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Global warming looks very real to the UN:

```A UN panel has agreed a landmark report on climate change, and says the world must act hastily to prevent the worst predicted effects coming to pass.

After arduous talks in Valencia, Spain, scientists agreed a document they hope will shape debate on the next phase of the fight against climate change. It declared the fact of global warming "unequivocal", and said it may bring "abrupt and irreversible" impacts.```


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7098902.stm
 

Canucklehead

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According to historical accounts, it most certainly does. Guess you didn't watch that video I linked to about plagues and epidemics during the Little Ice Age. Too bad, because it's been removed from YouTube. Guess someone didn't want us to know the truth of the matter.

Uhmmm....how can something that's been long extinct be re-introduced????
Hey, we agree on something!!! The antibiotic craze is silly, and harmful to say the least.

But the idea that all kinds of unknown powerful organisms are going to attack us when the climate warms is just so much nonsense. Is Brazil currently being devastated by them? So why would we be if we warm up?
:lol:Oh no, not you too! Puleeze, that mythical sea level rise ain't about to happen. That's been debunked as baseless alarmism so many times I didn't think anyone really believed it anymore.

No, the video was gone.

In this case the extinction rests with the fact that all these germs etc are encased in ice. Scientists already acknowledge that they will return once they thaw out. There are organisms which can live in thousand degree water at a heat vent. There are germs in the atmosphere were the temps are way below freezing and germs can live in outer space. I'd say that is enough proof except for an extreme skeptic/cynic.

Where is the extra water going to go once the land based ice caps melt? I sure as hell wouldn't want to be living in Holland, that's for sure.
 

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Nope. Growing. Pushing through the Sahel. The heat related deaths are those who have died from reaching their upper limit.
I've read a couple articles lately that said the Sahara is shrinking, one of them said that it had shrunk by 300,000 square kilometers (or was it miles, I can't recall) over the last 25 years due to increased rainfall.
I doubt very much that those affected by the heat related deaths will think so.
The greater number whose lives are not lost to cold will most definitely think so.
Yeah, do you know what epidemiologists study?
Epidemiology is the study and treatment of epidemic diseases.
You seemed to think that chronic health effects would be unchanged by long term environmental degradation.
No, I think that chronic health effects would be unchanged by a warming climate.
I responded to your ludicrous assertion by asking if you were an Epidemiologist, who would understand how the health and illness of populations are affected by changes such as this, and how to implement plans for prevention. Epidemics while sounding like epidemiology have nothing to do with what I was asking from you.
See definition above. And the ludicrous part of this thread is the assertion that a warmer climate would result in deleterious health effects, when actual human experience indicates the opposite.
Back peddle, back peddle.
Well! I finally restated unequivocally what I originally stated enough times that you can't twist it around and you call it back pedaling. Pathetic.
 

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Global warming looks very real to the UN:

```A UN panel has agreed a landmark report on climate change, and says the world must act hastily to prevent the worst predicted effects coming to pass.

After arduous talks in Valencia, Spain, scientists agreed a document they hope will shape debate on the next phase of the fight against climate change. It declared the fact of global warming "unequivocal", and said it may bring "abrupt and irreversible" impacts.```


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7098902.stm
The IPCC and the UN are political organizations whose opinions on global warming have been discredited.
 

Extrafire

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No, the video was gone.
Pity. If you ever come across a showing or have access to "Little Ice Age - Big Chill" make sure to watch it. It's very interesting historically how the cooling climate affected the already-turbulent history of Europe. For instance, global cooling was largely influential in causing the French revolution!
In this case the extinction rests with the fact that all these germs etc are encased in ice. Scientists already acknowledge that they will return once they thaw out. There are organisms which can live in thousand degree water at a heat vent. There are germs in the atmosphere were the temps are way below freezing and germs can live in outer space. I'd say that is enough proof except for an extreme skeptic/cynic.
Well if the germs etc. still exist, whether they are encased in ice or not, they aren't extinct. And do we know they're there? Or (more likely) did someone just make that up and speculate that they would we unleashed on an unprepared world by melting?

Where is the extra water going to go once the land based ice caps melt? I sure as hell wouldn't want to be living in Holland, that's for sure.
Well, the land based ice caps aren't melting. It's well known that when the Norse colonized Greenland it was much warmer, the southern part of Greenland was lush and green, and they farmed there. Can't do that there now, not near warm enough yet. But although ice at the southern end of Greenland is melting, the rest of it is increasing as increased snowfall due to warmer air(which can hold more water) adds to it every year. Similarly, while the Palmer peninsula of Antarctica is melting, the rest of the continent is increasing its ice cover by 2 inches per year for the same reason. Besides which, even if it did melt, it would take many thousands of years to happen.

Interestingly, the pre-industrial era that alarmists are so worried about warming up from was the coldest time of the last 8000 years. It was a time of extreme misery, starvation, disease and war. Why would anyone not want to warm up from that?
 

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I said I'm through with you on this Extra, but I'll just say one last thing. Epidemiology is not the study of epidemics. It is the study of the occurrence, distribution and control of diseases, not only epidemics.