Mayor Miller declares war on Toronto

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David Miller the Mayor of the city of Toronto is ready to get tough with the people that live in Toronto.

In the beginning of this year the province of Ontario gave a gift to this city, which is called The City Of Toronto Act, which means that the city can charge extra taxes on services that the people already pay for.

The first tax grab that he tried to pass was putting and extra two percent tax on land transfer which the province also charges which in effect doubles the amount on what people have to pay if they buy property in Toronto and since the average price for a house is three hundred thousand dollars that is a big chunk of change.

He also wanted to add an extra tax on vehicle registration doubling that cost as well.

They had a vote on this highly controversial tax in the beginning of the week and was deferred by one vote until after the provincial elections this fall.

Mayor Miller was going to spend four million dollars on his office and another six million dollars to beautify city hall and he had to cancel his plans and he is angry.

On 640News I heard that the commissioner of the Toronto Transit Commission wants to shut down part of the subway system and dramatically decrease bus services to make the people suffer so they pressure their councilors to vote for this user pay taxes.

This Mayor is not ready to roll up his sleeves and help fix the problems like he promised all he did was to support a raise in his wages by forty percent in the beginning of the year.

Mel Lastman the previous mayor would have handled this crisis differently and would have brought the communities together but this mayor just cries and threatens.

The sad part about this is, we are stuck with him for another four years.
 
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all our mayors are wierd...Lastman was a loony toon...i loathed him useing his furniture store slogan "No body beats bad boy NNNNOOOOOOOO body"
he used to use it towards like toronto sports and junk....NNOO body is better than the makle leafs....(not worthy of capitoil m or l )


the last great mayor was June Rowlands...class act ceptin her not really understanding youth...She refused this new band to play new years eve at city hall unless they changed their name...she did not like the name.....

r u ready......Bare Naked Ladies lol!
ok one lil feaux pas and it's curtains....we ended up with Barbera Hall ugh.
 

Colpy

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Moronic Mayor Miller mulls major manipulation.

Surprize!

This guy is a complete arsehole.

One thing about a democracy.....most people get the government they deserve.
 

BitWhys

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I get the distinct impression I'm not getting the whole story here, but maybe its time to replace him with a double-talking conservative so the city will be more in alignment with the kiddies-with-the-family-visa-card fed.
 

Impetus

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Here's my plan to save Toronto.

  1. VLT Parking meters. Yes, you pay a little more to park, but an extra number is printed on your parking ticket and every night there is a draw for a night out including limo, dinner, show, and hotel room plus $500 spending money. People will be dropping coins in these babies even if they don't own a car!
  2. Red light district with licensed brothels. This will raise huge revenues for Toronto and recoup much of the salary paid to councillors and other city bigwigs. Reduces policing costs and takes more sex workers off the street. Conveniently located within walking distance of city hall to reduce transit expenses.
  3. Licensed marijuana-friendly coffee shops. Increases tourism by huge order of magnitude. Becomes the new council chambers away from city hall. Suddenly better decisions will be made. Surrounding dining establishments benefit from the munchies.
  4. Put all downtown metro cops on bicycles. Way cheaper than cars and they'll be in better shape.
  5. Replace the CNE grounds with a year-round adult theme park (OK, with a kid section too)
  6. Bury the Gardner Expressway and turn the lakeshore into the world's largest leash-free dog park. OK, it won't save money, but it sure pisses off dog-haters, cat-lovers and the panhandlers who currently haunt drivers at the lights on Lakeshore Blvd under the Gardner.
  7. Sell City Hall to Condo developers and move to a new leased location in the 905 region where rent, parking, eating, and recreation is cheaper.
Of course declare Muz benevolent dictator for life.

Muz
 

DurkaDurka

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I get the distinct impression I'm not getting the whole story here, but maybe its time to replace him with a double-talking conservative so the city will be more in alignment with the kiddies-with-the-family-visa-card fed.

Toronto City Council voted 29-28 to defer voting on the tax plan until the provincial election in October. Due to Miller not getting this way, he looks ready to stick it to the people who use transit, again. Miller plans to close the Sheppard subway line + increase TTC tolls to $3.00, fares have risen from $2.25 to $3.00 in 3 years now. Miller has brought the city to the brink of bankruptcy due to mismanagement and overspending, the cities cash reserves are down to nothing... I hope he bankrupts the city and provincial government takes it over, anything is better then him.
 

BitWhys

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Overspending in what areas and how much? I've heard that song and dance too many times to not take it with a grain of salt. What I've learned to expect out of people making that claim is a shopping list of pet peeves that's never agreed on in the aggregate because the aggregate wants the world but isn't willing to pay for it.

If Toronto is on the brink of bankrupcy wouldn't it be imprudent to not take measure now rather than wait? Transit would seem a likely target since it probably presents the necessary levels of cashflow to make a difference.
 

DurkaDurka

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His refusal to hire non-union workers for the most menial of jobs, not having an open bidding process for the new subway cars, balancing increased budget spending by dipping into reserves.

More details here http://www.answers.com/topic/david-miller-canadian-politician

Bit: Miller could have taken action years ago, this money crunch has been festering for years now. Miller refuses to take any responsibility for Toronto's financial woes, now he doesn't have much of a choice apparently.
 

BitWhys

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No. I'm talking about people being paid well over $20.00/h to mop a floor.

I very seriously doubt that's all they do. Got a link?

and btw, don't bother trying to convince me any level of government I pay taxes into should be paying anything less than a decent living wage.
 

MikeyDB

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Just consider for a moment how much more space there'd be if we close nursing homes and simply executed the elderly.....lots more room in hospitals and all those millions upon millions of healthy young people burdened with an extra five bucks at the movies and the train station could finally live in Toronto without the weight of carrying the world on their backs..

The answer is simple...

Just compartmentalize thinking and identify some particular group that eveyone can hate for some reason or another....paying more for a bus fare than an elderly person should be sufficient cause for tearing down all the artificial appeasements made to these old people.

If David Miller wasn't an old person he'd know that the youth of the world don't want to pay for anything and giving a break to the old...or for that matter the disabled the homeless the ill and eveyone else who's penalizing the young for their youth...should be simply put on an ice floe and set adrift to make their way however they can....

Simple solutions abound.
 

DurkaDurka

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Bit, I will find you a link shortly.

Mikey, I am not one for dismantling services that do not directly affect me.

Millers refusal to hire anyone outside of a union has greatly increased the cities financial burden though.

Mikey, I don't think we should execute the elderly, we could use them as fuel though... kind of like in the Matrix.
 

BitWhys

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...Millers refusal to hire anyone outside of a union has greatly increased the cities financial burden though...

If you're so sure about that then you should be able to tell me what percent of operating is actually paid out in wages.
 

MikeyDB

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Bit, I will find you a link shortly.

Mikey, I am not one for dismantling services that do not directly affect me.

Millers refusal to hire anyone outside of a union has greatly increased the cities financial burden though.

Mikey, I don't think we should execute the elderly, we could use them as fuel though... kind of like in the Matrix.

Nah it wouldn't work...

Have you seen some of these old people....?

Skin and bones.
 

DurkaDurka

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BitWhys

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That's OK. I found what I was after. Capital was $1.25B for 2006. That's a $4.4B cashflow.

I don't know where you got 45% from. Page 137 has non-salary operating at 61.1% which makes salaries being roundabouts 27.8% of overall expenditures.

now then. Out of Fire and Ambulance, Police, Transit, Waste Management and all the other services the city provides, how much of the work would you call "menial"?
 

BitWhys

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and since the TTC is next in line after Police and debt charges and 90% of operating is salaries, how do you propose the city should reduce that particular cost centre's expenses without expecting it to provide the same level of service with less people?