Is there proof of life after death

[L Gilbert]

Just because you lost power to your TV, or your TV just dies, or you just turn it off yourself, doesn't mean the information still isn't there.

Nope but if the signal disappears, your tv might as well be dead whether it's on or not. In the original post the article said that scientists did not find low oxygen levels in the brains of these people, yet they were under severe enough cardiac distress to die? Scuse me but interrupted/no/limited blood flow means interrupted/no/limited oxygen supply. People have amazing hallucinations when oxygen is not supplied to the brain.

 

[L Gilbert]

If you know what life is and are living , then you don't look for any proofs" of life after death".

Perhaps YOU don't seek the info, but an awful lot of others do. Otherwise why would we have such a thing as curiosity if we didn't seek info that things are as they are?

Beside the body;what is it that dies ?

What is in it maybe?

 

[Tonington]

Scientists investigating 'near-death' experiences say they have found evidence to suggest that consciousness can continue to exist after the brain has ceased to function.

I have a better idea for a take on that study. How about, evidence of brain perception after brain function cessation? If your heart stops, you can be brought back to life. That's because aside from your heart not working, the rest of your body can be in fine working order.

All your heart needs is a current to stimulate blood flow again. If your blood has adequate amounts of oxygen, then cells can still survive while ATP is manufactured. The classification of living things puts us at a point where individual cells can still function as smaller organisms like bacteria. We're just not as good at functioning in that way, as those specialized one-celled organisms are.

When the blood flow is brought back, then your brain can communicate with the rest of your body through chemical signals. Diffusion of solutes in your cells can keep your body viable before that. So while technically your body isn't functioning, it can remain suspended. I'm not at all surprised that when your body reboots, your brain is a little mixed up and you perceive many things that aren't really there, and weren't really there. Hell that happens when some people wake up before they've had a good nights sleep. Hell that can happen to a computer when the power supply spikes.

Besides which, the only real proof of the afterlife is in the afterlife. And that's going to be a pretty relative experience I would think, if one exists as many religions postulate. And that's all these near death experiences are, a relative experience.

 

[eanassir]

The soul, spirit and after-death life are clearly defined and explained in the book Man after Death by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly; this book that I have translated and published by Al-Ilmiyah bookstore at Beirut; and you find at the website:
http://man-after-death.site.io​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Soul_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#Features_of_the_Soul_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#Formation_of_the_Soul_Inside_the_Body_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_Death_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Soul_after_Death_​

And many other subjects.​

 

[quandary121]

The soul, spirit and after-death life are clearly defined and explained in the book Man after Death by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly; this book that I have translated and published by Al-Ilmiyah bookstore at Beirut; and you find at the website:

http://man-after-death.site.io​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Soul_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#Features_of_the_Soul_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#Formation_of_the_Soul_Inside_the_Body_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_Death_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Soul_after_Death_​

And many other subjects.​

In one of the articals you have posted it states
http://man-after-death.site.io

the soul will remain alive in the world of souls: eating, drinking, seeing, hearing, perceiving and feeling the pleasure and pain

i find this hard to believe as pain surly requires a nervous system to function ...???

 

[quandary121]

i have read some Islamic books on the journey of the soul after death ,i don't have them with me, as I'm at my folks house and will be here until august 1,but when i return home i will dig them out and post some extracts, i found it very interesting as they stated that the soul leaves through the nostrils, and that when astral traveling you are connected though the same the nostrils, where in other books Ive read say that we are connected through the stomach the belly button and both books say that it is a silver coloured cord.?

 

[quandary121]

whereas the soul gets out from above: from the mouth or from the nose.

this also confirms what Ive said about the other book Ive read

 

[eanassir]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/986177.stm
Evidence of 'life after death'
Seriously-ill patients reported "near-death" experiences

See this idea; which may prove many facts about the "after-death life":​

Take a camera of the old type (not the new computerized camera); the old camera like the old Kodak with an old film (with its silver nitrate substance that is sensitive to light); let this film be of good quality.​

Go to some hall or an office or a theatre that will be empty of people at night [or day time], let this hall be quiet, and dark; don't open a door or move any furniture, don't breathe deeply, don't smoke, don't sneeze or cough or speak loudly; no fan should be in that room; let the room have chairs, seats and couches.​

Don't use the flash for this camera.​

Then go into this hall or office room quietly without stamping heavily on the ground; then take pictures in the darkness without using any flash.​

Then take pictures of the couches and seats ​

You may discover that the camera has picked some persons (souls of some dead persons), and may be some other observations, like some illuminating ethereal tree branches.​

I myself prefer to ignore the existence of such "world of souls"; truly I am afraid of doing such an experiment; but anyone who finds interest may discover – by means of this way – some interesting information. ​

Bad or evil trees
"Some of Photographers found, in their films, some photographs of trees or branches that were picked by their cameras, by chance and without being aware of them, in places where there were no trees. This may take place when the light given to the film is very little, so that the film comes out devoid of the picture of the man who was in front of the camera, but – in stead – he will find a picture of a tree or one of the branches of a tree in spite of that the place is devoid of trees, but he doesn't know the reason for that, and does not understand that there are ethereal trees which are unseen by the living beings, but that the cameras pick them by chance, in spite of that some of the people are not aware about the existence of the ethereal trees. ​

A photograph of an ethereal branch has been picked by the camera of a photographer at Hilla [in Iraq], and that was in one of his house rooms." [This photograph is not available now: the interpreter gave it to me once; there was an illuminating branch of a tree; it was not a spark; the branch has some thickness and it shone with some illuminating light; I lost it; and how much I searched about it, but could not find it; if I find it, I may put it in the website, and may show it in this Canadian Content forum.]​

eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[L Gilbert]

The soul, spirit and after-death life are clearly defined and explained in the book Man after Death by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly; this book that I have translated and published by Al-Ilmiyah bookstore at Beirut; and you find at the website:

http://man-after-death.site.io​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Soul_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#Features_of_the_Soul_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#Formation_of_the_Soul_Inside_the_Body_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_Death_​

http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Soul_after_Death_​

And many other subjects.​

Again, that is not proof of anything. I can provide proof that there was a gingerbread house in which a witch lived who ate children, in that case.

 

[eanassir]

In one of the articals you have posted it states
http://man-after-death.site.io

i find this hard to believe as pain surly requires a nervous system to function ...???

The soul is a true copy of the body; it is identical with the body in every detail: if the body is tall, the soul is also tall; if the body is short, the soul will similarly be short; and likewise the soul will be fat in case the body is fat, and thin in case the body is thin.

When the eye of the body is small, they eye of the soul will be small too; in the same way the mouth of the soul and every other structure of the body: including the nerves and the nervous system, which may be more sensitive, and will be identical with that of the body.

But there are many differences between the soul and the body: like the heart which will be empty and without blood, and the lung which will be quiet and not breathing.
http://man-after-death.site.io/#Features_of_the_Soul_​

 

[eanassir]

i have read some Islamic books on the journey of the soul after death ,i don't have them with me, as I'm at my folks house and will be here until august 1,but when i return home i will dig them out and post some extracts, i found it very interesting as they stated that the soul leaves through the nostrils, and that when astral traveling you are connected though the same the nostrils, where in other books Ive read say that we are connected through the stomach the belly button and both books say that it is a silver coloured cord.?

Not all books are authorized or correct; many books are full with silly and imaginary fabrications and fairy tales.​

But the Glorious Quran is the authentic word of God, to which no falsehood may come whether in the past or the future; it is a revelation from All-Wise and Praiseworthy God. ​

See at our website:
http://man-after-death.site.io
some subjects like:
http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_the_Cause_of_Death_​

about the soul reaching the throat (Quran 56: 83-87), and in another aya (Quran 75: 26-28): reaching the collar bones – on its way out of the body at the time of death.​

 

[quandary121]

The soul is a true copy of the body; it is identical with the body in every detail: if the body is tall, the soul is also tall; if the body is short, the soul will similarly be short; and likewise the soul will be fat in case the body is fat, and thin in case the body is thin.​

When the eye of the body is small, they eye of the soul will be small too; in the same way the mouth of the soul and every other structure of the body: including the nerves and the nervous system, which may be more sensitive, and will be identical with that of the body.​

But there are many differences between the soul and the body: like the heart which will be empty and without blood, and the lung which will be quiet and not breathing.

http://man-after-death.site.io/#Features_of_the_Soul_​

i read this too..!! but even though i understand this point you are trying to make, i cannot believe that the soul would suffer pain ,my main reason for this is that even though i believe in heaven, i do not believe in a hell hence any pain ...? but i see your point..:lol:

 

[quandary121]

Not all books are authorized or correct; many books are full with silly and imaginary fabrications and fairy tales.​

But the Glorious Quran is the authentic word of God, to which no falsehood may come whether in the past or the future; it is a revelation from All-Wise and Praiseworthy God. ​

See at our website:
http://man-after-death.site.io
some subjects like:
http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_the_Cause_of_Death_​

about the soul reaching the throat, and in another aya: reaching the collar bones – on its way out of the body at the time of death.​

i am reading or i should say have been reading,for some time the "Quran" and a very close friend of mine who is Muslim, is helping me understand more about the teachings, hadiths, she sent me the books.!!" on the journey of the soul" i do believe there authenticity, as she would not send me something that she believed to be misinterpretations or false ,she is very devoted to her faith,and i have alot of respect for her and her faith ...:lol:

also i read that they close the eyes of the dead so that it does not watch the soul departing yes..?

 

[Risus]

Not all books are authorized or correct; many books are full with silly and imaginary fabrications and fairy tales.​

But the Glorious Quran is the authentic word of God, to which no falsehood may come whether in the past or the future; it is a revelation from All-Wise and Praiseworthy God. ​

​

​

Give me a break...

 

[talloola]

What part of the body is the soul located?

 

[eanassir]

What part of the body is the soul located?

The soul is the true copy of the body; it is completely identical with the body.
The body is a material structure, and the soul is its ethereal identical image. ​

The soul coincides with the body size and shape and organs; so that when you see the soul of your relative (and both of you are dead and becoming souls, as will all people die and become souls) you will recognize him or her, and he or she will recognize you.
http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_Man_​

The body will be like a suit that the soul wears, or like a shield which protects the soul. It means the head of the soul will occupy the head of the body, and the hand of the soul will be inside the hand of the body and so on all the ethereal soul will occupy all the material body exactly.

eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

also i read that they close the eyes of the dead so that it does not watch the soul departing yes..?

1. As I understand, the body will be useless following its death, and will disintegrate and decay and at last become dust.

But the soul will be liberated from its body, and will be born to the next world of souls, which is the ethereal or spiritual world, to live there forever.

Then their way of living will be various and different according to their belief (whether they are monotheists and believing in all the apostles and prophets including Prophet Mohamed, and believing in all the heavenly books including the Quran; or not believing in all that.)

2. It may be that some acts like closing the eyelid of the dead is only some way of honoring the dead, whose soul may be still in the vicinity and is seeing what his family members are doing to his body.

Another reason, is that immediately following death, the muscle will relax, so that his relatives can move the hand and eyelid of the body or the corpse, and it will yield to them, but after a while, the muscles will stiffen and become hard and cannot be moved, so that if his eyes are open they will remain open and cannot be closed, and his eyes will remain staring which will be an ugly and terrifying scene.

While concerning that closing the eyes is to prevent him watching the soul departure; this is not correct; and nothing of that is in the Quran; and bear in mind that not all the prophetic traditions are authentic; some of such traditions are fabricated and only ascribed to the Prophet that he said it, while in fact he did not say such words.
http://man-after-death.site.io/#The_Body_after_Death_



eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

this also confirms what Ive said about the other book Ive read

See this in the true story of the fainting of a boy the interpreter in his childhood), then when he intended to return to his body, his sister (her soul) told him to return to his body through the nostrils.
http://man-after-death.site.io/#Was_It_Death_or_Fainting_


eanassir
http://man-after-death.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

even though i believe in heaven, i do not believe in a hell hence any pain ...? but i see your point..:lol:

:lol:
quandary121,
Here, I remember a true story from the history:

When the Tatar and Mogul occupied the Islamic countries in the past, by time they converted and became Muslims, but only from outside superficially): not with deep understanding.

Then one of their kings (he was then a Muslim) came to occupy another city in Syria, so a brave righteous man went and said to him: "This is "haram" i.e. forbidden by God, and you will go to Hell if you fight the Muslims and transgress on them."

The king said to him: "What is this "hell"; because no one has ever told me such a thing. (This was out of their hypocrisy: that they told him only about heaven and paradise, because he was the king and they were afraid of him); so this righteous man started to describe for him that there is not only Paradise for the monotheists who work righteousness, but there is also the hell for the disbelievers, the idolaters and evil-doers.

Then that king returned back with his army and did not transgress on that Syrian city.

Therefore, as long as there is Paradise, there is also Hell; that is for justice to be fulfilled and to retaliate for the oppressed from the oppressor.

And if you study the parables of Jesus in the Gospel, you will see that there will be chattering of teeth for those who did not prepare themselves for the next world, and in another parable of the plant: the evil plant grew with the good plant, and the farmer told his workers to keep all till the harvest when the evil will be cllected and burned in the fire.

 

[talloola]

The soul is the true copy of the body; it is completely identical with the body.

The body is a material structure, and the soul is its ethereal identical image. ​

The soul coincides with the body size and shape and organs; so that when you see the soul of your relative (and both of you are dead and becoming souls, as will all people die and become souls) you will recognize him or her, and he or she will recognize you.
http://man-after-death.site.io/#What_Is_Man_​

The body will be like a suit that the soul wears, or like a shield which protects the soul. It means the head of the soul will occupy the head of the body, and the hand of the soul will be inside the hand of the body and so on all the ethereal soul will occupy all the material body exactly.

eanassir

http://man-after-death.site.io​

So, your answer to my question is, 'it is invisible'. Sorry, I'm not embracing that
story.
The soul is just another word that is connected to religious beliefs, nothing real
or proven to be an actual part of the body.
If you can prove to me that the soul actual exists, I will listen, and when I say prove,
I don't mean what you 'believe' to be true.