Freedom and Capitalism

[damngrumpy]

I suggest that neither capalism or socialism has ever really existed. Sociallism in Russia, was snuffed out by Stalin who in fact was more of a faciest than Hitler. In turn the unbridled capalism of the 19th century was hijacked by greed and conduct without conscience that launched the industrial revelution and child labor.
What we tend to do is label systems that have been bastardized, and to not resemble the original intent.
I suggest all systems are subjected to tyrants that take advantage of their fellow man in the name of greed.
Raising the minimum wage should not be required if thinking people were running the system, as if the poorer people had more purchasing power.
Socialism attempts to even out the economy buth will never be able to do that and the current path of capalism could well lose control of the economy as today the markets are fuelled more by specualtion than actual productivity

 

[china]

darkbeaver

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Freedom is relative)----------Max Plank in a conversation with Werner Von Braun March 23 1926 01:37 AM Hymies Bar And Grill, in Hiedelburg . There China is that better. I suppose you won't be satisfied with Max's ideas niether. hanadhaha

"freedom can't be relative"......China in conversation with himself ,Nov 24,07,
Qing Dao ,Shandong ,PRC,at 2145,There darkbeaver ,is that better ?hahahaha

 

[iARTthere4iam]

Capitalism ised wisely is pretty good, IMO. Unfortunately, we rarely see it. Pretty much the same as anything else we have developed; it's rarely used wisely.

What do you mean "used". How would capitalism be "used" wisely. Who would do the using and what would be changed by proper using.

 

[L Gilbert]

What do you mean "used". How would capitalism be "used" wisely.

Without greed for one thing.

Who would do the using and what would be changed by proper using.

Wise people would do the using and obviously more people would benefit if they settled for just what they can use instead of going to excess.

"The injustices that occur in capitalism result from inequitable distribution of profit, not in creation of profit itself. Over the years, capitalism has been made more equitable by legislation, unions and taxation." - Hal McKenzie

"Capitalism, rather than being an evil system, is a marvelous tool which when used wisely by humane leaders, can meet all man's material needs. The only revolution needed in capitalism is a moral and ethical one that can direct it towards that purpose." - Hal McKenzie

 

[iARTthere4iam]

Without greed for one thing. Wise people would do the using and obviously more people would benefit if they settled for just what they can use instead of going to excess.

"The injustices that occur in capitalism result from inequitable distribution of profit, not in creation of profit itself. Over the years, capitalism has been made more equitable by legislation, unions and taxation." - Hal McKenzie

"Capitalism, rather than being an evil system, is a marvelous tool which when used wisely by humane leaders, can meet all man's material needs. The only revolution needed in capitalism is a moral and ethical one that can direct it towards that purpose." - Hal McKenzie

Oh thank goodness "WISE" people will be in charge of my money via tax dollars. That is very comforting. Living on what is required ... Would that mean that there would be no Andrew Carnegies, no Warren Buffetts, no Bill Gates. Who does the deciding. How much am I allowed to have. When is my income enough and by whoes standard is such a standard decided?

 

[darkbeaver]

darkbeaver

("freedom can't be relative"......China in conversation with himself ,Nov 24,07,
Qing Dao ,Shandong ,PRC,at 2145,There darkbeaver ,is that better ?hahahaha

Ok , I expire those are reliable references I believe.

 

[darkbeaver]

Without greed for one thing. Wise people would do the using and obviously more people would benefit if they settled for just what they can use instead of going to excess.

"The injustices that occur in capitalism result from inequitable distribution of profit, not in creation of profit itself. Over the years, capitalism has been made more equitable by legislation, unions and taxation." - Hal McKenzie

"Capitalism, rather than being an evil system, is a marvelous tool which when used wisely by humane leaders, can meet all man's material needs. The only revolution needed in capitalism is a moral and ethical one that can direct it towards that purpose." - Hal McKenzie

How the flippin Phuck are you gonna sell that idealistic nonsence to the rich? You'd be turffed off thier doorstep so fast both of your heads would spin. And don't mention legislation or regulation remember that's where we started. There are no bad corporations just bad managers. hahahahahah:lol:

 

[Walter]

Think Progress, the Grandaddy of Liberal Websites, Shuts Down
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Schadenfreude. Good thing the economy is so good, the folks who lost their jobs will easily find a new one.

 

[VIBC]

Capitalism is freedom.

Capitalism is a word. The number of meanings individuals ascribe to the word, and the number of ways they use it, is potentially as large as the size of the population. It's far more useful to describe what specifically you're talking about than to call it 'capitalism' (or any other ism.)

 

[VIBC]

Capitalism is freedom, socialism is safety.

Oh yes, and War is Peace.

 

[VIBC]

Your mistake is in conflating capitalism with freedom. The two are distinct. From Merriam Webster .....

Niflmir; butting in and nitpicking ... I think it's not possible for two people to understand each other by consulting a dictionary? If there's a mistake in communication it needs to be explained by whichever party has been misunderstood. I see much confusion and 'talking past each other' because people don't clarify what they (not necessarily a dictionary) mean by using a word.

 

[VIBC]

I suggest that neither capalism or socialism has ever really existed. Sociallism in Russia, was snuffed out by Stalin who in fact was more of a faciest than Hitler. In turn the unbridled capalism of the 19th century was hijacked by greed and conduct without conscience that launched the industrial revelution and child labor.
What we tend to do is label systems that have been bastardized, and to not resemble the original intent.
I suggest all systems are subjected to tyrants that take advantage of their fellow man in the name of greed.
Raising the minimum wage should not be required if thinking people were running the system, as if the poorer people had more purchasing power.
Socialism attempts to even out the economy buth will never be able to do that and the current path of capalism could well lose control of the economy as today the markets are fuelled more by specualtion than actual productivity

I think I agree with most if not all of that, so I know why you're grumpy. Some days I'm grumpy too; others I just say "oh, well" and do some more garden planning or hobby stuff.