New Canadian Gun Law?

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Stretch said:
it was a serious question....
what, here in Canada, is the 1st rule when using a firearm?
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And it deserves a serious answer. I've never heard of any "official" first rule, since I've never had to take firearms training. I owned guns prior to the gun registry being implemented and I'm not interested in acquiring any new ones, so I got grandfathered as an owner with no record of dumb behavior. But my father always told me that the first rule is never point a gun at anything you're not prepared to shoot. Actually, he had more than one first rule, he was a little paranoid about gun safety, and I think he was right. He also told me always leave the safety on until you're ready to shoot, for instance, and when I went out bird hunting with him he always told me don't even load the gun until you're hiding in the bushes or in the blind or pit or whatever location you're going to shoot from. Anytime we changed locations he'd empty the magazine first and walk with the breech open and the safety on. And he told me never to shoot without knowing exactly what's down range beyond the target. He made no distinction about first, second, third, or subsequent rules, they were all first rules. So I suppose that means his real first rule would be to always handle a gun as if it were loaded, cocked, with the safety off, even when you know it's not. And I do.
 
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L Gilbert said:
Of course. But now what're ya gonna do? Shoot or stand there waiting for the jerk to beat you and wifey to death?
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Well, I don't think I would stand around waiting...noooo. I would...you know...run, or, yell, or something, I dunno...maybe offer a nice bowl of ice cream...that would make everyone happy.

I dunno...I mean, sure, there probably are cases where a gun could come in handy...but, I think for the most part, it's opening up more problems than creating solutions.
 
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DurkaDurka said:
I have a steady hand... that's about all I have to my advantage. If it came to it though, I wouldn't care where the lead went, as long as I am the one walking away. I would have no qualms what so ever with shooting or physically beating a villian to death if it happened.
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You are assuming alot...that you would have time to get the weapon, that in a new, scary, overstimulating situation you would still be able to handle the gun in a reasonable fashion, you are assuming that the gun would not create an escalation in the violence, you are assuming that the person who you want to shoot at is indeed a bad guy and you haven't misinterpreted the situation. You are assuming that YOU might not end up being hurt or killed by your own bullet.
 
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snfu73 said:
You are assuming alot...that you would have time to get the weapon, that in a new, scary, overstimulating situation you would still be able to handle the gun in a reasonable fashion, you are assuming that the gun would not create an escalation in the violence, you are assuming that the person who you want to shoot at is indeed a bad guy and you haven't misinterpreted the situation. You are assuming that YOU might not end up being hurt or killed by your own bullet.
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Inexperience, naiveness and boldness go with the territory I guess. I don't assume for a second that I would be come out on top in said situation, I certainly wouldn't sit docile to such a situation though,
 
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snfu73 said:
Well, I'm not saying you should sit docile, saying to someone, "I'm yours...do as you please."

But....is the gun the answer?
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I don't think guns are the answers to anything, in certain situations they make a mighty deterent though. I have never owned or fired a gun, sd maybe I probably know what I am talking about. I just like to feel that if I was forced into a situation, that I can be on par with the adversary.
 
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DurkaDurka said:
I don't think guns are the answers to anything, in certain situations they make a mighty deterent though. I have never owned or fired a gun, sd maybe I probably know what I am talking about. I just like to feel that if I was forced into a situation, that I can be on par with the adversary.
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Is it being on par...or stooping to the same level?
 
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s243a said:
It's not stooping to the same level. Stooping to the same level would be breaking into their house tying them up, robbing it then trashing it.
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Wow...now we are all inventing crimes...lol.

No, I see it as stooping to the same level. You can't control what others do...you CAN control what you do. If you want to shoot and maybe kill someone over, whatever, are you really any better? And is it really defensive...or revenge? And is it really making the situation better and safer? What consequences are you willing to live with if things go horribly wrong? I think it's very complicated. I don't think it is a matter of "own gun=be safe", but too often the argument is boiled down to that.

Besides...what about preventative measures? Security alarms, having one of those "help I have fallen and can't get up" devices, knowing emergency escape routes, building one of them cool panic rooms...whatever...:) Or, what about dealing with the issues in society or with individuals who are involved in these crimes to do everything that can be done to stop these crimes from even happening in the first place so it doesn't get to the point where anyone has to pick up a gun.
 
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snfu73 said:
Wow...now we are all inventing crimes...lol.

No, I see it as stooping to the same level. You can't control what others do...you CAN control what you do. If you want to shoot and maybe kill someone over, whatever, are you really any better? And is it really defensive...or revenge? And is it really making the situation better and safer? What consequences are you willing to live with if things go horribly wrong? I think it's very complicated. I don't think it is a matter of "own gun=be safe", but too often the argument is boiled down to that.

Besides...what about preventative measures? Security alarms, having one of those "help I have fallen and can't get up" devices, knowing emergency escape routes, building one of them cool panic rooms...whatever...:) Or, what about dealing with the issues in society or with individuals who are involved in these crimes to do everything that can be done to stop these crimes from even happening in the first place so it doesn't get to the point where anyone has to pick up a gun.
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I think those are all good ideas for preventative measures. Still I don't believe in being a hostage to crime and letting some buddy violate my home and walk all over me. Should we really make it easy for criminals?

A tazzar would be cool to. That way you could hold the balance of power with a gun and subdue them with tazer until the authorities arrived.
 
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Here is one for you. What if you testified against someone in a trial and they weren't convected. Do you trust the cops to keep you safe?
 
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s243a said:
Here is one for you. What if you testified against someone in a trial and they weren't convected. Do you trust the cops to keep you safe?
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Well...that's definitly a different situation. It would depend what kind of trial we are talking about...if it's, say, tax evasion, well, I dunno. It would depend what was offered by the authorities. It would depend on the relationship with the accused. It would depend on the personality of the accused. It would depend on...I dunno...a lot of things.
 
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s243a said:
I think those are all good ideas for preventative measures. Still I don't believe in being a hostage to crime and letting some buddy violate my home and walk all over me. Should we really make it easy for criminals?

A tazzar would be cool to. That way you could hold the balance of power with a gun and subdue them with tazer until the authorities arrived.
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Well....I mean, I don't see it as allowing someone to walk over you....there are measures that can be taken. And, okay, say someone breaks into your home and steals something...you may not be able to do anything at that moment...but possibly down the line, there WILL be an opportunity.

But, say you have a gun...and you aren't home...and someone breaks into your house and steals said gun...now we all have one extra gun on the street to deal with.

Now, how about this...the chance of something violent happening to a person is MUCH greater outside the home than inside the home...should we be allowing people to carry guns...not just have them in a drawer somewhere, but actually carrying guns around with them?
 
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snfu73 said:
Now, how about this...the chance of something violent happening to a person is MUCH greater outside the home than inside the home...should we be allowing people to carry guns...not just have them in a drawer somewhere, but actually carrying guns around with them?
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On the street you can't really stop a crime against you with a gun because you wouldn't see it coming. You could possibly stop a crime against someone else but is it wise to get involved. I don't think we should have too many people carrying guns around the street. I live in Calgary and I think the police are enough. As I think the streets in Calgary are pretty safe. Edmonton on the other hand ;) maybe some trained citizen's patrols/vigil Aunties could be a positive. j/k
 
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s243a said:
On the street you can't really stop a crime against you with a gun because you wouldn't see it coming. You could possibly stop a crime against someone else but is it wise to get involved. I don't think we should have too many people carrying guns around the street. I live in Calgary and I think the police are enough. As I think the streets in Calgary are pretty safe. Edmonton on the other hand ;) maybe some trained citizen's patrols/vigil Aunties could be a positive. j/k
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Us edmontonians do seem to have a strong desire to kill one another for some strange reason...maybe it's the weather...:)

Anyway, furthermore, it seems to me that for a gun to be an effective defense in a home, it would have to be easily accessible, loaded and ready to go...in other words, in breach of all safety recommendations. So, for the minute chance that someone may break into your home for whatever reason, you must have this deadly weapon at close range, filled with bullets ready to be fired at the ready....not too safe if you have children, pets, etc...although I don't know what that etc would be....
 
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