The earthquakes that follow the total solar eclipse.

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No cite? No reference? Nice story, but it sounds like self-serving fiction to me. Can you offer any reliable, independent corroboration of it? The original cites you gave don't say anything about fire swallowing people up. Earthquakes generally don't have such effects.
 

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No cite? No reference? Nice story, but it sounds like self-serving fiction to me. Can you offer any reliable, independent corroboration of it? The original cites you gave don't say anything about fire swallowing people up. Earthquakes generally don't have such effects.

Earthquake can cause many serious burns, explosions, cleavage and depression of the land, and even can lead to eruption of volcanoes, and some eruption of some volcanoes may cause the quaking of the earth.

See these two links:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/homefront.html
"Assistance to the earthquake victims in Turkey
In the early morning hours on August the 17th 1999 Northwestern Turkey was hit by an earthquake of 7.4 on the Richter force scale which lasted 45 seconds. At daybreak Turkey was confronted by a new reality. Tens of thousands of buildings had collapsed, oil refineries were ablaze, and tens of thousands of people were presumed missing. The Turkish authorities had appealed for help to the international community, and foreign rescue missions began pouring into Turkey.
"The Prime Minister of Israel and the acting Minister of Security Ehud Barak had instructed the Home Front Command to prepare to launch a rescue mission. The first Israeli rescue team had landed on the Turkish soil in the late afternoon of August the 17th and was assigned by the Turkish authorities to undertake rescue operations on the Navy base at the town of Gulcuk. When the dimensions of the disaster became apparent, two more Israeli rescue teams and a field hospital unit were dispatched to Turkey. When it turned out that an Israeli family was buried under the rubble of a house in a Turkish resort town of Cinercik, an IDF rescue team was sent there immediately in an attempt to save them. After four days of intense effort little Shiran Franko was rescued alive and well and reunited with her mother Iris who succeeded in freeing herself. The bodies of the Israelis who died under the debris of the collapsed building were brought to Israel for burial. Overall, the Israeli S&R teams have recovered 12 survivors and 140 bodies. The IDF field hospital set up at the town of Adafasi had treated 1,200 injured, performed 40 major operations and delivered 15 babies."
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http://islamicweb.com/resources/earthquacke_turkey.htm
"Some Islamic leaders in Turkey gave a very important speech in the summer of 1999, during which they talked about the earthquake that happened in Turkey. According to them as reported by many Turkish newspapers and the BBC, the purpose of this earthquake (and Allah knows best) was a party that was held on the beach in Turkey in one of the naval bases. Three thousand people attended that party. Of these, thirty people were Israeli Generals, more than thirty were American Generals, and the rest were Turkish Secular Generals, singers, and dancers.
The celebration was held in order to celebrate the retirement of some Turkish Generals. The party started off with drinking alcohol and dancing by the Israeli and Turkish Secular dancers. During the party, a Turkish General ordered a sergeant to bring him a copy of the Holy Qur'an. The sergeant brought the Holy Qur'an and gave it to the General. The General asked the sergeant to read a part of it, which he did, and then he asked him to translate it, but the sergeant apologized because he didn't know. Then, the General took the Holy Qur'an, ripped it off, and threw it under the feet of the Israeli dancers and said: “Where is the One Who revealed this Qur'an and said 'We have, without doubt, sent down the message; and we will assuredly guard it (15:9)' So where is that God to protect and guard His Qur'an?" The sergeant who brought the Qur’an was so scared when he saw this so he quickly left the base and he later told the people about what happened.
 

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  • The building is never more important than the believer in God alone without any associate or equal.
Buildings are more important than people. Well, that's a barbaric and sociopathic attitude.
The idolaters of Mecca said: "We are the custodian of the Ka'aba at Mecca: we give water to the pilgrims, and take care about the House of God; therefore we are preferred by God and certainly we shall go to Paradise in the afterlife; therefore, no need to convert and become Muslims and abandon the idols!"
God – be glorified – answered them in the Quran 9: 19

أَجَعَلْتُمْ سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ كَمَنْ آمَنَ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَجَاهَدَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ لاَ يَسْتَوُونَ عِندَ اللّهِ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

The explanation:
(Do you [: idolaters of Mecca] consider the giving of water to pilgrims and the care about the Inviolable Mosque [at Mecca]

as the same as [the faith of] one:
>> who believes in God [alone, without any associate]
>> and the Last Day [: believes in the Doomsday]
>> and struggles [together with God's messenger] in the way of God?

Not equal are they before God;

and God guides not [to the way of the truth] the people of the wrong-doers.)
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Key phrase there is "God guides not".
  • Do you know or imagine what the wrong-doing is? Do you imagine how the wrong-doer is acting?
One who wrongs you, and shows to you the death every day, torment you with various kinds of torment, beats you, abases you, robs your property, plunders your rights, oppresses you, transgresses on your family members, offends your honor, kills your sons and daughters, and you cannot repel him; because he is stronger than you.

One that takes the property of the orphan who lost his father and he may also have lost his mother, or steal the money or property from the widow that is in so difficult social situation.

One that instead of helping the poor, he increases their suffering, by way of cheating and cunning and deceiving.
You mean like your god has done (according to the holy books)?

How many killers that killed many men causing their sons to be orphans and their women to be widows; and they say he is a poor fellow [like Barabbas] and does not deserve the execution?
Do you say that about the biggest serial killer of all (this god that you expect people to bow to)? According to the Bible, this god has killed more than 10 million people.

Do we know every secret, or is it God the All-Knowing Who knows everything about people, and knows who is the upright, and who is the corrupt?
Yes to both because gods are fashioned after humans .... right from their imaginations.

Therefore, He knows better; He gives them respite, but they prefer to stay on their wrong-doing and disobedience and sins and He misleads them in order to punish them, in the World by various kinds of punishment, and in the next life with other kinds of punishment.
Yup. Just like Dexter said, this god if it exists at all, made people like they are just so it could mete out punishments. It is a sadist of the trillionth order.
  • Moreover, God exterminated many communities of the wrong-doers ( but not of those upright and doing righteousness); as in the Quran 10: 13
وَلَقَدْ أَهْلَكْنَا الْقُرُونَ مِن قَبْلِكُمْ لَمَّا ظَلَمُواْ وَجَاءتْهُمْ رُسُلُهُم بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ وَمَا كَانُواْ لِيُؤْمِنُواْ كَذَلِكَ نَجْزِي الْقَوْمَ الْمُجْرِمِينَ

The explanation:
(We destroyed the generations before you [O Arabs] when they did wrong, and their messengers came to them with the manifest [signs],

but they would not believe[and they unbelieved as have you unbelieved; so We destroyed them with the chastisement];

thus do We recompense the guilty people [among you: Muslims in the future, that We shall destroy them if they do not believe.] )
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And this aya 18: 59

وَتِلْكَ الْقُرَى أَهْلَكْنَاهُمْ لَمَّا ظَلَمُوا وَجَعَلْنَا لِمَهْلِكِهِم مَّوْعِدًا

The explanation:
(Such were the cities [of Aad, Thamood and other cities of the disbelievers];
We destroyed when they committed iniquities [by their denying the apostles of God];
and We fulfilled the threat concerning [the appointed time for] destroying them.)
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[/quote]And who is free of sin? EVERYONE should be punished.
If it were me I would use positive and a little negative reinforements rather than punishment of any kind. But, that's because I love living things.
  • Therefore, don't surprise from their extermination; because they were wronging each other and as a result they were proud over obeying God and His messengers.
Because God is more than you and than me and everyone else concerning His mercy and kindness; but the wrong of such people exceeded the bounds.
There is no mercy and kindness. At best this fictitious being is indifferent. At worst it is a sadistic & sociopathic megalomaniac.

And don't surprise, when you see the West in prosperity in spite of their blasphemy and atheism; God only give them their recompense in this World according to some of their kindness to each other and their kindness to cats and dogs (because they are civilized, other than their transgression on many peoples and nations.)
And He is giving them respite, while their punishment may be about to be imminent, unless they recognize the truth that God is One without associate or equal or son, and should desist from their transgression.
Nuts. People do it to themselves. Either they screw themselves up or they don't.
 

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The story of this devastating earthquake in Turkey

There was a party to celebrate some military (intelligence) officers (Turkish) that have recently been retired; there was cooperation between this intelligence and the Israeli intelligence; there were some Israeli intelligence attending that party.
The celebration party included wine drinking, women, fornication and adultery; then some of the high rank generals brought the copy of the Glorious Quran; he was drunken and started to blaspheme, and tore up the Holy Book, saying: "If there is God, let Him prevent me or punish me!"
A lieutenant saw and heard that, and was afraid, and ran away fearful and excited, and was the eyewitness of this terrible incident.
Meanwhile, the earth cleft and fire came out and devoured all the attendants including the generals, the military intelligence, the Israeli intelligence, and that was the centre of this earthquake.

To indicate that this is true, remember that the Israeli pm went to Turkey immediately following the event, and some of their intelligence were declared to be missing.
I know lots of faerie tales, too. Ever hear the one about the proselytising, bombastic, pontificating withdoctor? ;)
 

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Earthquake can cause many serious burns, explosions, cleavage and depression of the land, and even can lead to eruption of volcanoes, and some eruption of some volcanoes may cause the quaking of the earth.

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Yeah, everyone knows there was a quake in Turkey and people died and were mangled and other people helped out. Big deal.
ABut, again nothing to support your claims? All you have is your book of fiction and your highly imaginative interpretations of it? It isn't enough.
 

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Most of government and religion want a faster, easier, way to ruling.

This is obviously correct.

But there are a large number of miracles and marvels of God's might and creation, in the universe and nature, and yet very few men pay attention to such miracles.

This is in the Quran 12: 105-107

وَكَأَيِّن مِّن آيَةٍ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ يَمُرُّونَ عَلَيْهَا وَهُمْ عَنْهَا مُعْرِضُونَ . وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللّهِ إِلاَّ وَهُم مُّشْرِكُونَ . أَفَأَمِنُواْ أَن تَأْتِيَهُمْ غَاشِيَةٌ مِّنْ عَذَابِ اللّهِ أَوْ تَأْتِيَهُمُ السَّاعَةُ بَغْتَةً وَهُمْ لاَ يَشْعُرُونَ

The explanation:
(And how many signs in the heavens and the earth do they pass by? Yet they turn [their minds] away from them.

But most of them [: their majority] do not believe in God unless that they associate [others with Him.]

Are they secure of the coming on them of an overwhelming torment from God, or the 'hour' [of their death] may come on them suddenly, while they do not perceive!?)
 
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Buildings are more important than people. Well, that's a barbaric and sociopathic attitude.


The building is not more important than the believer in God alone without any associate or equal.

According to the Bible, this god has killed more than 10 million people.


God – be glorified – does not wrong people; it is people that wrong themselves by transgressing on each other and disobeying their Lord, and associating others with Him.

This is in the Quran 10: 44
إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ النَّاسَ شَيْئًا وَلَكِنَّ النَّاسَ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ

The explanation:
(God wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.)

And there are a large number of the ayat in the Quran indicating the same meaning.


And who is free of sin? EVERYONE should be punished.


All people are sinners, but sins differ in their seriousness; whether the sinner is intending or by mistake; does he insist on the sin, or does he regret? Is the sinner associating with God, or is he a monotheist that does not associate anyone or anything with God? Is the sin concerning some wrong-doing against other people or only to himself? Is the sin concerning a major disobedience of the Ten Commandments, or it is some minor thing between man and his Lord, …etc.


Moreover, God – be glorified – is Clement; He gives them respite that they would repent and desist from their atheism and transgression; and He postpones their punishment.

This is in the Quran 16: 61
وَلَوْ يُؤَاخِذُ اللّهُ النَّاسَ بِظُلْمِهِم مَّا تَرَكَ عَلَيْهَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ وَلَكِن يُؤَخِّرُهُمْ إلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَإِذَا جَاء أَجَلُهُمْ لاَ يَسْتَأْخِرُونَ سَاعَةً وَلاَ يَسْتَقْدِمُونَ
The explanation:
(If God should take men to task for their evildoing, He would not leave on [the earth] one creature that moves;

but He is deferring them to a term stated [: He postpones their punishment to the world of souls following their death];


and when their term [: their hour of death] is come they shall not put it back by a single hour nor put it forward.)




It means: none can delay their hour of death or bring it earlier, even for one hour.​


If it were me I would use positive and a little negative reinforements rather than punishment of any kind. But, that's because I love living things. There is no mercy and kindness. At best this fictitious being is indifferent. At worst it is a sadistic & sociopathic megalomaniac.


I don't think that if it were you, you would do such good.

See how many people do blaspheme and nothing afflicts them immediately, and how many men do wrong and oppression and yet they are not instantly punished.



 
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Eanassir:
Oh. So...Eanassir...You think I think the world is miracle-free?

I believe in miracles, however I am not explaining about miracles. To me, the world is all right. Everyone can has different opinions and different views of this world.

Most of government and religion want a faster, easier, way to ruling.

The governments cheat. They consult the spiritual leaders. Most of the spiritual leaders hardly know how to become perfect. When people does not use the perfect spiritual leaders, there are flaws. The flaws often become side effects.

The easier and faster ways often contain side effects such as: extra illusions, mistakes, or lost of physical parts.

Why do you worry, Eanassir?
If you find this world too dark, you need a break. Maybe a vacation can help to reduce your signs of aging and pessimistic views? Usually old people say things like this. The world is not miracle-free. The miracles does follow a pattern. People are still safely analyzing the pattern. When the people can finally declare the pattern's truth, most people are dead. I think the pattern has something to do with the distortion of the atomic structure. The previous sentence is my guess.

I am alive. I am alive right now. Do you want me dead?
 

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Why do you worry, Eanassir?
If you find this world too dark, you need a break. Maybe a vacation can help to reduce your signs of aging and pessimistic views? Usually old people say things like this... I am alive. I am alive right now. Do you want me dead?

I have nothing to do with the death for myself or anyone else; because this is up to God alone.

However, the death is a good admonishing to every man, but of course when man gets older, he should remember the death every day.

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 62: 6-7
قُلْ يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ هَادُوا إِن زَعَمْتُمْ أَنَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء لِلَّهِ مِن دُونِ النَّاسِ فَتَمَنَّوُا الْمَوْتَ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ .وَلَا يَتَمَنَّوْنَهُ أَبَدًا بِمَا قَدَّمَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ
The explanation:
(Say [O Mohammed]: "O you of Jewry, in case you claim that you are favorite friends of God, apart from other people, then do you long for death if you are truthful [in your claim; in order to go to the next world and prosper there!]"

But they will never long for it [: the death], because of [the sins and the wrong] that their hands have forwarded [to the Hereafter]; God is All-Knowing about the wrong-doers [: the Jews who wrong people and plunder their rights.])


Then following this God said in the same chapter 62: 8
قُلْ إِنَّ الْمَوْتَ الَّذِي تَفِرُّونَ مِنْهُ فَإِنَّهُ مُلَاقِيكُمْ ثُمَّ تُرَدُّونَ إِلَى عَالِمِ الْغَيْبِ وَالشَّهَادَةِ فَيُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا كُنتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ
The explanation:
(Say: "The death from which you flee will surely encounter you, then shall you be brought back to [God] Who knows that [of your works is hidden and that is open]; and then He shall inform you of what [evil works] you have done.)

And I asked Abu abd-Allah: "Do you long for death?"
He said: "Yes, I do; I wish to go for meeting of my Lord and be in Paradise, by God's favor and grace."

This is in the Quran 89: 27-30
يَا أَيَّتُهَا النَّفْسُ الْمُطْمَئِنَّةُ .ارْجِعِي إِلَى رَبِّكِ رَاضِيَةً مَّرْضِيَّةً .فَادْخُلِي فِي عِبَادِي .وَادْخُلِي جَنَّتِي
The explanation:
("O you, soul having sure [belief]!" [These words are said to this soul after death.]

"Return to [the neighborhood of] your Lord, well-pleased [with the reward and prosperity], and well-pleased with [by God!]"

"And [following death] enter into [the Paradise of Lodging, and be] with My [righteous] servants."

"And enter into My Paradise [of Everlasting, on the Day of Judgment.]")


eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io
 

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This is obviously correct.

But there are a large number of miracles and marvels of God's might and creation, in the universe and nature, and yet very few men pay attention to such miracles.

This is in the Quran 12: 105-107

وَكَأَيِّن مِّن آيَةٍ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ يَمُرُّونَ عَلَيْهَا وَهُمْ عَنْهَا مُعْرِضُونَ . وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللّهِ إِلاَّ وَهُم مُّشْرِكُونَ . أَفَأَمِنُواْ أَن تَأْتِيَهُمْ غَاشِيَةٌ مِّنْ عَذَابِ اللّهِ أَوْ تَأْتِيَهُمُ السَّاعَةُ بَغْتَةً وَهُمْ لاَ يَشْعُرُونَ

The explanation:
(And how many signs in the heavens and the earth do they pass by? Yet they turn [their minds] away from them.

But most of them [: their majority] do not believe in God unless that they associate [others with Him.]


Are they secure of the coming on them of an overwhelming torment from God, or the 'hour' [of their death] may come on them suddenly, while they do not perceive!?)
They don't pay attention to them as miracles. They wisely pay attention to them as natural phenomena.
What really IS a miracle that normally intelligent people get extremely irrational about mythical and fictitious tales of superstitious claptrap.
 
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The building is not more important than the believer in God alone without any associate or equal.
Make up your mind. In one post you say buildings are more important and in this post you say they aren't.






God – be glorified – does not wrong people; it is people that wrong themselves by transgressing on each other and disobeying their Lord, and associating others with Him.


This is in the Quran 10: 44

إِنَّ اللّهَ لاَ يَظْلِمُ النَّاسَ شَيْئًا وَلَكِنَّ النَّاسَ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ

The explanation:

(God wrongs not people in anything, but it is people who do wrong themselves.)



And there are a large number of the ayat in the Quran indicating the same meaning.







All people are sinners, but sins differ in their seriousness; whether the sinner is intending or by mistake; does he insist on the sin, or does he regret? Is the sinner associating with God, or is he a monotheist that does not associate anyone or anything with God? Is the sin concerning some wrong-doing against other people or only to himself? Is the sin concerning a major disobedience of the Ten Commandments, or it is some minor thing between man and his Lord, …etc.




Moreover, God – be glorified – is Clement; He gives them respite that they would repent and desist from their atheism and transgression; and He postpones their punishment.



This is in the Quran 16: 61


وَلَوْ يُؤَاخِذُ اللّهُ النَّاسَ بِظُلْمِهِم مَّا تَرَكَ عَلَيْهَا مِن دَآبَّةٍ وَلَكِن يُؤَخِّرُهُمْ إلَى أَجَلٍ مُّسَمًّى فَإِذَا جَاء أَجَلُهُمْ لاَ يَسْتَأْخِرُونَ سَاعَةً وَلاَ يَسْتَقْدِمُونَ


The explanation:
(If God should take men to task for their evildoing, He would not leave on [the earth] one creature that moves;



but He is deferring them to a term stated [: He postpones their punishment to the world of souls following their death];




and when their term [: their hour of death] is come they shall not put it back by a single hour nor put it forward.)






It means: none can delay their hour of death or bring it earlier, even for one hour.​
Nah, according to your book, the Bible, etc. these gods are all sociopathic mass mirderers. The trouble with just about every faith I've ever heard of is that they ASSume that all people are inherently evil. I am damned sure that most people are inherently good and only mess up on occasion. These philosophies have an extremely low opinion of humanity. That's hardly noble or benificent.​







I don't think that if it were you, you would do such good.
I don't care. There is more evidence that I would do better as a god than there is for your myth.



See how many people do blaspheme and nothing afflicts them immediately, and how many men do wrong and oppression and yet they are not instantly punished.

.... and some never are "punished". They die peacefully in their old age.​


 

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Confused...

This is obviously correct.

But there are a large number of miracles and marvels of God's might and creation, in the universe and nature, and yet very few men pay attention to such miracles.

This is in the Quran 12: 105-107

وَكَأَيِّن مِّن آيَةٍ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ يَمُرُّونَ عَلَيْهَا وَهُمْ عَنْهَا مُعْرِضُونَ . وَمَا يُؤْمِنُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ بِاللّهِ إِلاَّ وَهُم مُّشْرِكُونَ . أَفَأَمِنُواْ أَن تَأْتِيَهُمْ غَاشِيَةٌ مِّنْ عَذَابِ اللّهِ أَوْ تَأْتِيَهُمُ السَّاعَةُ بَغْتَةً وَهُمْ لاَ يَشْعُرُونَ

The explanation:
(And how many signs in the heavens and the earth do they pass by? Yet they turn [their minds] away from them.

But most of them [: their majority] do not believe in God unless that they associate [others with Him.]

Are they secure of the coming on them of an overwhelming torment from God, or the 'hour' [of their death] may come on them suddenly, while they do not perceive!?)

You think people don't pay attention to the miracles? If that is the case, Eanassir, I don't think you paid attention to them either. The government pays attention. They simply pretends the signs doesn't exist.
 

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You think people don't pay attention to the miracles? If that is the case, Eanassir, I don't think you paid attention to them either. The government pays attention. They simply pretends the signs doesn't exist.

typingrandomstuff, :smile: as soon as possible, I shall reply to you, by God's will.