of these hurricanes; this may or may not be.
In other words: is the hot sandy wind of the desert resemble some seed for such severe storms?

Comment:

• In the ayat of the Quran that I cited; there is a mentioning that these winds have some relation to scattering or mennowing effect of the wind that were set against the people of Aad.
• There is also some mentioning in the interpretation of these ayat that these winds outstripped the horse in its speed (horses may run 38 miles per hour: here it may be called a "tropical storm". Of course it is not stated in the Quran as 38 miles per hour; because such expression was not recognized at that time.
• Then these stormy winds ripped through the land of the disbelievers like the saw.
• And it caused much destruction, and took seven nights and eight days (it may be it came on them in the morning and end at the sunset of the eighth day) until it exterminated them all.

 

[eanassir]

The problem is that Mohammad was a psychotic idiot that liked making sh!t up and shooting his mouth off about things he had no way knowing anything about.

I here remember what the foolish disbelievers (among Pharaoh's people) said cocerning the miracles of Moses; they mocked him until they were drowned in the Red Sea.

Therefore, don't think - because you see yourself far from the hurricanes that you are safe; God captures every man and animal by the forelock.

I saw the butcher pull the sheep by its forelock before slaughtering it, and it will be helpless in such instance.

This is in the Quran

11: 56 Hood said to his people: Aad ​

إِنِّي تَوَكَّلْتُ عَلَى اللّهِ رَبِّي وَرَبِّكُم مَّا مِن دَآبَّةٍ إِلاَّ هُوَ آخِذٌ بِنَاصِيَتِهَا إِنَّ رَبِّي عَلَى صِرَاطٍ مُّسْتَقِيمٍ​

The explanation:
("Truly, I have relied on God, my Lord and your Lord [to preach the religion;

there is no beast [: 'mobile being'] but He does grasp it by its forelock [and has full control of it],

and surely my Lord is Straightforward [: Just, Who does not wrong anyone, in spite of being All-Mighty.]")​

 

[eanassir]

I don't know the guy so I can't really say one way or the other.

What's this uncle Dark? Everyday you have an avatar!:smile: :smile:
But beware of what you wear; see it is only some idol. See it is a statue of a man hanged on the cross,
which is contrary to the First Commandment: "Don't take for yourself a staute or a graven thing out of the earth or the heaven above or the waters below the earth, to adore them and prostrate yourself to such a thing; for I am your Lord: a Jealous God."

 

[Scott Free]

I don't know the guy so I can't really say one way or the other.

Really? You should read his book.

 

[eanassir]

Really? You should read his book.

Everyday, we find something interesting included in the Glorious Quran.

And it is not enough that you read this Book, but to contemplate and ponder on its revelations ayat); moreover you should understand its meaning, then to discern its implication.

This is in the Quran 4: 82

أَفَلاَ يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْآنَ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ غَيْرِ اللّهِ لَوَجَدُواْ فِيهِ اخْتِلاَفًا كَثِيرًا​

The explanation:
(Will they not ponder the Quran?
If it had been from [anyone] other than God, they would have found therein much variation [from the ancient heavenly books, contradicting the monotheism.] )​

 

[eanassir]

Could it be that there is a translation problem with the word hurricane. Where does the word come from anyway?

[Mid-16th century. Via Spanish < Taino hurakán "god of the storm"]

​

1. severe storm: a severe tropical storm with torrential rain and extremely strong winds. ​

Hurricanes originate in areas of low pressure in equatorial regions of the Atlantic or Caribbean, and then strengthen, traveling northwest, north, or northeast.​

2. high wind: a wind of above 119 km/74 mi per hour, classified as force 12 or above on the Beaufort scale​

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[darkbeaver]

What's this uncle Dark? Everyday you have an avatar!:smile: :smile:
But beware of what you wear; see it is only some idol. See it is a statue of a man hanged on the cross,
which is contrary to the First Commandment: "Don't take for yourself a staute or a graven thing out of the earth or the heaven above or the waters below the earth, to adore them and prostrate yourself to such a thing; for I am your Lord: a Jealous God."

Those in the avatar are not what they seem to be EA, have you never watched Monty Python? I have no craven images no stone idols and no connection with the myth nailed to the barn beams.The man was a construct from diverse preceeding cultures, he was a reader who familiarized himself with myth and built his character from there insinuated himself into the scene of the day made numerous mistakes ****ed up and was legally executed by and in accordance with the proper authority of the day, end of story?, no, his secret homosexual lover, Saul, and the idiot Peter conspired with ever ready early Italian mafia figures who very nearly destroyed the civilized world in thier steeped ignorance and gluttony for blood and souls and gold. Your god is jealous and mine is a disinterested gardner who dosen't care what we do as long as we stay off the lawn and keep the noise down.
Why are you so bloody worried about the afterlife? It's automatic EA, the rules are simple and eternal if you live as a good kind generous person you go instantly to paradise with no questions asked and no waiting in line, it matters not if you've heard of Jesus or Mohammad or whoever the Jews talk to and there's no real requirment to bend pray sacrifice or pay the least bit of attention to any of the fifty billion volumns of maps and plans to get to heaven. I could be wrong, if so, an all powerful forgiving singularity would slap my wrist pat my head and maybe i'd have to do some community service but in the end the old guy would have to admit that I wasn't a trouble maker and I did know how to party responsibly. I am definately on the way to heaven in fact I can't really see how I can get out of it. I hope that partially addresses your concern. Relax EA ,try to be laidback for just half of the day I'll see you in heaven and you can show me arround and what you've done in the fifty or so years since you left this mortal coil. You are going first I think.:lol:

 

[eanassir]

Those in the avatar are not what they seem to be EA, have you never watched Monty Python?
Why are you so bloody worried about the afterlife? It's automatic EA, the rules are simple and eternal if you live as a good kind generous person you go instantly to paradise with no questions asked and no waiting in line, it matters not if you've heard of Jesus or Mohammad or whoever the Jews talk to and there's no real requirment to bend pray sacrifice or pay the least bit of attention to any of the fifty billion volumns of maps and plans to get to heaven.
I could be wrong, if so, an all powerful forgiving singularity would slap my wrist pat my head and maybe i'd have to do some community service but in the end the old guy would have to admit that I wasn't a trouble maker and I did know how to party responsibly. I am definately on the way to heaven in fact I can't really see how I can get out of it. I hope that partially addresses your concern.
Relax EA ,try to be laidback for just half of the day I'll see you in heaven and you can show me arround and what you've done in the fifty or so years since you left this mortal coil. You are going first I think.:lol:

I haven't seen this movie, DB.​

It may be I am going to go first :smile: I asked Abu abd- Allah once: "Do you long for the afterlife?" He said: "Yes, I do; I desire to go to the afterlife to meet my Lord and I hope to prosper in Paradise and I believe in God alone." ​

It can't be as simple as you imagine: anyhow if man is of good conduct and conscience, it may be God will guide him. God is very good; and in fact it is He that is good. ​

To demonstrate this, I tell you, something better than this movie: it is this tale from the Quran 18: 32-45 It is the story of two men: one of them was an associater associated his prophets, religious leaders, idols or others with God in the worship and service; so he worshipped and glorified them as did he worship and glorify God: making them as rivals, associates or peers together with God):​

So this associater was rich: he had many sons, and much wealth; he had two gardens of fruits on both sides of a river; the river went inbetween the two gardens; among the fruit trees there were vegetables. So he was in much grace and prosperity.​

He, seeing himself in this situation, denied the next world and the Judgment, and has the illusion that God loved him so that He offered to him all this grace, while in fact He was trying him to see will he be grateful and believe, or will he be ungrateful and blaspheme.​

The other one was a believer: a monotheist, who glorified God alone, and made no patrons with his Lord. So here is the story: ​

وَاضْرِبْ لَهُم مَّثَلًا رَّجُلَيْنِ جَعَلْنَا لِأَحَدِهِمَا جَنَّتَيْنِ مِنْ أَعْنَابٍ وَحَفَفْنَاهُمَا بِنَخْلٍ وَجَعَلْنَا بَيْنَهُمَا زَرْعًا ...الخ​

The explanation:
"Mention to them [Mohammed] the parable of two men [who were in Yemen]: For one of them [the associater] We assigned two gardens of grape-vines which We surrounded with date palms; in between the two We placed tillage.
Each of those [two] gardens brought forth its fruit, and failed not in the least thereof.
And We caused a river to flow in the middle of the two.​

And he had fruit [ripen and ready for culling].
And he said to his comrade [the monotheist], when he was conversing with him: "I am more than you in wealth, and stronger in respect of men."
And he went into his garden, having wronged himself [because of his association]; said he: "I do not think that this will ever perish."
"Nor do I think that the Hour [of Judgment] will ever occur; and if I am indeed returned to my Lord, I shall surely find a better estate than this." [He thought God loved him and so He gave him all that grace, so in case there will be an afterlife, He will not punish him, because He loved him!]​

His comrade [the monotheist] said, when he was conversing with him: "Do you deny Him Who created you from earth [: created Adam, your father from earth], and then [Adam's sons started to reproduce] from scanty [seminal] fluid, then fashioned you into a man?"
"But I do testify that God is my Lord, and I do not associate anyone with my Lord."
"If only when you entered your garden, [you had thanked God and] had said:
"How Bountiful is God! No power save from God! Don't you see that I am less than you in wealth and children [and in spite of that, I thank God and do not associate with Him anyone]?"
"It may be that my Lord will give me [something] better than your garden, and that He will send on it an unexpected calamity from heaven so it becomes like slippery sand."
"Or its water may sink deep [in the earth], so that you cannot get at it."​

So all his fruit was overtaken [with ruin], and he started wringing his hands [turn over his both hands with his sorrow] for what [money] he had spent on it, while it was completely ruined, and [kept up] saying: "Would I had never associated anyone with my Lord."​

And he had not any party, apart from God, to defend him, nor was he victorious [over his comrade.]​

Then, in such case, the help comes only from God to the truthful; He is Best to reward [in this World] and Best for the consequence [in the Hereafter.] "​

 

[ShintoMale]

This is correct; but the point is: is there any relation between the whirling sand wind of the desert in triggering the formation of these hurricanes; this may or may not be.
In other words: is the hot sandy wind of the desert resemble some seed for such severe storms?

Comment:

• In the ayat of the Quran that I cited; there is a mentioning that these winds have some relation to scattering or mennowing effect of the wind that were set against the people of Aad.
• There is also some mentioning in the interpretation of these ayat that these winds outstripped the horse in its speed (horses may run 38 miles per hour: here it may be called a "tropical storm". Of course it is not stated in the Quran as 38 miles per hour; because such expression was not recognized at that time.
• Then these stormy winds ripped through the land of the disbelievers like the saw.
• And it caused much destruction, and took seven nights and eight days (it may be it came on them in the morning and end at the sunset of the eighth day) until it exterminated them all.

dry sand winds from a desert CANNOT develop into hurricanes

 

[eanassir]

dry sand winds from a desert CANNOT develop into hurricanes

You may be right or may be wrong; this has been my personal idea which may be correct or it may be a mistake; just as said in a past reply. But I think most probably it is correct.

The idea came to my mind when I saw some countries like Iraq having the drought little rain for this year), and most of the time it is blowing dust, and there is much dust in the sky and in the air most of the time; so I said: Glory be to God! Is there any correlation between the dust of such countries as Iraq and the frequent storms of America this year too?

So I tried to make comparison between the weather in Iraq and some other countries for few days; but truly I couldn't find any correlation; may be because the distance between such countries and America is so far.

Then I saw that somebody had also the same idea, but concerning the Sahara of Africa, which may be more reasonable.

It may be the whirling dust wind on the land may lead to formation of stronger storms on the ocean, which will strengthen the storm then into hurricane which will die on the land.

Then I referred to the story of the hurricane that afflicted the people of Aad and its interpretation.

So you say: it CANNOT; you may be right; I don't insist; but why not the beginning may be on the land, then the ocean will strengthen the wind into storm then into hurricane which will ultimately die out on the land?

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[darkbeaver]

I haven't seen this movie, DB.​

It may be I am going to go first :smile: I asked Abu abd- Allah once: "Do you long for the afterlife?" He said: "Yes, I do; I desire to go to the afterlife to meet my Lord and I hope to prosper in Paradise and I believe in God alone." ​

It can't be as simple as you imagine: anyhow if man is of good conduct and conscience, it may be God will guide him. God is very good; and in fact it is He that is good.

To demonstrate this, I tell you, something better than this movie: it is this tale from the Quran 18: 32-45 It is the story of two men: one of them was an associater associated his prophets, religious leaders, idols or others with God in the worship and service; so he worshipped and glorified them as did he worship and glorify God: making them as rivals, associates or peers together with God):​

So this associater was rich: he had many sons, and much wealth; he had two gardens of fruits on both sides of a river; the river went inbetween the two gardens; among the fruit trees there were vegetables. So he was in much grace and prosperity.​

He, seeing himself in this situation, denied the next world and the Judgment, and has the illusion that God loved him so that He offered to him all this grace, while in fact He was trying him to see will he be grateful and believe, or will he be ungrateful and blaspheme.​

The other one was a believer: a monotheist, who glorified God alone, and made no patrons with his Lord. So here is the story: ​

وَاضْرِبْ لَهُم مَّثَلًا رَّجُلَيْنِ جَعَلْنَا لِأَحَدِهِمَا جَنَّتَيْنِ مِنْ أَعْنَابٍ وَحَفَفْنَاهُمَا بِنَخْلٍ وَجَعَلْنَا بَيْنَهُمَا زَرْعًا ...الخ​

The explanation:
"Mention to them [Mohammed] the parable of two men [who were in Yemen]: For one of them [the associater] We assigned two gardens of grape-vines which We surrounded with date palms; in between the two We placed tillage.
Each of those [two] gardens brought forth its fruit, and failed not in the least thereof.
And We caused a river to flow in the middle of the two.​

And he had fruit [ripen and ready for culling].
And he said to his comrade [the monotheist], when he was conversing with him: "I am more than you in wealth, and stronger in respect of men."
And he went into his garden, having wronged himself [because of his association]; said he: "I do not think that this will ever perish."
"Nor do I think that the Hour [of Judgment] will ever occur; and if I am indeed returned to my Lord, I shall surely find a better estate than this." [He thought God loved him and so He gave him all that grace, so in case there will be an afterlife, He will not punish him, because He loved him!]​

His comrade [the monotheist] said, when he was conversing with him: "Do you deny Him Who created you from earth [: created Adam, your father from earth], and then [Adam's sons started to reproduce] from scanty [seminal] fluid, then fashioned you into a man?"
"But I do testify that God is my Lord, and I do not associate anyone with my Lord."
"If only when you entered your garden, [you had thanked God and] had said:
"How Bountiful is God! No power save from God! Don't you see that I am less than you in wealth and children [and in spite of that, I thank God and do not associate with Him anyone]?"
"It may be that my Lord will give me [something] better than your garden, and that He will send on it an unexpected calamity from heaven so it becomes like slippery sand."
"Or its water may sink deep [in the earth], so that you cannot get at it."​

So all his fruit was overtaken [with ruin], and he started wringing his hands [turn over his both hands with his sorrow] for what [money] he had spent on it, while it was completely ruined, and [kept up] saying: "Would I had never associated anyone with my Lord."​

And he had not any party, apart from God, to defend him, nor was he victorious [over his comrade.]​

Then, in such case, the help comes only from God to the truthful; He is Best to reward [in this World] and Best for the consequence [in the Hereafter.] "​

I read once some guy said " considered arguments of fools who worship at the temples of stupidity cost nothing and are worth just that and no more" not that you are a fool or overly considered. What makes you think you know god and I don't, faith and nothing but. I don't need it I live in the palm of her hand and I don't make a move without her similar to the obediance you have with your perspective of god.
When god is tired of me she'll let me lay down beside still waters and light up a joint and die, even if I was busy at the time. I can only hope that you find some peace before you find yourself dead someday and remember my advise belatedly.
I will be in the thereafter where the grass is greener, there over the hill and arround the bend. That was a good but borrowed argument EA, it shows up early and is widely dispersed and exceedingly simple ,suitable for bulk conversion among the teeming newly conquered lands, the christian phamlets of today are still stuffed with essentially the same thing aimed at the masses of mindless burger eaters. That's not me, I only eat handmade burgers with meat I"v strangled myself. May the sun continue to illuminate your shortening steps. :smile:

 

[eanassir]

I read once some guy said " considered arguments of fools who worship at the temples of stupidity cost nothing and are worth just that and no more" not that you are a fool or overly considered. What makes you think you know god and I don't, faith and nothing but. I don't need it I live in the palm of her hand and I don't make a move without her similar to the obediance you have with your perspective of god.
When god is tired of me she'll let me lay down beside still waters and light up a joint and die, even if I was busy at the time. I can only hope that you find some peace before you find yourself dead someday and remember my advise belatedly.
I will be in the thereafter where the grass is greener, there over the hill and arround the bend. That was a good but borrowed argument EA, it shows up early and is widely dispersed and exceedingly simple ,suitable for bulk conversion among the teeming newly conquered lands, the christian phamlets of today are still stuffed with essentially the same thing aimed at the masses of mindless burger eaters. That's not me, I only eat handmade burgers with meat I"v strangled myself. May the sun continue to illuminate your shortening steps. :smile:

I shall not speak to you out of courtesy; because courtesy may obscure the truth.
:smile: ​

• Your words are mysterious, which indicates they are not true.

Speak clearly what is this in her palm you are?
From where have you derived your words? And on which basis have you based your belief? And which heavenly book says such a thing?
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• Moreover, the example of the subject of death has a deep implication; it is a challenge:

Because some Jews and others claimed they are preferred by God, and they are the "Chosen People of God" and they are the "beloved sons of God, and God is their father"
Therefore, God – be glorified – challenged them if they indeed were the beloved of God, and so He is going to reward them and will not punish them in the afterlife (or the thereafter as you called it), then they should long for death in order to go to Paradise which is certainly better than this World.
But in fact they desire for this World rather than the next afterlife; because they are sinners and associaters and deniers of the apostles of God; so they will certainly lose; therefore they desire for this World and cling to it, and run away from the remembrance of death which is inevitable fate.

This is in the Quran 62: 6-8​

قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ هَادُوا إِن زَعَمْتُمْ أَنَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء لِلَّهِ مِن دُونِ النَّاسِ فَتَمَنَّوُا الْمَوْتَ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ . وَلَا يَتَمَنَّوْنَهُ أَبَدًا بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ . قُلْ إِنَّ الْمَوْتَ الَّذِي تَفِرُّونَ مِنْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مُلَاقِيكُمْ ثُمَّ تُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "O you of Jewry, in case you claim that you are favorite friends of God, apart from other people, then do you long for death if you are truthful [in your claim.]"

But they will never long for it [: the death], because of [the sins and the wrong] that their hands have forwarded [to the Hereafter]; God is All-Knowing about the wrong-doers [: the Jews who wrong people and plunder their rights.]

Say: "The death from which you flee will surely encounter you, then shall you be brought back to [God] Who knows that [of your works is hidden and that is open]; and then He shall inform you of what [evil works] you have done.)
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• Now about the burger, :smile: you should eat of the beef-burger that is slaughtered by mentioning the name of God alone on it; it means - frankly speaking - : I may eat of the meat when the butcher is a Muslim or a Jew, but I shall not eat of the meat when the butcher is a Christian unless I am certain that this Christian does not say Jesus is God or the son of God or is enthusiastic about him, but he only says that Jesus was an apostle of God, and that such a butcher does not drink alcohol. That is because they almost do not mention the name of God alone when they slaughter the animal (and many of them say " In all instances it is only some protein, whether you mention or not the name of God).

I heard from Abu abd-Allah that the slaughtering method of Jews is similar to that of Muslims.

If I know that even the Muslim or the Jew is an associater and enthusiastic or he is evildoer and does not mention the name of God when slaughtering the animal, then I shall not eat of his food including the slaughtering of animals.
This is according to the Quran 6: 121​

وَلاَ تَأْكُلُواْ مِمَّا لَمْ يُذْكَرِ اسْمُ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَإِنَّهُ لَفِسْقٌ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(But eat not of that over which God's name has not been pronounced [at the time of slaughtering or shooting]; it is abomination.)

However, other kinds of food that do not include slaughtered animal meat, it is allowed to be eaten.

We find this in the aya 5: 5​

الْيَوْمَ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حِلٌّ لَّكُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلُّ لَّهُمْ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(Now, 'wholesome and pure' [kinds of meat] are made lawful to you [that were unlawful to Jews.]
The food of those who were given the Scripture [: Jews and Christians] is lawful to you, as is your food lawful to them…etc.)


eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[darkbeaver]

Of course I will give this post of yours my immeadiate attention as always is my way. I am printing it off and will study it closely to discover if you have indeed insulted me.

• "Your words are mysterious, which indicates they are not true. "
• I have read all of this sentence all ready and it 's incorrect. More later after I'v had my coffee and cannibis which I am allowed to smoke.
• Speak clearly what is this in her palm you are? Clay EA I am nothing more than clay in her palm. It's an obvious truth.:smile:
  

 

[Risus]

Really? You should read his book.

Couldn't be bothered wasting my time... its all BS

 

[darkbeaver]

I shall not speak to you out of courtesy; because courtesy may obscure the truth.
:smile: ​

• Your words are mysterious, which indicates they are not true.
• Your words are mysterious and exotic to me but my own native courtesy and just plain good breeding would never let me come right out and cast doubt on your words directly. I mean we shouldn't just blurt out something that appears obvious,I prefer a more subtle and gently suggestive means of correction.
  

Speak clearly what is this in her palm you are?
From where have you derived your words? And on which basis have you based your belief? And which heavenly book says such a thing?
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• Moreover, the example of the subject of death has a deep implication; it is a challenge:

I'm in the palm of gods hand. I have derived my words from the aether whence everything comes. I base my belief in gods love and adoration of me mostly because I am still here. I'm standing on the only valid book there is in my reach and that would be the earth itself , beneath my feet live the multitutes of life. Death is the greatest teacher and challenge of life.

Because some Jews and others claimed they are preferred by God, and they are the "Chosen People of God" and they are the "beloved sons of God, and God is their father"
Therefore, God – be glorified – challenged them if they indeed were the beloved of God, and so He is going to reward them and will not punish them in the afterlife (or the thereafter as you called it), then they should long for death in order to go to Paradise which is certainly better than this World.
But in fact they desire for this World rather than the next afterlife; because they are sinners and associaters and deniers of the apostles of God; so they will certainly lose; therefore they desire for this World and cling to it, and run away from the remembrance of death which is inevitable fate.

This is in the Quran 62: 6-8​

قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ هَادُوا إِن زَعَمْتُمْ أَنَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء لِلَّهِ مِن دُونِ النَّاسِ فَتَمَنَّوُا الْمَوْتَ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ . وَلَا يَتَمَنَّوْنَهُ أَبَدًا بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ . قُلْ إِنَّ الْمَوْتَ الَّذِي تَفِرُّونَ مِنْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مُلَاقِيكُمْ ثُمَّ تُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ​

The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "O you of Jewry, in case you claim that you are favorite friends of God, apart from other people, then do you long for death if you are truthful [in your claim.]"

But they will never long for it [: the death], because of [the sins and the wrong] that their hands have forwarded [to the Hereafter]; God is All-Knowing about the wrong-doers [: the Jews who wrong people and plunder their rights.]

Say: "The death from which you flee will surely encounter you, then shall you be brought back to [God] Who knows that [of your works is hidden and that is open]; and then He shall inform you of what [evil works] you have done.)

There are plunderers and there are plunderers and they are the work of god set here amongst us to temper our gratitute and reverance for life every speck of it even the parasites. As for Jews and thier problems well they'll have to work it out same as every other life form nothing is free you have to give to recieve. I detect the slightest tendency, in your Jewish story above , to doubt the wisdom of gods machinations with the Jews, this could bloom into heresy if you leave it unattended too long EA. They're here for a reason, never doubt the hand of god in that arrangement. What might that reason be I hear you thinking as your wife reads this to you while feeding you grapes and keeping the flies off your head. I haven't any idea.

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• Now about the burger, :smile: you should eat of the beef-burger that is slaughtered by mentioning the name of God alone on it; it means - frankly speaking - : I may eat of the meat when the butcher is a Muslim or a Jew, but I shall not eat of the meat when the butcher is a Christian unless I am certain that this Christian does not say Jesus is God or the son of God or is enthusiastic about him, but he only says that Jesus was an apostle of God, and that such a butcher does not drink alcohol. That is because they almost do not mention the name of God alone when they slaughter the animal (and many of them say " In all instances it is only some protein, whether you mention or not the name of God).
• I revere the flesh I'm about to recieve, without fail I am properly thankfull. I never let christians near anything of mine.
  
• I'm uncomfortable talking meat with someone who has no understanding of the slow barbacued maple sugared porkchop from a pig stuffed by hand while it was alive with 1 half ton of apples plums tomatoes corn. This is truely the work of god and her gift to good guys like me, there is no finer meat anywhere on this planet reserved for all right thinking people but denied to Muslims and Jews because of some old sin they both committed in the distant past. I can tell you with all due seriousness you are deprived of an eating experiance that I frequently share directly with god and her approval. God loves porkchops. Now do you have any explaination for that? And you are not obliged to take my word for that EA you may google it go ahead, pork chops are the favourite meat on this planet. Why are you guys treated by god in this manner.
  

I heard from Abu abd-Allah that the slaughtering method of Jews is similar to that of Muslims.

If I know that even the Muslim or the Jew is an associater and enthusiastic or he is evildoer and does not mention the name of God when slaughtering the animal, then I shall not eat of his food including the slaughtering of animals.
This is according to the Quran 6: 121​

وَلاَ تَأْكُلُواْ مِمَّا لَمْ يُذْكَرِ اسْمُ اللّهِ عَلَيْهِ وَإِنَّهُ لَفِسْقٌ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(But eat not of that over which God's name has not been pronounced [at the time of slaughtering or shooting]; it is abomination.)

However, other kinds of food that do not include slaughtered animal meat, it is allowed to be eaten.

We find this in the aya 5: 5​

الْيَوْمَ أُحِلَّ لَكُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتُ وَطَعَامُ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حِلٌّ لَّكُمْ وَطَعَامُكُمْ حِلُّ لَّهُمْ ..الخ​

The explanation:
(Now, 'wholesome and pure' [kinds of meat] are made lawful to you [that were unlawful to Jews.]
The food of those who were given the Scripture [: Jews and Christians] is lawful to you, as is your food lawful to them…etc.)


God has placed absolutly no restrictions on what I may eat, the rule is if I can shove it in my mouth and swallow it, it's mine.:lol:

eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

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