Where do you see yourself in 2020?

[Night Safari]

Odd. I haven't read one post here mentioning if basic Human Survival might still be what we experience today. Global warming is widely accepted and an alarming reality. The Earth's axis has shifted from the 23 degree angle to a 49 degree angle. This already impacts our resources to fresh water, causes our climate extremes, and global weather disasters.
http://www.earth-policy.org/Books/PB3/index.htm

Where will I be in 2020?? I hope I'm thankful for breatheable air, clean drinking water, and able to withstand the extremes of summer heat and winter cold.
Then again this could all be "political nonsence" and I'll be living on my own Island in the South Pacific and drinking Tequilla's!:hippy2:

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The Earth's axis has shifted from the 23 degree angle to a 49 degree angle.

Where'd you get that spectacularly wrong bit of misinformation? I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed that, and so would a lot of other people. I spend a fair bit of time admiring the night sky, and I'd have noticed a 26 degree shift in the position of all the stars. I like to have a drink of an evening, but there's not enough scotch in the world to make me miss that.

 

[unclepercy]

Oh, what a year to zero in on. 2020, and I'll be turning 41. My oldest will be turning, 20! My youngest, 19. They should be leaving the nest, or at the very least, flying on their own and helping keep the nest tidy. lol. I'm hoping that by then I will be done school, and working in some area of psychology. I always thought I had a calling to grief counseling, but, every new unit I take broadens my interest. Right now I'm leaning toward the study of psychoneuroimmunology. Fascinating stuff.

Where will you take this course, Karrie? My daughter was admitted to Southwestern Medical School in order to take some of the offbeat courses related to her major, such as epidemiological statistics. I would be very interested in psychoneuroimmunology myself, but I 2020, I'll be dead. One of the hardest courses I ever took was physiological psychology. With no biology background, it was tough, especially since it was taught by a doctor. :-(

Uncle

 

[dancing-loon]

Where'd you get that spectacularly wrong bit of misinformation? I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed that, and so would a lot of other people. I spend a fair bit of time admiring the night sky, and I'd have noticed a 26 degree shift in the position of all the stars. I like to have a drink of an evening, but there's not enough scotch in the world to make me miss that.

Hi, Dexter;
the stars shift with the earth because of the gravity that holds them!;-) That's why you haven't noticed, eh?:lol:
Didn't Safari put a link with it? I've been too lazy tonight reading it.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Eh, forgot to answer the OP's question. The best laid plans...

In 2020, I expect to be right where I am now, living in the same place--I hate moving, the next move is going to be to the graveyard--with the same hot babe, and doing the same stuff: building cabinets and furniture and model ships, reading, thinking, writing, posting at CC or whatever it's morphed into by then, making music, messing with computers, gardening... I'll probably be walking more though, 'cause gas will be $8 a litre, and that's probably a good thing. The walking I mean, not the price of gas. I'll be pensioned off, and the exercise will be good for me. Actually I should probably be walking more now, but even being well into my 50s I don't have any health issues, which is fairly unusual, so I don't yet feel any urgency about that. Blessings upon my parents for an extraordinary genetic endowment.

And I hope I'll be a grandfather.

 

[missile]

More senile than I am or dead.

 

[missile]

invisible..just like the above post:angry3:

 

[karrie]

Where will you take this course, Karrie? My daughter was admitted to Southwestern Medical School in order to take some of the offbeat courses related to her major, such as epidemiological statistics. I would be very interested in psychoneuroimmunology myself, but I 2020, I'll be dead. One of the hardest courses I ever took was physiological psychology. With no biology background, it was tough, especially since it was taught by a doctor. :-(

Uncle

I don't even know who offters it to tell the truth. I'm currently working through the Athabasca University, but, I want to go to Grant MacCewan come January. I'll just keep working on my BA in Psych for the moment.

 

[karrie]

More senile than I am or dead.

:-(...

 

[Night Safari]

Where'd you get that spectacularly wrong bit of misinformation? I'm pretty sure I'd have noticed that, and so would a lot of other people. I spend a fair bit of time admiring the night sky, and I'd have noticed a 26 degree shift in the position of all the stars. I like to have a drink of an evening, but there's not enough scotch in the world to make me miss that.

Obviously you haven't read the March/April edition of Canadian Alive Magazine nor National Geographic's Green Guide Magazine. With April 22nd being Earth Day, many Researchers, Enviromentalists, and other Agencies have discussed the many changes to our Earth and it's numerous devasting effects resulting from those changes.
Here's another link detailing the Earths' Axis shifts.
http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth’s-axis-has-changed-›-create-new-post-—-wordpress/

If you still believe it's "spectacularily wrong information", I have more research links from NASA, Environment Canada and other reputable sources. They can't all be "wrong".

 

[dancing-loon]

Night Safari, thank you so very much for that educational link! I only read a short part of it, but enough to get the convincing proof.
You must be a scientist yourself perhaps? Or someone with a great deal of interest and knowledge. I'm sure you have Dexter convinced and converted now! ;-)

Did you know or read about the prediction half a century ago by Edgar Cayce of the "uprighting" of earth's axis? I always thought it would happen in one gigantic jolt! Thank God, it's slow and gentle, at least sofar.

The night sky is one great illusion to us, because of the millions of light years the light of the stars needs to travel to be visible by us little specks of dust, we keep looking at something that, in reality, isn't even there anymore!!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

They can't all be "wrong".

No, but they can be misunderstood, misrepresented, distorted, fabricated, and so on. The earth's axis has not shifted, it's still at 23½ degrees to the ecliptic.

 

[jimmoyer]

You know why Dexter Sinister is right ?

You wouldn't get HBO or CNN if he was wrong.

 

[Night Safari]

No, but they can be misunderstood, misrepresented, distorted, fabricated, and so on. The earth's axis has not shifted, it's still at 23½ degrees to the ecliptic.

The ecliptic plane was initially tilted at 23.5 degrees south. And with the Earth's spin axis come the resulting seasonal variations in the amount of sunlight received on the Earth's surface.( Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter)

If the axis "has not shifted", as you indicate, then our present damaged ozone layer, harmful UV rays, irratic weather and climate patterns, etc., "do not exist" and we have been dupped with a colosal hoax!

Or, YOU ARE RIGHT, and everyone else must either be wrong, dreaming, lying, hallucinating, or completely brainwashed except for yourself.:lol:

 

[Night Safari]

Did you know or read about the prediction half a century ago by Edgar Cayce of the "uprighting" of earth's axis? I always thought it would happen in one gigantic jolt! Thank God, it's slow and gentle, at least so far.

Yes, I did. Interesting that you mentioned it. In Chapter 5 of: "Book II- The Earth Re-born", Cayce's Prophecies predict a dramatic shift and new orbit for our Earth.

Unfortunately Spirituality has no rational concept in main stream scientific research. And I personally feel it shouldn't be strictly academic. But if it "can't be proven on black and white or actually seen, it doesn't exist."

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The ecliptic plane was initially tilted at 23.5 degrees south.

You don't appear to understand the concepts you're tossing around here. The ecliptic plane is the 2-dimensional surface defined by the earth's orbit around the sun. All the planets in the solar system define similar planes, all within a few degrees of the ecliptic. The sun's apparent path across the sky follows the ecliptic, and if you project the plane out onto the stars it runs through the middle of the zodiac, which is defined as a band 9 degrees to either side of it. The earth's rotational axis is tilted 23½ degrees to the plane of the ecliptic, which is what defines the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn on the planet. They are the points farthest north and south of the equator where the sun can appear directly overhead. If the earth's rotational axis had shifted by 26 degrees to 49 degrees with respect to the ecliptic, as you're claiming, the apparent positions of all stars, planets, the sun, and the moon, would also have shifted by 26 degrees.

I have a little astronomy program called Skyglobe that shows the night sky on my monitor here based on the coordinates I give it for my location. It predates this supposed axis shift, so what it shows me ought to be different by 26 degrees from what I see when I step into my backyard at night and look up. It's not. You're wrong.

 

[Night Safari]

I have a little astronomy program called Skyglobe that shows the night sky on my monitor here based on the coordinates I give it for my location. It predates this supposed axis shift, so what it shows me ought to be different by 26 degrees from what I see when I step into my backyard at night and look up. It's not. You're wrong.

I wasn't aiming to be "precise" or begin an intensive, lengthy astronomy/geology lecture here, as the main question at hand was whether the Earth's axel has or hasn't shifted. Obviously you and your "little Skyglobe program" are never wrong!!:roll: Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person.8O

 

[karrie]

I wasn't aiming to be "precise" or begin an intensive, lengthy astronomy/geology lecture here, as the main question at hand was whether the Earth's axel has or hasn't shifted. Obviously you and your "little Skyglobe program" are never wrong!!:roll: Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person.8O

LOL.... oh wow. You're coming into an argument with one of the sharpest scientific minds I've ever had the pleasure of meeting, and you're calling him unprepared because you got some bad info and can't (or won't) back up your assertions. I have to say, you've made my day, because that was one of the best funnies I've read in a while.

 

[talloola]

LOL.... oh wow. You're coming into an argument with one of the sharpest scientific minds I've ever had the pleasure of meeting, and you're calling him unprepared because you got some bad info and can't (or won't) back up your assertions. I have to say, you've made my day, because that was one of the best funnies I've read in a while.

I'll vouch for that Karrie!!!!

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I wasn't aiming to be "precise" or begin an intensive, lengthy astronomy/geology lecture here, as the main question at hand was whether the Earth's axel has or hasn't shifted. Obviously you and your "little Skyglobe program" are never wrong!!:roll: Besides, the context of this original post has changed quite dramatically.I refuse to have a battle of witts with an unarmed person.8O

Axel? Witts? Is English your first language? And you're not aiming to be precise? You've made some fairly precise claims, like the earth's axial tilt being 49 degrees now, which it obviously is not if you have any observational skills at all. Evidently you don't. My point, which you obviously missed, was that my little Skyglobe program shows me what the night sky should look like from my latitude and longitude at a time and date I specify, and it's based on the assumption that the earth's axial tilt is about 23½ degrees from the ecliptic. It exactly matches what I see when I step out into my yard at night and look up. Therefore, it is right, and I am right, the observations match the predictions, and you are wrong. This is not a battle of wits, or even witts--and even if it were you'd be way over your head--it's about objectively verifiable empirical facts about the way things are.

But it appears I really don't need to defend myself against your follies, my respected Internet friends karrie and talloola have risen to the occasion. Thank you my friends, and blessings upon your households.

None of this has anything to do with where any of us see ourselves in 2020 though, so if you want to discuss this further, start a thread in the science forum about axial tilt. I caution you though: you'll get pounded. If anybody bothers to respond.