My vision [or night dream] about Jesus

[Dexter Sinister]

God – be glorified – did not say in the Quran that He forbade the pork for this reason, nor had He said so in the Torah. He only said: do not eat the pork.​

Yes I know neither the Quran nor the Torah offer reasons for their dietary rules. You did: you claimed people who eat pork will behave like pigs, one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard and completely unsupported by any evidence. Now you're claiming you've observed that people can change to physically resemble creatures they spend a lot of time with, and you offer that in support of your original claim, not realizing it's a completely separate claim and just as dumb. Didn't you learn anything about cause and effect in medical school, or how to observe and analyze evidence? I can't believe you're any good as a diagnostician with thinking skills like that.
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[look3467]

Trying to dictate observances of the law to people will only kill the spirit of the soul which the law was intended to do.

The law condemns and does not give life! The law addresses what is already but does not touch the heart.

Speak rather to those things which lead to life rather than to condemnation.

For from condemnation is where we all need to rise from, for originally, we are all condemned, are placed in the dark if you will, and any light given to wards salvation from that condemnation is what the souls seek.

So why not shed light on the darkness that is, and help someone rise above it, leaving the heart to change the world.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[Scott Free]

"The religion of one age is the literary entertainment of the next." - Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

[look3467]

I'll agree with that!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[eanassir]

I don't personally place any credit on dreams but do respect others who do.
For salvation came not by the law but by grace.
Love can not be topped, but everything else below it can.

We see tens of dreams every night, but most of that will be forgotten.
I saw only several dreams that are worthy and true. This I think is applied to all people.

This dream about Abu-abdAllah, the Christ and the two angels was very clear, true and in fact it was a vision.
Click here:
The vision (or the dream)

Truly the salvation will be by the grace of God, to every one that follows all the apostles of God without discrimination the discrimination here is to believe in some and to disbelieve some others.)

If he really believes in Moses, why doesn't he believe in Jesus? And if he believes in Jesus, why doesn't he believe in Mohammed? That is because the sender is the same God. Or else he refuses the will of God, and wants God to follow his own opinion and desire; telling Him: This apostle whom you have sent, I shall believe him; but that apostle, I shall not follow; because he is one of the Arab.
Prophet Ahmed as Mentioned in the Gospel

The Commandment of Love:
Man should love Jesus and all the rest of the prophets, but should love God more than all these apostles. This is in the Quran 2: 165 ​

وَمِنَ النَّاسِ مَن يَتَّخِذُ مِن دُونِ اللّهِ أَندَاداً يُحِبُّونَهُمْ كَحُبِّ اللّهِ وَالَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ أَشَدُّ حُبًّا لِّلّهِ ...​

The explanation: (Yet [some] of people choose [to worship], other than God, rivals [to God]; they love [these rivals] as God should be loved. – But those who believe love God more ardently …)

If you love Jesus, then do not be enthusiastic, in order that Jesus will love you, but if you say about the Christ things that he does not agree on the pretext that you love him; I don't think he will agree, neither will he pat on your shoulder; but he may say to you:

as did he say to the one who merely called him " good teacher" as in the Gospel according to Luke 18: 19 "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good except for one: that is God." ​

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Yes do love Jesus, but do not exaggerate in your love, so that you may ascribe to him the attributes of God, or that he is son of God, or that He is God Himself – this is not logical; this evidently is the top of enthusiasm.​

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If you say: Jesus Christ is the apostle of God, and the son of man; but do not say he is the son of God or he is God Himself, then Jesus will be delighted with you, and God will be pleased with you.​

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eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.741.com​

 

[eanassir]

So why not shed light on the darkness that is, and help someone rise above it, leaving the heart to change the world.

This is in the Quran 14: 1​

الَر كِتَابٌ أَنزَلْنَاهُ إِلَيْكَ لِتُخْرِجَ النَّاسَ مِنَ الظُّلُمَاتِ إِلَى النُّورِ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِمْ إِلَى صِرَاطِ الْعَزِيزِ الْحَمِيدِ​

The explanation: (Alif, Lam, Ra. That means: Recite To people O Messenger.

A scripture [: the Quran] that We have revealed to you [Mohammed] that you may bring people out of darkness [of the ignorance and association with God] into light [of science and knowledge] with permission of their Lord*, to the way of the Almighty, the Praiseworthy.)
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*God guides whomever is worthy of the guidance [being good-hearted and is kind to widows, orphans and the poor]; God will instruct His angels to inspire him that the religion of the Islam is the last heavenly religion, and the Quran is true, and Prophet Mohammed is truthful, and the idols are stones do not know anything, and the idolatry and the association with God should be abandoned; angels will go on inspiring this man such thoughts [and he is usually unaware] until he will be convinced and will convert.

eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com
http://man-after-death.741.com​

 

[BM5]

Actually you know, your last line in your post is me. There are some who won't believe it.

Have you got a problem with that ?

 

[eanassir]

Actually you know, your last line in your post is me. There are some who won't believe it.

Have you got a problem with that ?

This is expected; because you bear in your mind some imagination of Jesus as a super-man; and that he was not as normal and usual as other people; while he called himself "The son of man" in more than seventy times in the Gospel.

eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/

 

[look3467]

Eanassir,

If I were born as you were born, perhaps we’d believe the same things.
But I was not!

Therefore my friend, God has provided us with different localities, different races and differing beliefs.

You would think that God didn’t or does not know what He was doing, based on our selfish beliefs that we are the sole owners of God alone?

I tell you right now, that God knew exactly what He was doing, is doing and will continue to do despite our narrow views of Him.

If God intended all of us to be perfect, He would have created us perfect.
If He intended for all of us to be of the same belief, He would not have allowed another.

What is missing in this whole argument is the ability that God gave us of choice.

No choices, no differences.

Now, because of the gift of choice, would it not behoove us to live like He would like us to rather than to live via our fleshly desires?

Mine and your beliefs though different, yet we still have the choices to do the right things.

For a belief system to believe that theirs is the only true ones and all others false ones borders dangerously on serious consequences for the unbelievers.

A radical take on that would be to eliminate all unbelievers of which is as real as my words are today on this post.

The tooth for a tooth and the eye for an eye philosophy ended as a Moses declaration to that of love your enemies, do good to them that despitefully use you, return good for evil as Jesus nailed it to the cross once and for all.

If you and I can agree to that new standard, than we are brothers of the same God.

We are ruled by what is in our hearts for God rather than the rule of the laws of traditions which only condemns and kills.

You and I can argue all day without either side convincing the other of which way to look at Jesus or Mohammad, and never meet under the umbrella of the spirit of God which is love.
OR, we can meet under the umbrella of Gods love, and agree to practice good towards each other and live peaceably all the days of our lives.

In wining converts to our side, well that can only be done by example. What they see in us is what will determine what kind of God we have and how it may affect them.

But to use the law as a tool to condemn all unbelievers is of absolutely no value.

But rather practice your beliefs, whatever they are, in doing good towards mankind, than and only than will your beliefs carry weight of validity, truthfulness, honesty, integrity and the greatest of all these, love.

So, speak to me of how good God has done by you and how God is working in your life to indicate His presence.
Tell me of changed lives from addictions to substances: or depressions, abuses, failed marriages, financial problems, victims of hate and or discriminations.

God is in the business of changing lives and can only do it with our help, for we are His messengers for good.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[eanassir]

Eanassir,

I tell you right now, that God knew exactly what He was doing, is doing and will continue to do despite our narrow views of Him.

the ability that God gave us of choice.

The tooth for a tooth and the eye for an eye philosophy ended as a Moses declaration to that of love your enemies, do good to them that despitefully use you, return good for evil as Jesus nailed it to the cross once and for all.

we can meet under the umbrella of Gods love, and agree to practice good towards each other and live peaceably all the days of our lives.

Peace>>>AJ

AJ,

God's love is the essence of the religion; but there is some confusion regarding some points:

The Law of Moses of "the tooth for a tooth and the eye for an eye" did not end; this is the law of justice;
neither did the morality instruction of Jesus of "love your enemies, do good to them that despitefully use you, return good for evil", which indicates that the pardon is superior to retaliation.

This means: You cannot say to the judge, in the court of justice, anything more than to give to everyone his rights; but you can tell the opponents to pardon each other.

Moreover, Moses also commanded the forgiveness and pardoning each other; but when justice is required by the oppressed one, then the Law of God is to be fulfilled.

In addition, Jesus cannot command the forgiveness in a way which let the criminal increase in committing more crimes, and that every oppressed one must forgive that.

Prophet Mohammed pardoned his opponents who fought him and tried to kill him and even they killed his uncle and many of his comrades, but when he captured them, he set them free.

This is obvious in the Quran in many ayat that the forgiveness and pardoning is better, but it is the right of the oppressed one to get his rights from the transgressor. God - be glorified - recommended that the forgiveness is better, and the forgiver is more worthy of attaining the forgiveness of God and that God will forgive the man who forgive his brother.

 

[look3467]

God's love is the essence of the religion; but there is some confusion regarding some points:The Law of Moses of "the tooth for a tooth and the eye for an eye" did not end; this is the law of justice; neither did the morality instruction of Jesus of "love your enemies, do good to them that despitefully use you, return good for evil", which indicates that the pardon is superior to retaliation.This means: You cannot say to the judge, in the court of justice, anything more than to give to everyone his rights; but you can tell the opponents to pardon each other.Moreover, Moses also commanded the forgiveness and pardoning each other; but when justice is required by the oppressed one, then the Law of God is to be fulfilled.In addition, Jesus cannot command the forgiveness in a way which let the criminal increase in committing more crimes, and that every oppressed one must forgive that.Prophet Mohammed pardoned his opponents who fought him and tried to kill him and even they killed his uncle and many of his comrades, but when he captured them, he set them free.This is obvious in the Quran in many ayat that the forgiveness and pardoning is better, but it is the right of the oppressed one to get his rights from the transgressor. God - be glorified - recommended that the forgiveness is better, and the forgiver is more worthy of attaining the forgiveness of God and that God will forgive the man who forgive his brother.

I understand what you are saying.
But let us not confuse mankind’s justice with God’s justice.

Because I explain things from the bible, I use the history as written to make my conclusions of what I believe is Gods justice.

There are two sets of justice scales, one God uses and the one mankind uses.
If you read about the complete surrender of Jesus to the authorities of His day; first to the Jewish high priests and then to the gentile authorities, you will see the will of God’s justice done under mankind’s justice.

Jesus who had the Spirit of the father in Him had the power and the might to have defended Himself against any and all of His oppressors, but He didn’t because that was not the will of God the Father.

The will of the Father was that Jesus should submit to the governing authorities in order that complete obedience to God could be won as a man for all mankind.

Mankind’s justice is managed accordingly, changes not, but Gods has. And to that justice change, we are the beneficiaries, you and I and everybody else.

If a person does you harm what are your options? You may forgive them, but if mankind’s laws were broken in the process, then the law applies to that individual.

God on the other hand applied the complete letter of the law to Jesus no exceptions, condemned Him to death and hell as a lamb of sacrifice for us.

There are absolutely no conditions made by God in that sacrifice, no eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, but complete forgiveness without repentance.

What better gift from God could we want?

So would you now say …“the forgiveness and pardoning is better”… on Gods justice?

If then on God’s justice why would we condemn them which God pardons and forgives as thou we were the judge to deny them complete forgiveness, as if we ourselves were the only true ones?

Peace>>>AJ

 

[darkbeaver]

The danger of the pork:
God is the Creator of man, and is Most Gracious and Most Kind; He does not intend to forbid the good food, but to forbid the bad items; like the raven: which is a bird that eats the carcasses of animals. Also He forbade the meat of the dead animal that has not been slaughtered.
If the pork was good, then God would not forbid its eating in the Torah or the Law and in the Quran.
Therefore every wise and intelligent man should be alert to this point, and do not eat the pork.
The reason is that the swine differs from most of the animals (like the cock, the sheep and the ox) in a dangerous way: the swine does not show jealousy concerning its female. So eating its meat will lead to some defect in this important aspect of the life of man with his family. Have you received the idea?

The danger of alcohol consumption:
It is known that alcohol is used an antiseptic; because of its lethal effect on the living cell. This of course is in concentrated alcohol, but even in diluted solution of alcohol, the effect is less and unapparent but there is some effect that will accumulate by time to cause serious destruction of the cells of the liver and the brain and all other tissues.

The alcohol has a serious characteristic of solving fatty substances; so it will permeate all the tissues of the body, including the nervous system which is mainly composed of fatty substances: and this will cause destruction of the nervous tissues of the brain: like the cerebral cortex leading to serious destructive diseases like the Korsakov psychosis: dementia and other consequences.
Other hazards, like liver cirrhosis … etc, are well known.

While the rest of social and psychological harms are so evident that cannot be denied.
Therefore, God – be glorified – forbade it in both the Torah or the Law and the Quran.
The Drinking of Wine

Moreover, Jesus Christ commanded in the Gospel that the Law of Moses has to be followed; the Gospel in fact includes many parables with deep meaning.
The Christ foretold about Prophet Ahmed or Mohammed that would appear after him.
Prophet Ahmed as Mentioned in the Gospel


eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com


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I thought there was some other reason for the injunction against pork.Why would the alleged promiscuity of the female hog raise quality issues? I was expecting a practicle explaination such as disease.

 

[look3467]

The object of the pork, mankind any anything else is the imperfection.

If we put aside for a minute the objectionable practices of all these items listed above, we find that mankind is short!

Short of perfection in spirit, not of the flesh, for the flesh is a marvel of perfection, subject to the conditions of the planet it lives on.

but lets talk about the spirit of man that makes it short of perfection.

Now there is only but one that is good and that is God period, no ifs and buts about it.

Because mankind is made in the image and likeness of God in spirit, meaning that we have the ability to rule our own little kingdom, we become separated from God.

Therefore, everything that is a don't, as in don't do this or don't do that, don't eat this or don't eat that is a scale of perfection that the human spirit can not achieve, no not one person, not any person except God Himself.

When we address the written laws more so than the laws of the spirit, we are doomed to live by them.

If your belief is not to eat pork, than your doomed to eat because the law is your god.

But is you are in the law of the spirit of God, than you are free to eat anything, because the spirit in mankind is reborn to the freedom which Christ has made us in.

Now as for my brother eanassir, because he does not believe as I do in Jesus, he can not be free, but must continue to abide in the written law and one in which if he trespasses, is condemned.

I in the other hand, can trespass my own self only, and meet my own consequences of my indulgence's.
But of God, I am in Christ as Christ is in God and we all are one as Jesus prayed:
Joh 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


The prayer of Christ is also as the words in the Koran:
The Prophets

1. [21.108] Say: It is only revealed to me that your God is one God; will you then submit?

If Christ submitted to the perfect will of the Father God in our behalf, then we to can be one in God in Christ.

I'm not sure that the righteousness of Mohammad could buy my freedom as Jesus.

For Jesus was given to the purpose of His existence and there was no way out for Him.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[eanassir]

There are two sets of justice scales, one God uses and the one mankind uses.

If a person does you harm what are your options? You may forgive them, but if mankind’s laws were broken in the process, then the law applies to that individual.

God on the other hand applied the complete letter of the law to Jesus no exceptions, condemned Him to death and hell as a lamb of sacrifice for us.

So would you now say …“the forgiveness and pardoning is better”… on Gods justice?

If then on God’s justice why would we condemn them which God pardons and forgives as thou we were the judge to deny them complete forgiveness, as if we ourselves were the only true ones?

Peace>>>AJ

God's forgiveness:
There are two kinds of sins: ​

• The sin between man and his Creator: this is like some negligence of the prayer or the fasting or the alike – here God may forgive his servant whatever He will and please.

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• The transgression on other people, like stealing some property of a man; then the thief cannot repent anyhow; he must – first of all – return the stolen property to the owner then he may repent; or else his repentance will not be accepted.

Similarly the repentance from the wrong-doing will not be accepted, unless after removing the act of the wrong-doing and the transgression on others, then he may repent and his repentance may be accepted; or else it may not be accepted.

Some other points:​

• Jesus was not condemned to hell; but he is one of the righteous prophets and apostles brought close in the neighborhood of God Most Merciful.

• The gospels available nowadays are not the original; there has been much alteration; because of the translation and due to many other factors.

See the words of the late interpreter in the preface of his book:

"I have studied the present Hebrew Bible the present Torah), the Gospel, the Psalms and the Quran; and discovered that the first three books had been somewhat altered by the hands of men, so that they changed some of their statements and distorted the truth. Therefore, from now on we cannot rely upon them.

For this reason, anyone who seeks after the truth should hold fast with the Quran which no falsehood can touch whether beforehand or afterwards, that is the revelation from a Wise and Praiseworthy (God.)"
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#preface


eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[eanassir]

I thought there was some other reason for the injunction against pork.Why would the alleged promiscuity of the female hog raise quality issues? I was expecting a practicle explaination such as disease.

When God forbid any food item, He may or may not tell us why; but certainly there is some harm which may be dangerous.

Once I said to the late interpreter: "Abu abd-Allah, they ask you: in case we sterilize the pork and boil it, so that no tapeworm and other germs will be there, will the pork be lawful?"

He answered: "No, but it will always be unlawful, in spite of that."
Then he told me that once a European asked a Muslim: "Why are you more jealous than we are?"
The Muslim answered: "You eat the meat of the pig, and we eat the meat of the cock!"
Then the interpreter said: "The pig is not jealous about its female."

I say: the female of this animal, may have some similarity, and it may accept such a sexual act from the other animal that is not its mate; compare the sheep and the horse and many other animals: they are jealous concerning their females. In horses this is very distinct.

And I read in some books that once a male horse contacted his mother sexually in the darkness, while he did not know that she was his mother, but then when he realized it in the day time, he killed her then committed suicide.

Moreover, there may be some other reasons, in addition to the many diseases contracted by the pig and may be transmitted to man by eating its meat.

The pig and the ape have some similarities to humans: e.g. the pig tissues are useful in medicine: like heart valves derived from pig, and some enzymes of the pancreas of the pig used in treating Fibrocystic Disease of the Pancreas. Such substances derived from the body of the pig may be found compatible with the human body more than the rest of animals in relation to the human body.

Even though this may cause the resentment of some, but it is a trust in deputy that I should tell the truth:

God – be exalted – said in the Quran 5: 60 in the dispraise of Jews who disobeyed their prophets: ​

قُلْ هَلْ أُنَبِّئُكُم بِشَرٍّ مِّن ذَلِكَ مَثُوبَةً عِندَ اللّهِ مَن لَّعَنَهُ اللّهُ وَغَضِبَ عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلَ مِنْهُمُ الْقِرَدَةَ وَالْخَنَازِيرَ وَعَبَدَ الطَّاغُوتَ أُوْلَئِكَ شَرٌّ مَّكَاناً وَأَضَلُّ عَن سَوَاء السَّبِيلِ​

The explanation:

(Say [Mohammed]: "Shall I tell you [Jews] about something worse than that [you mock at, of our religion] – concerning a reward from God [that will be for us?]:

They are those [your ancestors and you] whom God cursed, and His wrath was kindled against them,

and He made of their [dead bodies] the apes and swines [in the continent of Asia],

and [those who] served the "Taghoot": the tyrant [: Nabuchodonosor, and Pharaoh before him.]

Those [who served Baal and Astaroth] are [today] worst in abode and farthest astray from the right way.")


eanassir
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​

 

[look3467]

God's forgiveness:There are two kinds of sins:

• The sin between man and his Creator: this is like some negligence of the prayer or the fasting or the alike – here God may forgive his servant whatever He will and please.

• The transgression on other people, like stealing some property of a man; then the thief cannot repent anyhow; he must – first of all – return the stolen property to the owner then he may repent; or else his repentance will not be accepted. >>>eanassir

Sins against man are sins against God.

Repentance is a change of mind. Repentance begins at the heart, and from there the change begins to take place.
It may be that in the repentance, the individual may seek resolution if possible.
There are instances where that can not be done.

Some other points:

• Jesus was not condemned to hell; but he is one of the righteous prophets and apostles brought close in the neighborhood of God Most Merciful.>>>eanassir

This is where your beliefs and mine differ, and this is where the deity of Jesus comes in.


What is your account of the story of Adam and Eve?
Was God the one who placed the tree of knowledge of Good and Evil?
If so why?
Only if you can answer correctly will you understand why Jesus went to hell!

Here are some prophecies concerning Jesus’ going to hell:Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

One can not understand the meaning of that verse except one believe that Jesus is was the promised messiah, the one that would take the sins of the world away.

The gospels available nowadays are not the original; there has been much alteration; because of the translation and due to many other factors.>>>eanassir

There were allot of changes true, but the final cut contains the message that God wants us to have, and the message is what is important.
The Koran does not give the history of mankind as does the bible, but gives as an opinion the ways and interpretation from the bible but in Mohammad’s words.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[eanassir]

I was expecting a practicle explaination such as disease.

Most of Muslims, Christians and Jews nowadays work against the religion of God, and commit many disobediences.

Most of Muslims at the present time have associated with God – through the way of enthusiasm concerning their imams and sheikhs.

Some of the contemporary Muslims, Christians and Jews are worse than the ancient Children of Israel who rebelled against God and their prophets.

Now most of these Muslims, Christians and Jews follow the atheism, the association with God, the idolatry, in addition to a large number of flagrant crimes.

Muslims, Christians and Jews have their patron-saints, patron-imams and patron-religious leaders and prophets, whom - in a way of sanctification and enthusiasm- they have associated with God.

Now the law of God in people and nature is the same in the past and the present time.
This is in the Quran 33: 62​

سُنَّةَ اللَّهِ فِي الَّذِينَ خَلَوْا مِن قَبْلُ وَلَن تَجِدَ لِسُنَّةِ اللَّهِ تَبْدِيلًا​

The explanation: ([That was] God's way [of dealing] with those [wrong-doers] who passed away of old: you can never find any changing in [this] God's way.)

Therefore, the way in which God punished the Children of Israel in the past, according to their rebellion, disobedience and association with God [when they even served the stars of the sky and the idols Baalim and Astaroth and others]; such way of dealing will involve the Muslims, Christians and Jews of the present time.

To God Almighty, it makes no difference that this one is a Jew, a Christian or a Muslim living in Palestine, Europe or Mecca; all of them are His servants; and anyone that contradicts the Commandments of God, he may be punished in a similar way to those past nations.

The Muslims, nowadays, have associated; therefore God gave to their enemy a hand over them and they occupied their countries. And this is only a temporary situation to discipline them that they may return to God.

Christians have associated the Christ and their patron-saints with God, and followed the atheism and followed the homosexuality: to the extent that they give certificates of marriage of male to male and make for this celebration with cheers and shouting like that of a bride to her husband. So their punishment is not far from them.

Jews came and occupied Palestine and work to destroy the Aksa mosque of God in which His name alone is mentioned, and persecuted the Palestinian, (Palestinians now worship God alone and believe in all His apostles and prophets, and they are not like the old Palestinian that were idolaters). Therefore God will not neglect about the punishment of such transgressing Jews.

But all people should believe in God and see His signs of Might and Glory everywhere in nature and the universe,

and all people should believe in all the heavenly books including the last one: the Glorious Quran and study its marvelous signs or ayat,

and all people should believe in all the apostles including: Prophet Mohammed the noble apostle of God;
in order to be saved from God's punishment in this life of the World and to attain Paradise in the next world. Or else, they will lose in the next world, and they are not secured from His punishment during the life in this World.

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io
http://man-after-death.site.io
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com​