Obesity 'not individuals' fault'
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For some obesity is not a personal choice. I eat 3500-4000 calories a day and am slowly losing weight (15lbs in last year). I know many "fat" people who eat as much or less and continue to gain weight. I think genetics plays a big part. Then again to be technically obese is not that much beyond the "ideal" weight. Maybe I am talking about the really incredibly big people. I hardly ever broke 140lbs till I was 35 and I'm 5'11". I stopped riding my bike and ate lots of donuts and played video games all the time. I "ballooned" to 180lbs. Fat bastard! In short time I suffered a heart attck but was in no way obese.
Obesity is kind of a moving target. It's only a general consideration given height and weight. It doesn't take into account body types. Like a Mr. Universe could very well have a body mass index which says he is overweight. A body mass index of 30 or more is considered obese. I'm 1.8 meters (5'11), so for me that would be anything over 95kg (210 pounds). At my current weight, a little under 80 kg (170 pounds), I'm on the verge of hitting the overweight category. Which is ridiculous.
Obesity is BMI over 30
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/
A 5"5 person would have to be 180bs to reach a BMI of 30. I'm 5"5. It would not be an extra couple of pounds on my frame. It would be a lot of weight to carry. Even with big bones it would be a considerable amount of weight for a body of that height to be lugging around.
Here's something to consider....It's not just about your health. It's about quality of life. I can't imagine my frame with 180lbs. That's 60lbs heavier then I am now.
http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/
A 5"5 person would have to be 180bs to reach a BMI of 30. I'm 5"5. It would not be an extra couple of pounds on my frame. It would be a lot of weight to carry. Even with big bones it would be a considerable amount of weight for a body of that height to be lugging around.
Here's something to consider....It's not just about your health. It's about quality of life. I can't imagine my frame with 180lbs. That's 60lbs heavier then I am now.
It's funny thing though. They ask for one measurement, height, and give you a BMI in meters squared.
47th percentile with a BMI of 23.7 kg/m^2
there is no way i am overweight by any normal person's definition. but according to the BMI (BloodystupidMassIndicator) it puts me on the heavy side of overweight
A little food for thought for those who are trying to loose weight. Some know of the dangers of aspertame. But did you know it's bad for dieters? This might also be of interest to those who suffer Fibromyalgia. The toxins being put into our bodies is beyond anything ever in human history and we wonder where these autoimmune disease come from...
http://www.rense.com/general70/aasp.htm
http://www.rense.com/general70/aasp.htm
Well I work with someone who is morbidly obese. I have heard every excuse under the sun from her. She is healthy, in spite of high blood pressure. :roll:
She doesn't eat much. etc. I gave her a sheet to fill out so she could calorie count. Was she interested, nope.
She sweats profusely just walking across a room. Is this a problem for her? Hell no, turn down the air conditioning till the rest of us are shaking with cold.
Now she has had her stomach banded. $17,000 or more. Six weeks of liquid diet before hand. Then after surgery, more liquid diet. Then her gall bladder shut down. Surgery for that. More diet restriction. Has she lost weight in the last four months... Not really. 38 pounds. That's it folks. With aaaaaaaaaaall that agony.
She can go through a BAG of bridge mix in four hours during the day. A few cans of pop and a regular size meal. My sympathy is now zero folks. I am not lumping you all together. But for the love of God, she needs to get her ass off the couch, and get some counselling. After all this I asked her the other day, how many calories do you think there are in a pound? 10,000 she said. That is SICKENING. So before you condemn people who roll their eyes at obesity, just to let you know, it is tiresome to watch someone slowly and intently committing suicide. And if you open your mouth to help... well hell you just don't understand. And her husband makes her look small.
I'm tired of it. She can stuff her face. I am not saying another word.:-(
She doesn't eat much. etc. I gave her a sheet to fill out so she could calorie count. Was she interested, nope.
She sweats profusely just walking across a room. Is this a problem for her? Hell no, turn down the air conditioning till the rest of us are shaking with cold.
Now she has had her stomach banded. $17,000 or more. Six weeks of liquid diet before hand. Then after surgery, more liquid diet. Then her gall bladder shut down. Surgery for that. More diet restriction. Has she lost weight in the last four months... Not really. 38 pounds. That's it folks. With aaaaaaaaaaall that agony.
She can go through a BAG of bridge mix in four hours during the day. A few cans of pop and a regular size meal. My sympathy is now zero folks. I am not lumping you all together. But for the love of God, she needs to get her ass off the couch, and get some counselling. After all this I asked her the other day, how many calories do you think there are in a pound? 10,000 she said. That is SICKENING. So before you condemn people who roll their eyes at obesity, just to let you know, it is tiresome to watch someone slowly and intently committing suicide. And if you open your mouth to help... well hell you just don't understand. And her husband makes her look small.
I'm tired of it. She can stuff her face. I am not saying another word.:-(
38 lbs in 4 months is a huge amount of weight to lose Sal. That's a big shock to the system. You can't lose it a whole lot faster than that short of having it sucked out. The lapband system, I have friends who've gone on it, and docs say to expect about 50 lbs a YEAR Sal... a year. She's lost almost that much in four months... she's way ahead of the game.
The 3500 calories to a pound is a general rule of thumb, but misleading. The idea was, a calorie deficit or gain of 3500 calories in a week say, will give you a pound lost or gained respectively. But, you would be wrong if you assumed it was a pound of fat. Lean people are more likely to lose a larger percentage of lean tissue as opposed to fatty tissue in this situation. Contrasting that with fat people losing more from fatty tissue. Hence why overweight people can tolerate a calorie deficit better than a lean person can.
Also, the metabolized energy from different tissue yields different caloric values. A pound of muscle in fact is only 600 calories, while fat is 3500 calories. So depending on what type of tissue you lose, 3500 calories could be 1 pound of fat, or roughly 6 pounds of muscle.
Eating fiber will also reduce the caloric intake of what you eat. The fiber helps speed the food through, like draino for your tract
Also, the metabolized energy from different tissue yields different caloric values. A pound of muscle in fact is only 600 calories, while fat is 3500 calories. So depending on what type of tissue you lose, 3500 calories could be 1 pound of fat, or roughly 6 pounds of muscle.
Eating fiber will also reduce the caloric intake of what you eat. The fiber helps speed the food through, like draino for your tract
Eating fiber will also reduce the caloric intake of what you eat. The fiber helps speed the food through, like draino for your tract
Not to mention speeding toxins right out of your body. The intestinal tract works from beginning to end. That which sits inside it is constantly having stuff removed...Not good on todays' diet of fast food, processed food, air pollution, house hold chemicals...best have that removed from the body as fast as possible.
I'm also a big fan of the probiotics and prebiotics. Keeps you healthier, aids digestion, and less ermmm blockage
Especially after recovering from an illness. Those antibiotics do more than kill off the bad bacteria. Gotta replenish those beneficial intestinal microfauna.
I was just hearing on the radio about a doctor talking about the parasites that live in our intestinal tract and how a parasite cleanse is a good thing for us. Cultures all across the globe had been doing such for eons, but us here in North America seem to have stopped. The excrement from these unwelcome guests can cause all kinds of pollution in the body and can trigger autoimmune problems.
Interesting stuff.
Interesting stuff.
Do you remember any specific parasites he mentioned? It is very interesting indeed. If I do a masters here after the undergrad, I'd like to do an interdisciplinary in nutrition/microbiology. That seems to be what the aquaculture field is moving towards out here anyways, after the loss of the NRC positions in Halifax....