I'd like to point out, in most religions, murder is acceptable under the right conditions. People alway seem to gloss over that bit. Don't get me wrong, secular society says the same thing "murder is right under certain conditions". But acting like all religions are a bunch of pacifist happy friendly hour care-alongs is pretty insulting. More so when you claim anyone who mixes violence and religion is the one being fake, but the one who preaches pacifism is the true religion. In most cases the one preaching pacifism is the phony, as much as we might not like it.
Fitna: A controversial short movie on Islam
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Education is the main problem in my view.As you would notice that Islam belongs mostly to the 3rd world countries, people are illiterate and still belive without thinking.They don't even dare to question about the religon and the religous scholars are taking the benifit of that.They make the poor people fool...
The problem with that is that truth defies the logic of your argument.
The guys that did the bus/subway bombings in Great Britain were not ill-educated peasants from tents in the desert......neither were the 9-11 hijackers......
The problem is this....Christian belief is based on choice.....the choice to accept or reject the faith, leading to redemption or damnation.....whatever. It is the exercise of free will.
islam means submission..........no choice involved.
It is no accident that every free society on earth has evolved from a Christian tradition......except the Norse........and there was a tradition of concensus democracy.
In other words, the men were locked in the long house, and debate on contentious issues continued without a break until everyone agreed on the solution.....everyone alive, that is......
Interesting concept.
How to ease the burden of MP's salaries.
You are right.One thing that I have noticed among people around me belonging to any class is that: they say no to debate when it is to the religion.They have a concept it's a sin...I am not sure does Islam teaches that or only the religious scholars.
Again like I previously stated you only see what the media represents. Go to a mosque. Do some research. You'll find some surprising information...the majority of Muslims stand up against violence.
Within the community I live in, a lot of Muslims are fed up of views such as the one you seem to hold. They have condemned and stood up against the violence. But at this point to be blunt, they wanna get on with their lives. Muslims, just like other people are human after all. They have families and jobs and schools. As much as you'd like, the community can't be bothered to take time out to hold mass protests anymore. Most Muslims are afraid to start even any peacful movements because they still disrupt the norm , and honestly they would rather have these talks, discussions whatever you wish to call it at the mosques or gatherings.
Colpy, no matter what you decide to do in life, most often you choose to do it. If you follow Islam, you chooseto be a part of it. We don't believe in blind faith. The problem is not that we decide to submit to God, the problem is that too often people twist and tweak religion to suit their own beliefs.
You previously mentioned that Islam was spread by the sword. The Prophet (Peace be upon him) was a great leader. But there were Muslim armies, and yes there was violence. They did not take over so much of the world by throwing each other tea parties . I think from a historical perspective, we have to agree that in order to spread as a people and in order to take over land, the option was war. However, bringing religion back into the picture, the Prophet did inform his people of the rules of war. Those I will post when I have more time.
It's lovely and hot outside, and I'm at the moment too busy getting my tan back...:glasses7:
"Pagans, however, were given the choice of conversion or death by Islam."
Illuminados and pagan gitanos suffered the same fate under the Reconquista. Therefore, Christians do not have the higher moral ground.
Illuminados and pagan gitanos suffered the same fate under the Reconquista. Therefore, Christians do not have the higher moral ground.
You will see in my posts that I note that Jews especially were treated much worse by the conquistadors than they were by their Muslim rulers.......
I am not arguing that Christians are morally superior.
that would be idiotic.
I am arguing about the religion itself......Christianity being a religion of pacifism (originally) and choice......Islam a religion of submission and war.
Humans, being what they are, will twist any theology, philosophy, whatever, to their own ends.
''Humans, being what they are, will twist any theology, philosophy, whatever, to their own ends. ''
That much is true. And all deserve to be equally condemned for their crimes against humanity.
That much is true. And all deserve to be equally condemned for their crimes against humanity.