Public Flogging in Iran

[karrie]

Toro just posts a quote from a link and then posts the link with no explanation at all to whether he condones the flogging or not. Isn't that against the rules of this forum? If not it should be.

I suspect that Toro thinks that the U.S. would be just and right to do something to stop Iran from flogging it's people or otherwise why post that. Never mind that in Saudi they chop people's heads off in public. Toro appears to be typical of most Americans.

Welcome to CanCon Morris.

You will find these sorts of posts often in this group. An interesting news article will be shared, and views will flow forth, sometimes with the OP (original post) or sometimes later. Whether the person decides to share their view at all is beside the point. Sometimes they really truly have no opinion regarding the article, but know other posters will find it interesting. I'm sure as you get to develop a better feel of the group, you'll come to understand many of the people's posting patterns.

Please, feel free to take advantage of the introductions thread if you haven't already, and tell us a bit about yourself.

Again, welcome!

 

[Toro]

Toro just posts a quote from a link and then posts the link with no explanation at all to whether he condones the flogging or not. Isn't that against the rules of this forum? If not it should be.

I suspect that Toro thinks that the U.S. would be just and right to do something to stop Iran from flogging it's people or otherwise why post that. Never mind that in Saudi they chop people's heads off in public. Toro appears to be typical of most Americans.

Then we have this from dred: "We have the best system and it has grown out of civilized evolution....we have banned the strap and hanging.....these people should be forced into the modern world and be shown how to live properly."

Forced? Barbaric? No doubt that's the American mentality coming out of all of his orifices at the same time too!

Who will stop this American agression? Osama?

Am I to assume that you believe such incidents should not be brought to light? Religious leaders in Iran know the impact.

The public lashings have been endorsed by the judiciary as a way of deterring alcohol abuse at a time when it is on the increase among young men but some religious leaders are said to be questioning their validity, fearing they have an adverse impact on the country's image abroad.

Do you think that simply because the United States was not involved, we shouldn't bring human rights abuses committed by other countries to the attention of the world, that torture committed around the world should be ignored if it doesn't accommodate your political beliefs?

FYI I am a paid up member of Amnesty International, and have been for a decade. I'm pretty sure that Amnesty would disagree with your attempt to crassly politicize such barbaric practices.

And thanks to those on CanCon who've backed me up on this thread.

 

[Toro]

Some people in Iran are being abused if we are to judge them according to Canadian standards, which of course we have no right to do. According to US standards that should be left to speculation as even Habeus Corpus is being thrown out the window now. Of course it's evident to me that you really don't care for the people of Iran in the least as opposed to your feeling that we should be able to dictate through aggression on will on others. And of course we have no right to drag people into the modern day in order to satisfy ourselves that we must be on the side of right and all others must be wrong if they differ from us in any way.

The Ku Klux Klan in the 1960s South would have thought you were dead on.

 

[karrie]

After all, a person should at least give others an idea on where he/she stands on the issue. I would call it trolling if he/she didn't because that's what trolling really is all about isn't it.

I'd like to politely point out that you are demanding to know Toro's view before you will converse on the issue... yet you are saying it is trollish behavior to only discuss an issue once others have thrown out their points of view.

If you're concerned that a thread is mere trolling, you are always free to report it, and to not participate. But criticizing the posting patterns, or quality, of your fellow members will likely not earn you mutual conversation at CanCon.

 

[karrie]

Recognition can sometimes be confusing. Many people here over time have used identical avatars. I still think looking at Karrie's that she's Curio.

well, I anticipated your thoughts apparently, and changed it back, now that I have my old computer, and thus my fave image, back up and running.

 

[Phil B]

Educate yourself on the connotation of the word 'ape' and get back to me. Or preferably don't bother because I see there is nothing to be gained in talking to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

There is one minor problem with using the wiki as your bibliography so to speak and that is that anyone with an internet connection can edit any page without having any knowledge on the subject.

I know I'm teaching you to suck eggs, but others may not be quite so aware of that minor problem with the wiki.

 

[hermanntrude]

Hmm well wiki or no, the classification system for hominids has always been a bit messed up.

wiki is usually good for non-politicized subjects and often good for others too. I usually trust it, but with a pinch of salt added for taste

 

[hermanntrude]

interestingly, if you go ahead and read the article, it seems to be strongly suggesting that humans ARE apes. For instance, here is the taxonomy of the superfamily "hominoidea" which is the latin way of saying "ape". Note that Homo is a genus, classified under Hominoidea...

 

[Just the Facts]

I suspect from the Iranians I've talked to, that most Iranians are awaiting a moderate leader, that is the way their society is going.

I recently met an Iranian. He's a Baha'i. He was told to convert to Islam or leave the country. He left the country. I think that is more where they are headed.

As someone said, there is drinking there, and women walk about in plain clothes without much fear. That aside, every once in a while it seems the Government there has to make an example. I suspect if we leave them alone, they will come out alright.

Either that or there will be nothing left but examples.

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=iranian+crackdown+on+western+dress&meta=

http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=823488487&channel=527535507

Poking the lion in the Cage (ie. giving the radical/fundamentalists new zeal by invading) will only make matters worse, and destroy the forward momentum they have in Iran.

Woulds't that it were true. They've been left alone for thirty years, and only grown stronger and more belligerant.

 

[Morris C]

Welcome to CanCon Morris.

You will find these sorts of posts often in this group. An interesting news article will be shared, and views will flow forth, sometimes with the OP (original post) or sometimes later. Whether the person decides to share their view at all is beside the point. Sometimes they really truly have no opinion regarding the article, but know other posters will find it interesting. I'm sure as you get to develop a better feel of the group, you'll come to understand many of the people's posting patterns.

Please, feel free to take advantage of the introductions thread if you haven't already, and tell us a bit about yourself.

Again, welcome!

Well thank you for your explanation karrie but I still think it's lazy, counterproductive and an effort to troll when people don't bother to express their views in the OP. It really does suit the definition of the word 'troll' doesn't it! However I recognize that any effort to change things or improve the forum may not be accepted here. Actually I'm an old hand at this type of forum and know what works well and doesn't work. If the intent here is to just have a bunch of trolling babbling teenagers looking for something to piss people off with then the status quo is the route to take IMHO. ON the other hand, if the intent is to get a person's position on an issue he/she wishes to debate then telling him/her to state it in the OP is a good idea.

Maybe I just understand too well other people's posting patterns.

 

[Outta here]

Oh my goodness - errr Morris is it? If, as you say, you're an old hat with 'forums like this' then I'm quite surprised that you don't know posts that patronize a community in general before even getting to know the individuals that make up that community is not likely to be perceived as anything but... well, trollish. :lol:

We welcome all people here, and would like to welcome you too - but we're not interested in having a complete strange wander into our midst and verbally peer down his nose at the forum, nor it's members.

As Karrie said, why don't you make your way over to the intro thread, share some stuff about yourself and allow us to get to know you a bit. You could also wander the threads a bit and check out the different posting styles of the membership, and perhaps engage someone you find interesting in discussion. It's a big place, I'm sure you'll find something to your liking if you go looking for just that.

 

[wallyj]

Well , I want to go off-topic also.I have noticed that DocDred and DurkaDurka both have similarities in thier avatars and names. Are you two close or related ? Back on topic,the floggings will continue until morale improves.

 

[gopher]

```I recently met an Iranian. He's a Baha'i. He was told to convert to Islam or leave the country. He left the country. I think that is more where they are headed.```

Despite their professed pacifism, Bahais worked for the brutally repressive Shah and made up a segment of the Gestapo like SAVAK which was trained and financed by the CIA and Mossad.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Back on topic,the floggings will continue until morale improves.[/COLOR]

ya killed me with that one...big time

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

an official brandishing a cane repeatedly lashes the back of a man found guilty of breaking Iran's morality laws.


Wow - sounds almost as bad as Stacey Koon beating the sh*t out of Rodney King or of the thousands of instances of brutality boasted of by Mark Fuhrmann, each of which was done with impunty and called heroic by Rush Limbaugh.

LOL dude ..get real...none of what you said is sanctioned by law in the Great Satan....thank Satan!!

 

[triedit]

Wow Morris....you think quite highly of yourself.

I have nothing to add to the topic. I just wanted to say I don't much like you, based on what I've seen here.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Well at least you appear to want to discuss the issues, albeit in your awkward way. Awkward because you seem to want to know my opinion on several questions without revealing your own opinion. In my experience that's usually an indication of trouble coming.

Oh I think ya know my opinion. It's pretty plain right up there

Some people in Iran are being abused if we are to judge them according to Canadian standards, which of course we have no right to do.

Sorry there , Candadian standards are what is bringing muslims to our country in droves....Hopefully anyway...why you here cause you don't like our standards...all it takes is one person abused by a government in this fashion to have that government revealled as Barbaric.

According to US standards that should be left to speculation as even Habeus Corpus is being thrown out the window now.

Of course it's evident to me that you really don't care for the people of Iran in the least as opposed to your feeling that we should be able to dictate through aggression on will on others. And of course we have no right to drag people into the modern day in order to satisfy ourselves that we must be on the side of right and all others must be wrong if they differ from us in any way.
I do care...Hoobastum...You have no right on this planet to continue to flog people in public....we don't like it...we used to do it ...and we grew out of it...as you should....are you defending public flogging?


I won't comment on the Shah of Iran because it's obvious to me that anyone who can't spell the word correctly won't have an opinion on the matter that's worthy of my time.

Yer going to diss me over sp and typos....LOL


If you would like to present an informed opinion on that U.S./Western imposed dictatorship then read up on the issue and get back to me.

You tell me where the Shah of Iran was a dictator put there by the U.S. ...thats a mouthfull you just spoke....by the by...i would place him there over these ayatolah fellers anyday

As for discussions on the wearing of the Burqa, you should perhaps read up on that issue too and ascertain whether or not the people in Arabic countries are wearing the Burqa as a personal religious choice or it is being pressed on women by the male population. Your new information may surprise you!

Please don't ....you know who wants to cover them up...It wasn't Mohammed peace be upon him....New information sounds like newly reworked propaganda...stay real...

Sorry I can't comment further but your lack of expressing your own opinion sort of left me cold.

Pretty lame tactic at bowing out....why did you comment to me and tell me that you don't want to comment to me?


Hodaoffice....sorry for the mispelling...thats "Go with the Protection of Allah."

If you only knew who you think you are talking to man....

tasha kurr
Doc

 

[smilingfish]

Is it anything of our business? So who is righter? Everybody thinks his way is the best. But really, who is really righter? People from different nations are different, different species are different. Should we force lions to change because the way they kill those antelope is too crual in our eye? As long as those lions are not coming to your land to bite you, Just let it be.

 

[wallyj]

Is it anything of our business? So who is righter? Everybody thinks his way is the best. But really, who is really righter? People from different nations are different, different species are different. Should we force lions to change because the way they kill those antelope is too crual in our eye? As long as those lions are not coming to your land to bite you, Just let it be.

Incredible,you are defending public flogging. I suppose then that genital mutilation is OK ,as well as stonings and beheadings. I guess if the guy next door is cornholing his 5 year old son ,that's OK too,as long as he isn't touching your kids.

 

[Morris C]

I'd like to politely point out that you are demanding to know Toro's view before you will converse on the issue... yet you are saying it is trollish behavior to only discuss an issue once others have thrown out their points of view.

If you're concerned that a thread is mere trolling, you are always free to report it, and to not participate. But criticizing the posting patterns, or quality, of your fellow members will likely not earn you mutual conversation at CanCon.

Huuuuuhhhhh? With all due respects miss moderator, I'd like to point out that you are terribly confused on what I am saying. I have never even suggested that it is trollish behaviour to only discuss an issue once others have thrown out their points of view. Read carefully this time what I am saying. I believe that it is trollish behaviour (to use your rhetoric) to post a thread without giving a POV on the issue. I would also suggest to you that people who don't express their own POV in the OP are not interested in discussion as much as they are interested in shocking others or taunting others. I'll do a little investigation when I have the time to determine for my own interest whether or not the offending member is up to that or not. If you wish to be informed of my findings let me know. It's quite common practice with many forums to demand that. If you don't approve of the idea then just forget it. I see no reason to start with your idle threats or suggestions of my fellow members not respecting me. Or whatever it is you are suggesting or threatening.

I think I should also point out to you that I am not interested in conversation with just anyone here on your (my) forum. I am rather more discriminating in who I talk to. If I drive off a few ignorant sots then that will be to my benefit. As time goes on you will find that I gather friends who are in agreement with my political views and really, that's the only friends I am interested in anyway.