Does the rain come down from the cloud?

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.

The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61

This aya is about the monotheism: that God has no associate or equal.

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 27: 61​

أَمَّن جَعَلَ الْأَرْضَ قَرَارًا وَجَعَلَ خِلَالَهَا أَنْهَارًا وَجَعَلَ لَهَا رَوَاسِيَ وَجَعَلَ بَيْنَ الْبَحْرَيْنِ حَاجِزًا أَإِلَهٌ مَّعَ اللَّهِ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ​

The explanation: ([Are their associates, whom they associate with God, better] or is He Who made the earth for a 'habitation and settlement', and made rivers [to flow] through its [mountains and valleys], and made [mountains] that landed on it, and placed a partition between the two seas? Is there [then] any god beside God? No, but [actually] the most of them do not realize [the truth; because they only imitate their fathers.])

The interpretation: He prepared the earth for you, to dwell and settle on it.​

 

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.

God – be glorified – revealed the Quran, with two categories of revelations: ​

1. The Muhkam: that is the plain straightforward revelations: like those concerning the prayer, fasting and other religious rites. God challenged the Arab and all man-kind and demon-kind to bring about an analogue of it.​

2. The Mutashabih: that is "similitudes"or the ambiguous revelations, which are like puzzles, that constituted a challenge to people to solve such puzzles and know their secret meaning; like the letters at the beginning of the sooras or chapters of the Quran, and many other revelations including many scientific implication that people in the past did not know, and will appear by time, and most of them will be interpreted by the Paraclite/Mahdi.​

God – be exalted – said in the Quran 3: 7​

هُوَ الَّذِيَ أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ مِنْهُ آيَاتٌ مُّحْكَمَاتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَابِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَابِهَاتٌ فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ في قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ ابْتِغَاء الْفِتْنَةِ وَابْتِغَاءتَأْوِيلِهِ وَمَا يَعْلَمُ تَأْوِيلَهُ إِلاَّ اللّهُ ... ​

The explanation: ([God] is He Who has revealed to you [Prophet] the Book [: the Quran] some of which being 'precise' aya's; they are the essence of the Book, [whereas] others being 'similitudes'. But those, in whose hearts is a deviation [from the truth]; these follow the 'similitudes' therein: seeking to seduce [people and turn them away], and seeking to interpret it. But none but God [only] does know its interpretation …)​

Some misfortunate men, in whose hearts is deviation, chose to be against God and His revealed Quran, and go after such revelations to seduce people by misleading them and giving them false meaning, specially people who do not know Arabic. ​

 

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.

Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5

This is in the Quran 67: 5

وَلَقَدْ زَيَّنَّا السَّمَاء الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَجَعَلْنَاهَا رُجُومًا لِّلشَّيَاطِينِ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لَهُمْ عَذَابَ السَّعِيرِ​

The explanation: (And We adorned the nearest firmament [to your earth] with [meteors to burn like the] lamps, and made these [meteors] to stone satans [: devils]; and We have prepared for them [for the Day of Judgment] the chastisement of the Blaze.)

See more about the meteors or shooting stars here Meteors


eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I want to hear some scientific objection, but not the words of the "nonsense" party.

You've heard plenty of them, in this thread and your other threads you think are about science. All you do is deny them and continue to insist your Glorious Quran is correct and science must be wrong. With all the resources of the Internet available to you to look things up and verify what science actually says, and all the attempts people have made on your behalf here to set you straight and point you to good sources, you have deliberately chosen to remain ignorant. I believe you've put me on "Ignore" for trying to show you where and why you're wrong about almost everything and finally losing patience with your impenetrable dogmatism, so you won't see this unless you're just lurking without logging in, but somebody should at least try to tell you that deliberately choosing ignorance and dogmatism in the face of the evidence is stupid.

... to seduce people by misleading them and giving them false meaning, specially people who do not know Arabic

Rather short-sighted and foolish of Allah to arrange things so that only people who know Arabic can understand him. It means we have to rely on people like you to tell us about it. Given the massive ignorance and unfounded dogmatic certainty you continually display, I wouldn't take your word for anything.

 

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.
"And hath made the moon a light"</I>

This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16

I am answering you, and you have become "Newbie" rather than "knows no bounds".

This is in the Quran 71: 16​

وَجَعَلَ الْقَمَرَ فِيهِنَّ نُورًا وَجَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ سِرَاجًا​

The explanation: ("And made the moon [as] a light therein [in the ethereal heavens: i.e. the paradises], and made the sun [as] a lamp?")

This aya explains the condition of the sun and the moon in relation to the ethereal heavens (or the kingdom of heavens: i.e. the paradises)
http://universeandquran.site.io/#The_Ethereal_Heavens

It does not mean that the moon gives its own light; on the contrary: to make sure see this aya 10: 5​

هُوَ الَّذِي جَعَلَ الشَّمْسَ ضِيَاءً وَالْقَمَرَ نُورًا وَقَدَّرَهُ مَنَازِلَ لِتَعْلَمُواْ عَدَدَ السِّنِينَ وَالْحِسَابَ​

The explanation: (It is He Who made the sun: [light-] emitting and the moon: light[-reflecting] and decreed for her stages [of the moon during its revolution around the earth]; that you [people] may know the counting of years and the calculation [of months and days.])

And if you do not believe me, ask one of the Arab about the words: ضِيَاءًand نُورًا and the difference between the two words.

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.

Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7

This is in the Quran 86:5-7​

فَلْيَنظُرِ الْإِنسَانُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ . خُلِقَ مِن مَّاءدَافِقٍ . يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ​

The explanation:
( Now let man [who denies Our might] consider from what he is created.
He is created from a gushing fluid.
Issuing from between the back and the chest bones.)​

The interpretation [by the late Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al Hilly]:
" It means: [The seminal fluid] issues from the body of man, and collects into two [seminal] vesicles near the bladder, and at the sexual intercourse, it issues with ejection or gushing, and pour in the uterus of the woman. So the الصُّلْبِ means the back and the التَّرَائِبِ means the chest bones. "

 

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.

We decked the nether heaven with lamps.">
Allah put "lamps" in the lower heaven to serve as lights. These are the stars that we see in the sky at night. 41:12

The disbeliever who chooses the way of antagonizing God and His Quran is certainly a misfortunate one.

God – be glorified – said in the Quran 46: 10​

قُلْ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِن كَانَ مِنْ عِندِ اللَّهِ وَكَفَرْتُم بِهِ​

Then we may give its English explanation: (Say [O Prophet, to them]: "Tell me your opinion: If the [Quran] be from God, and you unbelieve in it [: what will your fate be in the Hereafter, before God?] )

Concerning His saying – be glorified – in the Quran 41: 12

​

فَقَضَاهُنَّ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ فِي يَوْمَيْنِ وَأَوْحَى فِي كُلِّ سَمَاء أَمْرَهَا وَزَيَّنَّا السَّمَاء الدُّنْيَا بِمَصَابِيحَ وَحِفْظًا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ​

The explanation: (And He separated them into seven firmaments in two days [: He separated that smoke which filled the initial atmosphere of the earth into seven gaseous layers or firmaments], and assigned into each firmament its 'amr' [: its race of genies or demons], and We adorned the nearest firmament [to your earth] with [meteors to be as] lamps and [for] protection; such [perfection] is the ordaining of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.)

These meteors are manifested in the upper atmosphere in the mesosphere.
Meteors
In this aya there is no mention of the stars, but He said مَصَابِيحَ which means lit. means: the lamps.

eanassir
http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.

Allah created all animals. Some with no legs, some with two, and some with four. (Most animals have six legs. Did Allah forget about the insects?) 24:45

About His saying – be exalted – in the Quran 24: 45​

وَاللَّهُ خَلَقَ كُلَّ دَابَّةٍ مِن مَّاء فَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى بَطْنِهِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى رِجْلَيْنِ وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَمْشِي عَلَى أَرْبَعٍ يَخْلُقُ اللَّهُ مَا يَشَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ​

The explanation: (God has created every mobile-animal from water, and some of them move upon their bellies, and some of them move upon two feet, and some of them move upon four; God creates whatever He wills; God is Most Able over all things.)
​

See that He said: يَخْلُقُ اللَّهُ مَا يَشَاء that means : (God creates whatever He wills) which includes all other creatures that walk on six, on eight and on 44 and others. Moreover, God will create in the future other kinds, races and species that He only knows.
As He said in the Quran 35: 1

يَزِيدُ فِي الْخَلْقِ مَا يَشَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ​

The explanation: (He increases [any] creation He wills; for God is All-Able over everything.)
​

 

[eanassir]

all you are doing is quoting froma 1400 year old scientific illiterate book.

Someday the stars will fall. 81:2

About the Quranic revelation 81: 2​

وَإِذَا النُّجُومُ انكَدَرَتْ​

The explanation: (And when the stars shall be dim [to the sight.])

The interpretation:
When the water is mixed with some mud or dust it will be turbid; so this is the meaning of the word انكَدَرَتْ i.e. the stars will disappear from the sight, because of the dimness of the atmosphere of the earth at that time, due to the thick smoke and the fog in the space (or in the atmosphere as is the case now on Mercury and Venus.)

Therefore, man, beware of your Lord; you have gone beyond any bound concerning God and His Glorious Quran; God may seize you with punishment; I don't know you, but He knows you, and you cannot escape from Him. Let not the dignity and pride (before others including your party; because they will not avail you on the Judgment Day) bring you to antagonize God and Prophet Mohammed: the Beloved Servant of God, to whom the Quran was revealed to guide humanity to the knowledge, science, the light of monotheism and compliance to the One God Almighty.

This is in the Quran 22: 51​

وَالَّذِينَ سَعَوْا فِي آيَاتِنَا مُعَاجِزِينَ أُوْلَئِكَ أَصْحَابُ الْجَحِيمِ​

The explanation: (And those who strive to [void] Our revelations [trying] to frustrate [Our messengers] – they shall be the inhabitants of Hell.)

And this aya 34: 5​

وَالَّذِينَ سَعَوْا فِي آيَاتِنَا مُعَاجِزِينَ أُوْلَئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ مِّن رِّجْزٍ أَلِيمٌ​

The explanation: (But those who work to [void] Our revelations so as to frustrate [Us]; there will be for them a chastisement of painful wrath [in this World.])

It means: God will seize them with punishment in this World, in addition to the punishment in Hell in the next world. ​

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Well now ShintoMale, you certainly managed to draw a spirited response out of this silly man with a few simple (and correct) observations. He's a fanatic, you'll never penetrate his dogmatism, he's immune to facts and stuck in a 7th century understanding of reality. Good on you for trying though. He's ignoring me for telling him about facts he didn't want to hear, which is about what I'd expect of someone like him, but if you want to try carrying the ball for a while, go for it. Good luck.

 

[Lester]

Hey Dexter: How long before Shinto Joins the ignore club. 5 posts?

 

[MHz]

Well Dex you might have a bit of scientific knowledge (even then that is frequently subject to updates) but you are also more than a bit condescending, which makes you a tit, more or less.

I did follow you explanation of the moon's rotation, relative to our position, but you didn't mention any reason for why it is that way.
The Bible is even older and it has some observations of where we are. Those words say that our Earth was covered with a mist until the flood. In a situation like that you couldn't directly observe either the sun or the moon directly, there would only be diffused lighting, a strong one and a dimmer one. That is why rainbows are mentioned.

 

[eanassir]

you are the onw that is letting the wuran think for you.

Shinto,
You and sinister, the silly man, are the same one. He says I ignore him because he is telling me some truths; but this is an obvious lie; that is because he does not respect himself and others; what I have against him: in case he respect himself and others and prior to anything else he should respect the heavenly books and the prophets and knows God. If he does not know God, he will know Who is God.

 

[eanassir]

The Bible is even older and it has some observations of where we are. Those words say that our Earth was covered with a mist until the flood. In a situation like that you couldn't directly observe either the sun or the moon directly, there would only be diffused lighting, a strong one and a dimmer one. That is why rainbows are mentioned.

The Book of Genesis was not revealed to Moses; the Children of Israel inherited it from the time of Prophet Abraham (and may include things pertaining to the time of Noah). It includes things that Abraham, Ismael, Isaac, Jacob and his sons worked accordingly.
Then it was lost, together with the whole Torah, when Nabuchodonosor attacked Palestine and tore up the Torah present in their Temple. What we have now, is actually that which the priest Ezra wrote for them, following their return from the captivity of Babylon.
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#The_Torah_[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_

The Quran, being the last revealed heavenly book, includes a large number of ayat or Quranic revelations that pertain to science. This is far more than the previous heavenly books: the Torah and the Gospel. Most of these ayat fall in the category of the ambiguous ayat. Many of such Quranic revelations may bear meanings that will appear by time: like this aya 55: 6 ​

وَالنَّجْمُ وَالشَّجَرُ يَسْجُدَانِ​

The explanation: (The [tailed-] stars and the trees fall down [in adoration; being faraway and nearby objects.] )​

The ‘falling down in adoration’, here, is the obedience and falling down upon the Earth.

Until I saw the below image, I was not able to understand the aya (and what is the correlation between the star [: the comet] and the trees)

(See here the trees in the Tunguska region fallen fan-shaped following the impact of the comet in Siberia at 1908.)​

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap071114.html​

eanassir​

http://universeandquran.site.io​

 

[ShintoMale]

Hey Dexter: How long before Shinto Joins the ignore club. 5 posts?

what ignore club?

 

[ShintoMale]

Shinto,
You and sinister, the silly man, are the same one. He says I ignore him because he is telling me some truths; but this is an obvious lie; that is because he does not respect himself and others; what I have against him: in case he respect himself and others and prior to anything else he should respect the heavenly books and the prophets and knows God. If he does not know God, he will know Who is God.

i don't you your god I know Izanami, Izanagi, Amaterasu, Susanoo and other Shinto dieties

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Well Dex you might have a bit of scientific knowledge (even then that is frequently subject to updates) but you are also more than a bit condescending, which makes you a tit, more or less.

Yes, I am condescending with eanassir. I didn't start out that way. He earned it. And calling me silly names just underlines your own intellectual weaknesses.

 

[MHz]

So using derogatory names is a right reserved exclusively to you is it?
When another person does that and it is directed at you it becomes an ' intellectual weaknesses', yet you doing it is a sign of 'intellectual superiority', ROFLMAO

 

[Lester]

what ignore club?

when you start to win an argument with eanassir, he'll put you on ignore rather than trying to explain the inconsistancies within his arguments. Kind of like putting your fingers in your ears and screaming LALALALALALALALALA....:lol:

 

[MHz]

i don't you your god I know Izanami, Izanagi, Amaterasu, Susanoo and other Shinto dieties

Was Amaterasu taught by Izanagi and Izanami about the topics that have been brought up so far, if so, how do those teachings differ?