Greatest Empire Ever

Socrates the Greek

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I'm obviously a little biased but I'd have to say the Persian Empire. It was probably the only humanitarian empire the world has seen.


Tehran Tim, not acording to this info, the Brit Empire was just British Britain 425 years 1583 to present, How are the Brits the longest Empire when we see the numbers bellow?

Venetian Northeast Italy 1100 years 697 1797
Byzantine Asia Minor 1123 years 330 1453 Ceased after the conquest of Constantinople by the OttomanTerm conventionally used since the 19th century to describe the Greek-speaking Roman Empire during the Middle Ages. Total Roman Empire (East and West) 1906 years:

Islamic Mecca 1313 years 610 1923 It started from the Prophet and down to the Caliphs then to the Ummayads then to the Abbasids then to the Seljuk Turks then to the Ottomans Turks.
 

Socrates the Greek

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If you look at China's empire as a whole, with highlights upon the Tang dynasty and the Han dynasty, I would say the Chinese empire is relatively the "greatest".

Keep in mind that the Chinese Dynasties of the Tang Dynasty and the Han Dynasty were more interested in them self’s rather then sharing their inventions and knowledge of 12,000 years with the rest of the world, Chinese mentality at that time and partly today was and is very private and the rest of the world was completely irrelevant to both of these Dynasties.

I tip my hat to the power of the Roman empire, but there are very few things things that the Romans had that the Chinese didn't have and more.

Also, the very fact that the entity of the Roman empire does not exist and the Chinese entity empire does to this day. Imperial China has 5,000 years of history, and the Chinese civilization has existed for even longer. Namely the Shang dynasty that has records from 12,000 B.C.

Unlike the Roman Empire, the Chinese Empire can say that there was a point in their history when the entire wealth of the rest of the world was incomparable to the wealth of China.
The Greek and Roman time was more interested in intellectual teaching than bragging on how they are better from the rest of the world in wealth which they aquiered by mostly killing off other Dinastys in the Asian region.

China's trade, in the Tang dynasty especially, was monumental. Silk was equivalent to gold, and was created in pre-history China.

When the near invincible Mongol army began conquering Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and China, it took the longest to conquer China (40-50 years); however, it took a minimal amount of time to conquer Rome (but I recognize the fact that Rome was already on its decline).

THIS IS A POOR COMPARISON

The Chinese cultural has deeper roots than any other culture, not saying this out of bias, but just out of historical evidence and historical time. The Chinese cultural has so far been impossible to bring down, despite the rule of foreigners for two times. And for each time (Mongols and Manchurians), the foreigners failed to defeat the entity of China, and many would say that they became "chinese themselves".

China's main historical issue was that it had too many civil wars. Every time there would be even a 30 year peace, the economy of China would sky-rocket. Despite a history of internal strife, China still retains a constent identity even while rulers are being replaced, foreigners are taking over, etc.

The Roman empire was never truly unified under one standard. Ever since the Qin empire, all the standards, namely language, has been united.

It can be said that the Roman empire's unity was largely due to its military. In the Chinese empire, it did take many wars to unite China after another separation, China remained unified by culture.

Yes, the Romans had domination over the Mediterranean, but their ships were incomparable to the Chinese ships (especially in the Ming dynasty).

Where the Romans can be seen as "greater" is in their desire to conquer other lands. China for the longest period in history had the greatest potential to take over much of the world(with its population, cultural identity, nationalism, and advancement); howevever, China never really had an interest in imperialism--unlike the British and others.

Unlike Rome, China has always "existed", and Rome can be said to have been "created" and then "disappeared."

I think a sad reality is that much of the world that is eurocentric view China as the image it had during European imperialism. At the time, China was being ruled by Manchurians who had hindered China's economy drastically by limiting trade. The Manchu empress was uneducated and beheaded any advisor that believed that China had to change ("people who were once barbarians and lesser are now able to defeat us"--one advisor). This quote is quite racist, i know, but it refers to the view of China on the Japanese--who's culture was learned from China.

Imperialism, Japanese invasions, rise of Communism, weakeness of the Manchu government were all factors that contributed to the later humiliation of the Han people of china.

Modern-day western views generally take from the lowest point in Chinese history.


I know it's hard to win my argument with a bunch of fluffy comments. But here's a self-test if you doubt my opinion:

Take any time in European history (I'm serious. Any time.)- preferably before the Imperialistic Era in Europe. You'll find that during any time in European history, the Chinese empire was alive and strong. And if you think that it is only because China had a minimal amount of competition, look at the Mongols, as I earlier stated: Mongolians who basically had no standing army but an army on horseback, easily took over eastern Europe and the Middle East, while taking the longest to take over China. This is also the reason why China experienced the greatest brutality from Mongolia, when the Mongolians went into China, they found it to be...well too populated, and literally began to lower the population by execution. I mean really, what other nation that has experienced mass genocide could still continue to hold rebellions and revolutions, and eventually become a world power again?

But anyways, I can say that I definitely know more about European history than Chinese history; but it doesn't take a lot to realize the great extent of the Chinese empire.

LOOK, all you say here is describing your essay on how China was and is better than the rest of the world.

Hey hold on here, China has a stupid historical record in Human rights in the past 200 years. Comparing how the Chinese Empire is the greatest thing that happened on mother earth, that is stretching the truth to a level that is ridiculously bias. I think the topic here is on which empire was great in Ancient times in terms of the best contribution to humanity, not how much they had or have in plutocratic term.
 

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China was created, even to this day it isn't fully unified. That is why there is still more than one Chinese language.

2.) The Mongols never fought rome, the Huns did. They were not the Khanate, Attilla and Ghengis are different.

The Mongols also ruled China the longest, they didn't stop running large tracts of China until 1945. Don't forget that the Manchu were Mongolians. It wasn't until the 20th century (post boxer rebellion) they finally collapsed, and not until 1945 their remaining control in Manchuria was taken away.

China had its highs and low points, to claim all of Chinese culture is "one empire" is like claiming that all Greek culture is one empire.

In which case Rome, Constantinople, Britain (and its empire) and even America are all "Greek".
 

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Greatest Empire is definately the British Empire between 1300-1900, they won so many wars and conquered so much territory, and they didn't get all their wealth by slavery like the US did.
 
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Welcome to CC Big Lou. Thanks for joining. By just the few posts you've made I sense you are smarter than the average bear. I look forward to reading more of your posts.
 

Socrates the Greek

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Greatest Empire is definately the British Empire between 1300-1900, they won so many wars and conquered so much territory, and they didn't get all their wealth by slavery like the US did.


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the Brit Empire was just British Britain 425 years 1583 to present, How are the Brits the longest Empire when we see the numbers bellow?

Venetian Northeast Italy 1100 years 697 1797
Byzantine Asia Minor 1123 years 330 1453 Ceased after the conquest of Constantinople by the OttomanTerm conventionally used since the 19th century to describe the Greek-speaking Roman Empire during the Middle Ages. Total Roman Empire (East and West) 1906 years:

Islamic Mecca 1313 years 610 1923 It started from the Prophet and down to the Caliphs then to the Ummayads then to the Abbasids then to the Seljuk Turks then to the Ottomans Turks.
 

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Do I have to say something here ?

By the way, the Brits and the French and the Spanish cared more about the Spice Islands, of the Caribbean than about the 13 colonies where the Amistad slave ship came from (after Africa) and where a significant source of slavery originated. Even the French Admiral who shut down the harbor at Yorktown to end the American rebellion to Britain, first took his Ship to the Caribbean to fight a British threat down there and for them to pick up gold and protect commerce.
 

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i'm gonna say the Chinese Empire. they have given great influence on Asia for so long now, and their influence is now stretching through out the world. they have made great accomplishments and their economy is very rich. plus they are also very polite people too
 

Socrates the Greek

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i'm gonna say the Chinese Empire. they have given great influence on Asia for so long now, and their influence is now stretching through out the world. they have made great accomplishments and their economy is very rich. plus they are also very polite people too


The Chinese Emperors were not interested in sharing their 12000 year old history with the world, at the height of their time in power. They were more interested in killing one another in Asia and claim superiority amongst them self’s. They did not want outside influence at their time. In short the rest of the world at the time was not benefiting from their existence although they had a 12000 year old history. Nothing Great about that!
The Brits the same, they were not interested in helping the world instead they were in full force colonizing and exploiting vulnerable peasants.
 

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The Chinese Emperors were not interested in sharing their 12000 year old history with the world, at the height of their time in power. They were more interested in killing one another in Asia and claim superiority amongst them self’s. They did not want outside influence at their time. In short the rest of the world at the time was not benefiting from their existence although they had a 12000 year old history. Nothing Great about that!
The Brits the same, they were not interested in helping the world instead they were in full force colonizing and exploiting vulnerable peasants.
Name one that didn't....
 

Socrates the Greek

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Name one that didn't....

Greek Empire
The term ancient Greece refers to the period of Greek history lasting from the Greek Dark Ages ca. 1100 BC and the Dorian invasion, to 146 BC and the Roman conquest of Greece after the battle of Corinth. It is generally considered to be the seminal culture which provided the foundation of Western civilization. Greek culture had a powerful influence on the Roman Empire, which carried a version of it to many parts of Europe. The civilization of the ancient Greeks has been immensely influential on the language, politics, educational systems, philosophy, science, and arts, giving rise to the Renaissance in Western Europe and again resurgent during various neo-Classical revivals in 18th and 19th century Europe and the Americas.


 

Socrates the Greek

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That doesn't mean they didn't colonize and supress.


Hi Zarchov, the Ancient Greeks offered the world knowledge on many subjects. Alexander the Grate as you may know was an ancient Greek born in Macedonia; he was the only Macedonian with a military ambition against some parts of the world. The rest of the Ancient Greeks were more interested in sharing their knowledge, than killing or exploiting others for their wealth.
 

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The Chinese Emperors were not interested in sharing their 12000 year old history with the world, at the height of their time in power. They were more interested in killing one another in Asia and claim superiority amongst them self’s. They did not want outside influence at their time. In short the rest of the world at the time was not benefiting from their existence although they had a 12000 year old history. Nothing Great about that!
The Brits the same, they were not interested in helping the world instead they were in full force colonizing and exploiting vulnerable peasants.
Not all British rulers exploited the peasants, for example, Oliver Cromwell (England's only Dictator) wasn't recorded having done anything like that, and Queen Elizabeth I didn't exploit peasants either.
 

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Not all British rulers exploited the peasants, for example, Oliver Cromwell (England's only Dictator) wasn't recorded having done anything like that, and Queen Elizabeth I didn't exploit peasants either.

Big L
I am sure minor examples exist, in general that was the main purpose of colonization by the Brits to increase their range of traded goods being that certain countries don’t have the same exporting commodities. So, colonization at one point was huge at the Brits peak.
This description below is real…….



""""“They colonized India 1000's of years ago because India was a rich country. India had world's best diamond Kohinoor, spices, gold and silver. The cloth in India was very cheap at that time.
The British colonized India to look for the spices and gold and silver but when they saw that Indians were fighting among themselves they eventually control over India.
The Indians then saw that the Brits came to India for wealth but they are taking control of their land. The Brits stole Indian things and became very rich. They asked Indians to give their land to them but Indians didn't agree with that and tried their best to get independent and free. Persons like Mahatma Gandhi, bhagat singh, rajguru, sukhdev, jawarharlal nehru, subhash chandra bose told the helped the people by giving them hope that one day we will get independent. they give their lives to help India get free and independent. the Brits were expecting Indians to change their religion and become Christians. The Indians started wearing British clothes, shoes and tried to follow British fashion and technology but Gandhi tld people to burn British clothes and start follow our religion and culture.
the Brits colonized India for almost 200 years. But finally India got freedom on 15th august 1947. Just after one year Dr. Ambedkar finished writing the constitution and laws of India on 26th January which is celebrated as republic day.
The Indians struggled a lot and salute to those people who died and helped India to get independent"""".
 

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what about the Japanese empire? they had, and still do have a rich and beautiful history. then it was the samurai, their very polite ways, the geisha. and now its their technological advances, their courtesy, and still remain very polite to one another. their economy is very calm and courteous, and they work together to support eachother, an ideal economy
 

BigLou

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Big L
I am sure minor examples exist, in general that was the main purpose of colonization by the Brits to increase their range of traded goods being that certain countries don’t have the same exporting commodities. So, colonization at one point was huge at the Brits peak.
This description below is real…….



""""“They colonized India 1000's of years ago because India was a rich country. India had world's best diamond Kohinoor, spices, gold and silver. The cloth in India was very cheap at that time.
The British colonized India to look for the spices and gold and silver but when they saw that Indians were fighting among themselves they eventually control over India.
The Indians then saw that the Brits came to India for wealth but they are taking control of their land. The Brits stole Indian things and became very rich. They asked Indians to give their land to them but Indians didn't agree with that and tried their best to get independent and free. Persons like Mahatma Gandhi, bhagat singh, rajguru, sukhdev, jawarharlal nehru, subhash chandra bose told the helped the people by giving them hope that one day we will get independent. they give their lives to help India get free and independent. the Brits were expecting Indians to change their religion and become Christians. The Indians started wearing British clothes, shoes and tried to follow British fashion and technology but Gandhi tld people to burn British clothes and start follow our religion and culture.
the Brits colonized India for almost 200 years. But finally India got freedom on 15th august 1947. Just after one year Dr. Ambedkar finished writing the constitution and laws of India on 26th January which is celebrated as republic day.
The Indians struggled a lot and salute to those people who died and helped India to get independent"""".
Hmm, well that's how all cultures became powerful: conquering and converting them to their cause.
 

BigLou

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what about the Japanese empire? they had, and still do have a rich and beautiful history. then it was the samurai, their very polite ways, the geisha. and now its their technological advances, their courtesy, and still remain very polite to one another. their economy is very calm and courteous, and they work together to support eachother, an ideal economy
Yeah, Japan is and always has been very honorable and powerful.