Woman, 83, Found Covered In Feces, Ants

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MIAMI -- A man was charged with elderly abuse after his mother was found covered in red ants and lying in her feces in a trailer with no electricity, authorities said Friday. Lillian V. Smith, 83, died at a hospital Thursday, two days after she was discovered in the abandoned trailer with no running water or bathroom, authorities said. Newspapers had been stuffed in her anus to stop feces from spilling onto the bed, according to a police report obtained by The Miami Herald. Doctors said she also had a fractured right leg that had not been treated, the arrest report said. Sherrill "Bubba" Smith, 49, who shared the trailer with his mother, was charged with elderly abuse, authorities said. An autopsy showed the woman died of natural causes, Miami-Dade Police spokesman Roy Rutland said. Sherrill Smith is being held at the MetroWest Detention Center on a $15,000 bond. It was not immediately known if he had an attorney.
Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press.

 

Unforgiven

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Is it something that goes back to childhood or what? Why wouldn't you just drop her off somewhere and let the State take care of her? I wonder how long this had been going on?
 

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If it was for a minute it was to long.
And your right, the resources are there, why would someone do that?
 

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If it was for a minute it was to long.
And your right, the resources are there, why would someone do that?

No one missed her? We could be a little more socialist without going over to the Nazis or full blown communism. Would it be so bad to have Social Services looking for all these old people listed as tax deductions and social security recipients and making sure they are not stuffed with newspaper and acting as anthills?
 

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No one missed her? We could be a little more socialist without going over to the Nazis or full blown communism. Would it be so bad to have Social Services looking for all these old people listed as tax deductions and social security recipients and making sure they are not stuffed with newspaper and acting as anthills?
Why dump the responsibility on our social network? What about you? Are you aware of the elderly people around you? What steps have you taken to ensure they are healthy? We like to complain that our government does not do this or that, but saddly, we do not see that we are the first line of influence in the people around us.
 

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Why dump the responsibility on our social network? What about you? Are you aware of the elderly people around you? What steps have you taken to ensure they are healthy? We like to complain that our government does not do this or that, but saddly, we do not see that we are the first line of influence in the people around us.

The minute you give me the power to enter your home and act in your best interest I'll be right over to do so. But since I don't have that just yet, I can only act within the bounds of my compassion acceptable by law. So yeah I visit a number of older neighbours just to check in and share a story or drop off a little something I might find that I think they like.

But I don't have a mandate to do that. Just goodwill. The government on the other hand can and should act in the best interest on behalf of those who appear to be instable or unable to sustain the basics for themselves. As well those who fall into abuse due to a lack of resources.

Fact is in our culture, there are always some that don't take care of the people they should. So we can either stand by and watch, or turn away as the case may be and claim that it's none of our business, or we can step in, as Child Protective Services, does to intervene on behalf of those who can't or won't stand up for themselves.
 

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The minute you give me the power to enter your home and act in your best interest I'll be right over to do so. But since I don't have that just yet, I can only act within the bounds of my compassion acceptable by law. So yeah I visit a number of older neighbours just to check in and share a story or drop off a little something I might find that I think they like..

So you need a government mandate to care?
 

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Is your name Sanctus or Sanctimonious?

Caring doesn't keep the woman from dying with a newspaper shoved up her posterior covered in ants, that has been explained to you several times.

If you want me busting into you home and deciding your too old to make good decisions for yourself and taking care of you, good for you. I don't, and I would never want anyone doing that to me because "they care" (or say they do and abuse me worse as I would be elderly).

Of course better yet, Is to prepare for your own old age. Save money to hire helpers, and if you can't, think about Euthanasia. But I have no plans to rely upon charity in my final days.
 

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Is it something that goes back to childhood or what? Why wouldn't you just drop her off somewhere and let the State take care of her? I wonder how long this had been going on?

It's quite possible he was using her for the money. If she was dropped off at a hospital or old age home, her social security checks would stop coming in for the son to cash.

This story is sick. I don't think it's realistic to care for someone so dependent at home very often, but there are facilities, there are companies that do home care... There is just no reason for this type of thing to ever happen.
 

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Is your name Sanctus or Sanctimonious?

Caring doesn't keep the woman from dying with a newspaper shoved up her posterior covered in ants, that has been explained to you several times.

If you want me busting into you home and deciding your too old to make good decisions for yourself and taking care of you, good for you. I don't, and I would never want anyone doing that to me because "they care" (or say they do and abuse me worse as I would be elderly).

Of course better yet, Is to prepare for your own old age. Save money to hire helpers, and if you can't, think about Euthanasia. But I have no plans to rely upon charity in my final days.


By insulting me, do you feel it creates evidence for your point of view?

The onus is on each individual to actually give a s**t about the people around him, or her.

In doing so, you could act by reporting, if you were not able to enter the home. You could befriend a senior (imagine that) and spend time with them...which would allow you into their lives.

You could do something, even small, rather than wait for the government to do so.
 

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It's quite possible he was using her for the money. If she was dropped off at a hospital or old age home, her social security checks would stop coming in for the son to cash.

This story is sick. I don't think it's realistic to care for someone so dependent at home very often, but there are facilities, there are companies that do home care... There is just no reason for this type of thing to ever happen.

Indeed. I once worked a pretty extensive ministry in a Senior's Centre. It was a forever eye-opening experience to the treatment and low regard for our senior peoples!

In almost 6 years of this extended ministry, I noticed that the sooner the senior got to his or her death, the more the family popped up licking their lips to get at the Will.
 

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So you need a government mandate to care?

Earth to Sanctus, we miss you please come home. :)

Yeah I think it's pretty clear throughout history that you need to have a government mandate to care. Some people care deeply about those around them while others can sit down to a nice big holiday dinner and watch starving children suffer as entertainment. Without the rights to step in with resources to meet the job, the poor and downtrodden are left hopeless.

Can you spend the amount of time and money that is needed to see that things are well enough in your neck of the woods?
 

Zzarchov

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By insulting me, do you feel it creates evidence for your point of view?

The onus is on each individual to actually give a s**t about the people around him, or her.

In doing so, you could act by reporting, if you were not able to enter the home. You could befriend a senior (imagine that) and spend time with them...which would allow you into their lives.

You could do something, even small, rather than wait for the government to do so.


And how does that help this woman? You being demeaning and patronizing to people, acting like they are monsters "And only need to care" does not lend any credibility to you statement.

"Caring about" this woman would not have helped her. Anymore than "caring about" the suffering in other countries does anything, unless something is actually done.

You as a citizen would never have had the right to ever even know this woman existed. So stop insulting others as if "they only need to care", Care and a dollar is worth a dollar. Doing something is more important than caring, and right now laws prevent you from doing anything.
 

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And how does that help this woman? You being demeaning and patronizing to people, acting like they are monsters "And only need to care" does not lend any credibility to you statement.
Of course it does. Through caring you connect, and through connecting you assist.

"Caring about" this woman would not have helped her. Anymore than "caring about" the suffering in other countries does anything, unless something is actually done.
Caring is the beginning, and becomes the end of isolation.

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ou as a citizen would never have had the right to ever even know this woman existed. So stop insulting others as if "they only need to care", Care and a dollar is worth a dollar. Doing something is more important than caring, and right now laws prevent you from doing anything.
How is asking people to care for one another considered insulting? How very sad I feel for you.
 

Unforgiven

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I do already. That is the nature of my "job"

I'm afraid I'm not as familure with you as I might be at this point. I don't know what it is that you do Sanctus. But are you telling me that there is no need for any government assistance where you live, or at least where it is you work? I would like to know the general area you are talking about.
 

Zzarchov

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Its insulting because you act like if they want to do anything more than care about people "they just don't care enough"

Why feed the homeless? they don't need food, just care about them more. People who espouse that they do nothing, and that others do nothing to end suffering because "I care, and thats enough" bother me.

Its appalling.