Adopted Children Forced Into Gay Lifestyle

[MHz]

Liberal guy,

Do you even know someone in your life who is gay? (if you don't you probably do without knowing it)

Have you ever spoken to anyone who is gay?

Homosexuals come in all types, you can't just stupidly put them in a category like you do. You refered to the gay pride parades and all the exhibition going on... Did you ever stop a second to think that their are many homosexuals who DISAGREE with these demonstrations? Do you really think that all homosexuals are sexual exhibitionists? Why do you think homosexual parents would openly demonstrate their sexuality in front of their kids? They would probably demonstrate love (hugging and yes, perhaps kissing) but love and sex are 2 different things.

You are seriously prejudiced towards homosexuals. Seriously, wake up and walk into the real world. I often go out in gay bars because my brother is gay and one of our common friends is lesbian. There's nothing scary about that. You know why I don't mind going into a gay bar? Because I'm comfortable with my sexuality. Are you? Homosexuality for me is as much a non-issue as someone's favourite color.

Would you be going to those bars if your brother wasn't gay?
Is your brother with you when you go?
Does your brother go with you to straight bars?
I'm comfortable with my sexuality also although I can rebuild engines better than I can build a dress with a sewing machine. I'm also pretty comfortable around a bunch of women talking about parenting, which I have to do occasionally as a single parent.

Perhaps the whole thing could be solved by one of them having a sex-change operation, then nobody, but them, would even know it wasn't just like it appeared to be.

Straight up question, would a prospective gay couple drop any thought of adoption if there was a possibility that the child could get stressed out due to the words and actions of those outside their home?

You also know that not all 'adoptable children' come 'factory fresh' due to their parents actions before or after-birth, right?

 

[El Barto]

Perhaps the whole thing could be solved by one of them having a sex-change operation, then nobody, but them, would even know it wasn't just like it appeared to be.
is it me or is this totally absurd?
Straight up question, would a prospective gay couple drop any thought of adoption if there was a possibility that the child could get stressed out due to the words and actions of those outside their home?
wow kids get stressed out for other reasons too so whats your point?

Just sounds like so much fear, who's to say that you instill fear and any other negative habits to your kids? Like divorced parents who degrade the other due to a bad breakup.
This arguement doesn't stand up.

 

[gc]

he is also stating that it is I who "outed" him, as it were.

I didn't even know west was gay

 

[MHz]

Just sounds like so much fear, who's to say that you instill fear and any other negative habits to your kids? Like divorced parents who degrade the other due to a bad breakup.
This arguement doesn't stand up.

The argument is about a situation that is going to happen, period, not might happen, will happen. If parents resort to degrading one another (or whatever) in a divorce they probably should have remained childless and concentrated on growing up themselves.
For raising children why wouldn't you want the world you are bringing them into to appear as normal as possible? An infant certainly gets no input into who adopts them, and older child would though and they might not want to have two parents of the same sex, their choice. If they don't care, like being adopted, period, is more important to them than who it is then no harm.
This isn't about parenting skills, it is about this. Will having two parents of the same sex be an issue for the child when they are outside the home and if you don't think that is an issue that should be explored I doubt you really give a **** about the child. Your concern is about the prospective parent getting just what they want and the impact on the child is the child's problem.

 

[snfu73]

I get liberaldudes point though...it is WAY better that kids grow up in a hate filled, homophobic, intolerant household than it is to live in a loving household with two gay fellas or ladies. Oh yah...way more healthy, indeed.

 

[MHz]

I get liberaldudes point though...it is WAY better that kids grow up in a hate filled, homophobic, intolerant household than it is to live in a loving household with two gay fellas or ladies. Oh yah...way more healthy, indeed.

You should change your profile to say stayed in Thunder Bay for a bit, still waiting for that growing up part to happen ROFLMAO

If it wasn't for dysfunctional hetro couples there would be no children to adopt DOH.

 

[snfu73]

You should change your profile to say stayed in Thunder Bay for a bit, still waiting for that growing up part to happen ROFLMAO

If it wasn't for dysfunctional hetro couples there would be no children to adopt DOH.

Red Deer you say? Would never have guessed.

Sooo...the only reason children end up in a situation where they are in need of adoption is dysfunctional hetero couples? Huh? What the hell are you talking about? And what exactly does this have to do with the post I made...or really with the whole topic at hand?

 

[able]

Don't put me in the homophobe category, but it has occured to me that todays children are exceptionally cruel, and are constantly searching for that which is different, to attack. My sentiments have shifted to the children, and their predicament. My children are in their 40s, so my parenting skills are no longer a factor. What I have heard, is that children are being singled out for special attention simply because of their clothes. It would seem to me that other children would definitely find the child in this situation to be a target of oppourtunity. I'm reasonably certain that kids don't abide by "don't ask, don't tell".

 

[s_lone]

Would you be going to those bars if your brother wasn't gay?

Not as often. I have a couple of friends who are gay so I tend to end up in one once in a while.

Is your brother with you when you go?

Usually, because me and my brother get along well and are very good friends, we spend a lot of time together.

Does your brother go with you to straight bars?

Of course. So do all my gay friends.

Straight up question, would a prospective gay couple drop any thought of adoption if there was a possibility that the child could get stressed out due to the words and actions of those outside their home?

Some gay couples probably do drop the idea of adoption out of fear for the way their child would be viewed in society. Others probably don't. I honestly can't really answer your question. I haven't yet met a gay couple who really seriously wanted children and were ready to do something about it.

 

[tracy]

I don't understand why people think this is any of their business. The only persons to decide where a child will be placed are his or her biological parents. If the bio-parents think it should be a gay couple to raise their child, that's their right.

 

[Pangloss]

I don't understand why people think this is any of their business. The only persons to decide where a child will be placed are his or her biological parents. If the bio-parents think it should be a gay couple to raise their child, that's their right.

Um, no. . .that's not how adoption usually works.

Pangloss

 

[karrie]

Um, no. . .that's not how adoption usually works.

Pangloss

Every baby I've seen given up for adoption was an open adoption decided on by the mom.

 

[Zzarchov]

This isn't about parenting skills, it is about this. Will having [parents who are some kind of minority] be an issue for the child when they are outside the home and if you don't think that is an issue that should be explored I doubt you really give a **** about the child. Your concern is about the prospective parent getting just what they want and the impact on the child is the child's problem.

Thats the crux of your arguement right there. "The parents are minorities which some people hate. therefore the child will have a harder life..so they should be childless".

So..with such rampant Islamophobia..should Muslim adults be banned from having children for the unborn childs benefit? Because that is what you are arguing, that in your mind only white heterosexual christian couples should be allowed children.

 

[tracy]

Um, no. . .that's not how adoption usually works.

Pangloss

Um yeah, it does. I am adopted. Unless the bio parents have their children taken from them for neglect or abuse, they get to choose the couple they want to raise their kid. If they don't care, then the agency will just pick and the bio parents could have specified they wanted a straight couple if that was important to them.

My birth parents chose my adoptive parents from their profile in the 70s. They didn't meet or anything, but my birth mom knew it was a married couple, their occupations, that they had another child already, their ethnic background, etc. Bio-parents today have the right to much more info if they want it. They are the ones holding all the cards since there are far more prospective adoptive parents than there are babies available for adoption. If they want an open adoption, they can have it. If they want a closed adoption they can have it. If they want a married hetero couple of a certain ethnicity or religion they can have it. If they don't care or if they want their child raised by a gay couple, that's their business and no one else's.

 

[able]

And why does no one concern themselves about what the children will have to go through? The parents won't have to face the schoolyard, the kids will, and their peers will hurt them, not the parents.

 

[tracy]

And why does no one concern themselves about what the children will have to go through? The parents won't have to face the schoolyard, the kids will, and their peers will hurt them, not the parents.

Barring any abuse, it isn't my place to tell someone whether they should have a family or not.

Maybe the parents of those hurtful peers could just teach them some manners instead of barring gay people from having children. Plus, I just don't think that's a valid reason not to have kids. You'd never tell a black person they shouldn't have children because they will face bigotry, so why would I say that to a gay person?

 

[MHz]

Thats the crux of your arguement right there. "The parents are minorities which some people hate. therefore the child will have a harder life..so they should be childless".

Try quoting what I actually said and not some twisted version of what the words mean after going through your various mental (balanced and unbalanced)filters.

"Will having two parents of the same sex be an issue for the child when they are outside the home"

One of my Grandson's former friends phoned last night to relay that he was going to be a parent. Lets look at a few facts, he is a former friend because he is a thief (as in several hundred $'s from my Grandson), he's a little over 18, jobless, his favorite pastime is smoking crack. ( I assume his girlfriend also smokes) Do you think I have any hope that his child will have much of a life (different from his parent), not likely.

So..with such rampant Islamophobia..should Muslim adults be banned from having children for the unborn childs benefit? Because that is what you are arguing, that in your mind only white heterosexual christian couples should be allowed children.

How deluded are you? I doubt any Muslim is going to go into one of their houses of worship and declare to God that they have taken another man for a wife.

Since you brought religion into the conversation.
Only a "Christian" would dare do that, add adoption to that and you are going to raise both eyebrows of God rather than just the one eyebrow that comes with "I take this man for my wife".
Scripture has several places where a father gives their virgin daughters over to 'some who would enjoy having sex with a male guest of theirs' rather than let do the same to a man.
If you can't understand what God is saying about those kinds of acts then you are probably part of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[able]

Try not to miss the point, I'm not telling anyone who can be a parent. In an ideal world, there would be no problems. Unfortunately, parents aren't teaching children to be civilized human beings, the kids are teaching themselves to be terrorists.

 

[MHz]

Barring any abuse, it isn't my place to tell someone whether they should have a family or not.

Maybe the parents of those hurtful peers could just teach them some manners instead of barring gay people from having children. Plus, I just don't think that's a valid reason not to have kids. You'd never tell a black person they shouldn't have children because they will face bigotry, so why would I say that to a gay person?

Since that hasn't been able to be accomplished at today's date I doubt the introduction of gay couples having other people's children to raise is going to be the catalyst that bring that into being.

 

[Zzarchov]

So, then you are saying, that if you are a minority of some kind (racial, sexual, religious) and you will suffer abuse for it, you shouldn't have children.

In one post you say no, then the next you say yes, which is it?