That's obvious; if you're a member of a minority that MHz doesn't like, then you shouldn't have kids.
Adopted Children Forced Into Gay Lifestyle
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Really? I'd think that would be the only thing that would accomplish it. If you have a good friend whose mother is gay, I doubt you'd care. That's how it is for me anyways.
By the way, adopting a child isn't "having other people's children to raise". When you adopt, that child is your child, not someone else's. I am my parents daughter. They weren't like substitutes stepping in for my real parents. They are my real parents in every way that matters.
I doubt this is west, although he's acting very similarly (ie stupid). The fact is that he would have been banned by now by the powers-that-be here because he would be breaking the rules. Unless of course there's no way to catch him...
I'm saying that a gay couple, that is two men or two women, don't qualify as 'husband and wife' period. Let them have their own children, oh yeah, a physical impossibility. Calling a man a wife doesn't make him a woman now does it?
I don't care all that much how much the 'couple' have to endure 'rejection from society', (or socially accepted) that should be a big clue to them that 'attempting an appearance of a 'normal family' by 'having a child' will take that away. NOT
I am assuming most request for adopting a child is for a brand-new baby, or as close to new as possible. Why not go for the 'older children', at least they have some input right from the start. You are saying the 'child will adjust', why even put them in a situation where they even have to adjust?
They could avoid the whole issue of adoption by getting somebody pregnant who is 'under contract', that isn't going to remove the 'things outside the home' that the child experiences.
It is NO for a gay couple to adopt children, take up a 'different hobby'.
A gay couple can't have kids, thats why there is male and female in every species. To find a loop-hole is just that, finding a loop-hole. Minority, gay couples are only a generation away from being an extinct species dolt.
I (almost) sure the neighbors might throw a party for a gay couple should they fly over a half-dozen kids from some orphanages in some war torn country. Say up to the age of 10, then their superior parenting skills can really be put to use. But the gay couple won't attempt that because they want 'normal children'. How two-faced is that, bring a 'normal child' into an 'abnormal family'. LOL
That they need 'their own bars, parades, etc' shows just how 'outside' they really are.
Gays aren't ever going to be a generation away from being extinct because most of them are born to heterosexual couples.
So then you are also saying Fertility treatments for Infertile people are wrong MHz? Since they can't have kids either?
And infertile people also should not be allowed to adopt and they too should pick up a "different hobby"?
That sum it up?
As for "man and wife" I don't recall ever voting to institute that as the definition of marriage, hell...the majority of religions on the planet don't describe marriage that way.
If you want that to be the definition of marriage, perhaps it is you who needs to pick up a "new hobby"
And infertile people also should not be allowed to adopt and they too should pick up a "different hobby"?
That sum it up?
As for "man and wife" I don't recall ever voting to institute that as the definition of marriage, hell...the majority of religions on the planet don't describe marriage that way.
If you want that to be the definition of marriage, perhaps it is you who needs to pick up a "new hobby"
Zzarchov, Tracy,........this MHz logic doesn't add up.....its futile to argue individuals like this. If he was gay and married and had adopted a kid then he may be worth listening to. But this is not the case. Somethings are better left in the dark...
The mods have my IP, why would I want to be part of a board where I have to use a proxy server?
Probably best Lot gave up his daughters to the mob than giving up the two Angels, ya think. When Lots daughters seduced him later whose child do you think they carried, somebody from the mob or their dad's?
In the other incident that is covered extensively, how many people lost their lives because of that 'incident'?
What's your point, useless information unless you are the only one in society that child has contact with.
Wrong, adoption only makes a person a caregiver for somebody else's child, adoption doesn't pass or alter one single gene. Ever hear of an adopted child wanting to meet their 'real parents', that doesn't diminish the love they have for the ones who raised them.
A gay couple can only pass on their morality to the child, without having their very own children that bloodline does come to an end, no matter how many children they adopt.
Did I ever say that, no.
Did I ever say that,no.
You really should try to pay attention to what I actually said instead of adding your own thoughts and then deciding what it is I said.
Since God didn't ask for your opinion you never had the opportunity to 'vote' in the first place.
This topic has been about gay couples who have taken a vow of marriage before God (the only one who defined what a marriage is) that then want to take the next step, but since they can't have their own children they have to 'borrow one' from somebody who has not been able to provide a home for the one they gave birth to.
Redefine marriage all you want, that doesn't alter one jot from the way God had defined what He calls marriage.
That's not the law. As far as our society is concerned, I'm my parents' daughter. Once an adoption is finalized, it is the same as if the child was born to the adoptive parents. They even issued a new birth certificate for me. Adoptive parents aren't caregivers for anyone else's children. If they were, they'd have to seek the bio-parents' consent for things and they don't.
I am an adopted person who has met her biological parents. They gave me their genetic materials and I appreciate it, but that isn't what makes a parent. My real parents are still my adoptive parents and I'm still their real daughter. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.
True, but the same could be said for my parents who were infertile or for me if I choose not to have children. That still doesn't mean gays will be extinct. It only means gay couples will not have biological children with their partners. More gay people still will continue to be born to heteros.
Well, you think god defined a man and a woman (singular) being marriage, I'd like to find one quote in your bible. Not that I care, marriage for legal purposes is a secular matter. render unto caesar what is caesars. You can have a religious wedding without needing secular blessing, and you need not give religious blessing to secular marriages.
And I have been reading what you are saying. Your reasoning for why Gays cannot marry nor adopt does not end in a neat little box, you must apply the same logic to others.
If you can't, then just come out and honestly say your reason against this matter, rather than lying false reasons to try and win the approval of others. If you are against sexual minorities, so just state your position and stand by it, don't try and wrap it in liberty and justice to trick people into agreeing with you.
And I have been reading what you are saying. Your reasoning for why Gays cannot marry nor adopt does not end in a neat little box, you must apply the same logic to others.
If you can't, then just come out and honestly say your reason against this matter, rather than lying false reasons to try and win the approval of others. If you are against sexual minorities, so just state your position and stand by it, don't try and wrap it in liberty and justice to trick people into agreeing with you.
Really - so adoption never happens through a group home? So, it's a myth that First Nations were pissed off that native kids were being adopted out to non-native families?
Please don't think I am siding with westmanguy - I actually agree with the anti-homophobe, anti-bigotry camp. It's just that adoption is regulated by the gov't. And for sure there is private adoption as well.
Please forgive the snarky tone - it felt good and I really didn't mean it.
Maybe I'm just a bad person. . .
Pangloss
You already are in the dark about who I am and where I come from.
I'm not gay for sure, but I happen to be raising one of my step-kids two kids. The one I've had since he was born is a lot less of a problem than the one that came here just when he turned a teen. With the latest one, I doubt my days sitting in a courtroom are going to end anytime soon.
Originally I was going to say "Sorry bout that" but then I see you're not immune to the same tactic.
Let's see, adoption=raising somebody else's child.
homosexual=a condition that eliminates any chance of becoming a 'natural parent'.
Gay people don't have 'offspring', maybe it is nature's way of culling the herd. LOL
Why do you think the bio-parents have to sign some forms that specify they are giving up all parental rights? Why do you think those forms are sealed?
It isn't the same 'as if', it means the 'natural parents' can renege on their decision to not be the person who is going to raise that child. Did that 'new certificate' state the birth-date as being the day the adoption was 'finalized' or the date the child was actually born?
You have two people who gave you life and two different people that were responsible for what has happened during your life, so what?
If a person does not have one of two roles in creating a new life that bloodline is extinct. It will be the hetro children's (assuming there is more than one child born to the parents of a gay child)bloodline that continues.
It doesn't matter if you care or not.
KJV 1611
Ge:2:22:
And the rib,
which the LORD God had taken from man,
made he a woman,
and brought her unto the man.
Ge:2:23:
And Adam said,
This is now bone of my bones,
and flesh of my flesh:
she shall be called Woman,
because she was taken out of Man.
Ge:2:24:
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother,
and shall cleave unto his wife:
and they shall be one flesh.
Ge:2:25:
And they were both naked,
the man and his wife,
and were not ashamed.
Were Adam and Eve married in God's eyes or not? Clearly defined, a wife is a woman who is joined to a man. Calling an elephants trunk a leg does not make it one.
"render unto caesar" is about paying taxes and money in general.
Lu:20:23:
But he perceived their craftiness,
and said unto them,
Why tempt ye me?
Lu:20:24:
Shew me a penny.
Whose image and superscription hath it?
They answered and said,
Caesar's.
If any person who performs a 'marriage ceremony' is 'affiliated with or tied to the Holy Bible' in any way, shape, or form then it is that Book that defines what a 'marriage is', call it what you will but two guys or two gals can spout words all the day and they still do not fit the description of what 'joined in marriage' means.
I'm not that vain that my opinion forms via the approval of others.
What does 'lying false reason' even mean?
A marriage vow has a man saying something about taking another for his wife, since a wife is a woman who is trying to pull a 'fast one', certainly not me.
M't:19:5:
And said,
For this cause shall a man leave father and mother,
and shall cleave to his wife:
and they twain shall be one flesh?
In any gay marriage you either have two fathers or two mothers, neither of those is a 'marriage'.
what you said was 'adoption doesn't work that way'. I told you all the adoptions I've seen HAVE worked that way. I wasn't presumptuous enough to try to blanket statement such a large issue as adoption. I qualify my statements. Nowhere did I imply that government or closed adoptions don't happen. Whereas, you DID imply that open adoptions don't happen. It took me aback a bit, because there have been quite a few adoptions in my family, and there is always that tough time where the mom pours over files full of info on various families who want her child, trying to decide which would be best. It's always been her decision in the end. I've never seen it done any other way.
MHZ - Do you work at being wrong?
Homosexuality has nothing to do with the ability to produce offspring - fertility does. A lesbian friend asked if I would donate sperm - I declined, but only because the only child I will father is the one I will take part in raising - anyway, another friend was willing, and now she and her spouse have an awesome son - and I'm an "uncle." This happens all the time, invalidating your argument. But hey, why use logic?
Using scripture to buttress your argument only works if your audience is of the same faith, actually the same denomination of the same faith. It looks like most of us are not. . .so why keep posting stuff that gets ignored and takes up space?
Pangloss
Homosexuality has nothing to do with the ability to produce offspring - fertility does. A lesbian friend asked if I would donate sperm - I declined, but only because the only child I will father is the one I will take part in raising - anyway, another friend was willing, and now she and her spouse have an awesome son - and I'm an "uncle." This happens all the time, invalidating your argument. But hey, why use logic?
Using scripture to buttress your argument only works if your audience is of the same faith, actually the same denomination of the same faith. It looks like most of us are not. . .so why keep posting stuff that gets ignored and takes up space?
Pangloss