Who Is Jesus?

darkbeaver

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And, the islamic faith is 'part' of the problem, not apart from the problem.
Agreed, but it is not conducting high altitude bombing of civilian areas, and has not invaded a nation and slaughtered the inhabitants of any city town or village, nor has Islam used WMDs such as depleted urainium, nor does it condone or conduct systematic torture. Simply put the only similarity between the present form of the Judeo/Christian crime syndycate and Islam is that they are both organized religions.
 

darkbeaver

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Zealotry comes in many forms, and many times doesn't even recognize its own face reflected in the mirror of its opposite. Whether it's a religious zealot screaming for the conversion of all atheists, or an atheist or pagan screaming to see religion wiped off the face of the earth, makes not one lick of difference.

It most certainly does make every resonable difference under recognized provable history and science, the religious side always invokes the grace and benevolence and omnipotence of an unseen, unheard proveably constructed god, who's developement and history of crimes is a matter of record. While what you call an anti-religious zealot has every science of man at his/her disposal including logic, reason and all the historical humanitys.The existance of and toleration of religion has retarded human development for all the ages and continues to plaque the nations exactly as does a disease infecting everything it touches with death and destruction.
 
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karrie

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It most certainly does make every resonable difference under recognized provable history and science, the religious side always invokes the grace and benevolence and omnipotence of an unseen, unheard proveably constructed god, who's developement and history of crimes is a matter of record. While what you call an anti-religious zealot has every science of man at his/her disposal including logic, reason and all the historical humanitys.The existance of and toleration of religion has retarded human development for all the ages and continues to plaque the nations exactly as does a disease infecting everything it touches with death and destruction.

Exactly. The one who thinks they're most right always feels justified in their position.
 

talloola

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I wish all people a good and happy life, and in that life have or have not -'religion'.

I would like to do that also, without them pitying me, looking down their noses at me,
judging my morality, just accept me as I am, and wish me a good and happy life, as
I wish them, in their lives.

It's really easy.
 

darkbeaver

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Exactly. The one who thinks they're most right always feels justified in their position.

Wrong again, the one who"knows" they're right and can prove it based on fact always wins in a court of law or before his/peers in review, while the religious zealot always reverts to displaced faith with no supporting evidence except vague feelings of superiority imparted through indoctrination of or by dogma from one religious con game or another.
 

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Jesus said, "I AM the way, the Truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me."

The Scripture says, "The soul that sinneth shall die..."

Unless we are redeemed by the Saviour, we will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the world.
 

look3467

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The nation of Israel represents the Father God's witness to mankind on earth as being the only ones in the whole earth privy to Father God's salvation.
The rest of humanity was without hope.

Jesus, is the remedy, the bridge between heaven and earth, the bridge between Israel and the rest of the world, (Heathen).

In order for Father God to save "all" mankind, He must present Himself in the flesh as Jesus, to the selected few (Israel) to be offered up as a sacrifice in bridging both gaps.

Israel had the Father God's instruction in which they were to follow to a "T", and in which they did faithfully.

Now that verse applies, because that way, Jesus "cuts them off" as being the only ones privy to God, and causes them to reject Him, offer Him up as payment for All mankind, thus bringing in salvation, not only to the Jews but to all mankind as well.

This verse now applies:
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Now, that being said, every one is free to believe as they please without penalty of eternal banishment!

But, let me say this, that knowing God, and having Him in our lives, definitely is a comfort in times of adversities.

Therefore, choice ye your course in life, and live it to your beast ability, doing what you believe to be right and do right.

Love thy neighbor!

Peace>>>AJ
 

darkbeaver

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Jesus said, "I AM the way, the Truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me."

The Scripture says, "The soul that sinneth shall die..."

Unless we are redeemed by the Saviour, we will be destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the world.

"The soul that sinneth shall die" true enough herald, but the words are many thousands of years older than christianity, they are a part of ancient human philosophy and science passed down countless generations in oral form and incorporated in relative infant monotheisms of the last three millenia. We are to be redeemed through science which is the revealed word and works of god, the lake of fire at the end of our time will be volcanic chain reactions brought on by collision with comet or asteroidial celestial bodies, these collisions have occured many times in earths past and will continue untill the inevitable big bulls eye strike that will be armegeddon for the human but not necessarily for the garden. The end of man is not the end of creation. Get off your knees, it has no ears to hear you with, it feels nothing for you. The savior is wisdom, the path is enlightenment through science, science is worship of the works of god. Religion is evil and destructive, the work and purpose of santan/ignorance.
Follow the link and you will discover an old lake of fire, there are many of them, all through recorded geological history as well as in the remembered and delivered human memory when our not so old ancestors witnessed them up close and personal.
http://www.victorynewsmagazine.com/TheVolcanoThatMayDestroyMankind.htm
 
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look3467

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Yes, it is appointed, once all must die. That is common to all period.

What was uncommon was the state of the souls spirit in mankind that also died, and all those who died prior to Christ were held in a state of suspension, not being able to ascend to the creator.

Therefore, God in Christ resolved the situation and bridged the gap by giving "life" to all dead souls prior to the cross, and to all after the cross.

What the problem is today, is that not all know that bit of good news, and the ones who do, become enthusiastic to proclaim it, but fail to proclaim it properly.

There are no restrictions imposed by God, but there are from mankind, and there is where we find the difficulty.

Peace>>>AJ
 

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the end of our time will be volcanic chain reactions brought on by collision with comet or asteroidial celestial bodies, these collisions have occured many times in earths past and will continue untill the inevitable big bulls eye strike that will be armegeddon for the human but not necessarily for the garden.

Makes sense to me!!!
 

darkbeaver

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Yes, it is appointed, once all must die. That is common to all period.

What was uncommon was the state of the souls spirit in mankind that also died, and all those who died prior to Christ were held in a state of suspension, not being able to ascend to the creator.

Therefore, God in Christ resolved the situation and bridged the gap by giving "life" to all dead souls prior to the cross, and to all after the cross.

What the problem is today, is that not all know that bit of good news, and the ones who do, become enthusiastic to proclaim it, but fail to proclaim it properly.

There are no restrictions imposed by God, but there are from mankind, and there is where we find the difficulty.

Peace>>>AJ

If you look at history you will find similar more complete messages delivered in a hundred different languages from a hundred different cultures long before chistianity was thought of. How can you possibly believe that souls, the property of the universe, were held pending his arrival. You impart the vulgar lowest common denomintor of awareness of once great wisdom indivisable from nature. Past from each succeeding generation and practiced for all of human existence,compiled and enhanced for the benefit of all. What remains of that greatness is a vile misrepresentation of the truth, stripped of all meaning, reduced to destructive dogmatism by the worst psycopathic men humanity has ever produced. You have no faith in mankind, and none in the one (universe) or nature, you have abandoned both for your god. IMO;-)
 

look3467

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If you look at history you will find similar more complete messages delivered in a hundred different languages from a hundred different cultures long before chistianity was thought of. How can you possibly believe that souls, the property of the universe, were held pending his arrival. You impart the vulgar lowest common denomintor of awareness of once great wisdom indivisable from nature. Past from each succeeding generation and practiced for all of human existence,compiled and enhanced for the benefit of all. What remains of that greatness is a vile misrepresentation of the truth, stripped of all meaning, reduced to destructive dogmatism by the worst psycopathic men humanity has ever produced. You have no faith in mankind, and none in the one (universe) or nature, you have abandoned both for your god. IMO;-)

Looking at History of humanities beliefs, one can see that there has always been a consciences to wards something spiritual but with no understanding as to who or what it was that they were all concerned with.

So, they made to themselves gods! Mankind has always had gods as evident by the many archaeological finds.

But, 2000+ years ago, the revelation of who this true God was, is, has been brought to light, where as before, darkness in the form of no knowledge was the condition.

All those souls who lived had no knowledge, were in darkness, if you will,therefore where held suspended until light came to visit them and were liberated.

That same light applies today, you see it, you accept it and become liberated as well.

But, have no concern, you need not accept it for your soul has already being accounted for. So that if you have no light now, you will when you die, for then will you truly see your creator in all His splendor.

The problem in this world is, that light has come in the midst of darkness, and mankind refuses to look at the light in order to free up their souls.

There are two forms of knowledge, the one you already acquired, that is, knowing the difference between good and evil, the second, is knowledge of the tree of life.

If you look at the story of Adam and Eve, you will see that that tree of life was held from them, only to be introduced at a later time.

Now, that knowledge is available to all who would consider it. It's there for the taking, it's free, and requires no conditions except for belief.

No belief, no knowledge and no freedom, which, will keep us bound to the natural, or as like you said, "You have no faith in mankind, and none in the one (universe) or nature, you have abandoned both for your god".

I have faith, and I see the light, and I see mankind loved by the creator, and I don't trust the flesh.
The flesh is of corruptible seed, where as the seed of God is not.

Mankind, corrupts and makes God of no effect for it trusts in the flesh, but those who trust in God, make the flesh of no effect.

I don't blame you for seeing the corruption and basing your rejection of God, but neither do I hold you accountable for not understanding the true God.

I would look at God for who He is, rather than what mankind thinks He is, for mankind has made shambles of His goodness and love.

Peace>>>AJ

 

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How can anyone believe in the bible of the christians when it contradicts itself, misses so much obvious truth, get things wrong and plagiarizes most of the good stories?

Read Gilgamesh for the story of the flood.

Where did Cain and Abel's wives come from?

Why isn't slavery, rape or incest listed in the 10 commandments?

Plate tectonics? The germ theory of disease? DNA? Electromagnetism?

Did "God" or Jesus not know of these things? If they were omniscient why did they keep these things a secret?

Who was Jesus? Some crazy guy from a deeply crazy part of the world.

Buncha bullpuckey.

Pangloss
 

darkbeaver

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"I content that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Stephen Henry Roberts



It would be nice to think Sir Roberts was correct about the results of that question. It's flawed however, they will never question faith, that's what fanatics can't do, fanatsism is what religious dogma builds.
 

look3467

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I see no contradictions, because I am no longer in darkness to these things.
To know good from evil gives us the ability to set our own rules, won't you think?

If you feel incest is wrong, won't you set a rule against it? If abortion is wrong, won't you set a rule against it?

God has given us the ability to self rule, but whether we do it, is another question.

The Romans had laws that are somewhat similar to the ten commandments.
If you have read, that Jesus never said anything against Rome, the Romans or anything to do with their unjust punishment of Him.

Does that not say anything about the God given ability to self rule?

If capital punishment is banned, then it is done by the will of the people, so if that produces consequences of sorts, then that's our problem not Gods.

Who was Jesus? Some crazy guy from a deeply crazy part of the world.>>>Pangloss

Yes, crazy, rejected and crucified by humanity. Where was the trust, the kindness, compassion of humanity then? And now? No change, unless that change first takes place in the heart!

Peace>>>AJ
 

look3467

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An empire as large as the sands of the sea, the stars above has begone at Calvary, why?

Because it requires a change of heart, not fear, not intimidation, no supper intelligence, just plain heart to hold the faith that overcomes all adversities.

If you can win someones heart, you have that person whole, and that is what Jesus does is touch the hearts of people and causes changes in their lives.

His empire is built in the heart, for their is His temple, and none can destroy it, even though they may destroy the body.

His empire is here and now, sadly, not many can see it. He plainly said, "My kingdom is not of this world", yet it is in this world, but in the hearts.

That, is hard to understand, knowing the limits of human nature.

Peace>>>AJ
 

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An empire as large as the sands of the sea, the stars above has begone at Calvary, why?

Because it requires a change of heart, not fear, not intimidation, no supper intelligence, just plain heart to hold the faith that overcomes all adversities.

If you can win someones heart, you have that person whole, and that is what Jesus does is touch the hearts of people and causes changes in their lives.

His empire is built in the heart, for their is His temple, and none can destroy it, even though they may destroy the body.

His empire is here and now, sadly, not many can see it. He plainly said, "My kingdom is not of this world", yet it is in this world, but in the hearts.

That, is hard to understand, knowing the limits of human nature.

Peace>>>AJ

Don't spew rhetoric, Pangloss asked a question, answer it if you can- although I suspect you will just use more religious b.s to sidestep the issue.
 

darkbeaver

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I see no contradictions, because I am no longer in darkness to these things.
To know good from evil gives us the ability to set our own rules, won't you think?

If you feel incest is wrong, won't you set a rule against it? If abortion is wrong, won't you set a rule against it?

God has given us the ability to self rule, but whether we do it, is another question.

The Romans had laws that are somewhat similar to the ten commandments.
If you have read, that Jesus never said anything against Rome, the Romans or anything to do with their unjust punishment of Him.

Does that not say anything about the God given ability to self rule?

If capital punishment is banned, then it is done by the will of the people, so if that produces consequences of sorts, then that's our problem not Gods.



Yes, crazy, rejected and crucified by humanity. Where was the trust, the kindness, compassion of humanity then? And now? No change, unless that change first takes place in the heart!

Peace>>>AJ
God, the sun, has not given us the ability to set our own rules nor self rule, we are subjects of the laws of first "the sun" and second the deeper space beyond known as the universe. We are subject to all laws and truths that govern that single one reality, the universe. There are many flavours of obediance to those physical laws but there is no possiblity of disobediance.
 

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How can anyone believe in the bible of the christians when it contradicts itself, misses so much obvious truth, get things wrong and plagiarizes most of the good stories?

Read Gilgamesh for the story of the flood.

Where did Cain and Abel's wives come from?

Why isn't slavery, rape or incest listed in the 10 commandments?

Plate tectonics? The germ theory of disease? DNA? Electromagnetism?

Did "God" or Jesus not know of these things? If they were omniscient why did they keep these things a secret?

Who was Jesus? Some crazy guy from a deeply crazy part of the world.

Buncha bullpuckey.

Pangloss



and the reason simplistic questions like this need to be answered would be.........you're 5?