How about them Canucks!

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Oh brother, lost 1-0 first period of overtime. Close game all through, we had lots of chances
early in the game, they had more chances late in the game. Both goalies were amazing.
But, I am not enjoying these games, too much stress and tension, not like season games.
By the time game was over I didn't care who won, just wanted it to end. It reminds
me of all the sports my kids played years ago, (at a high level), lots of playoffs,
provincials, nationals. I remember the stress of those games. Don't need that now.
 

Kreskin

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Unfortunately the Canucks went into the 'prevent-win' turtle in overtime. Difficult to win when they elect to play the game in their own end. Only bad things can happen, no matter how good defensely a team is, if they don't bring the game to the other end of the ice. Looks like anyone's series now.
 

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Yeah, they didn't play particular well in the overtime, anyway that's the way the game went,
our chances, their chances, and on and on, and in the overtime, it was their chances, unfortunately there isn't a 'next' period.
 

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Imagine if that near own goal had of won the series...

Bieksa should have shot the puck around the boards on what lead up to that too many men on the ice penalty.Lol, armchair quarterbackin;) Oh well, they're still up.
 

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Unfortunately the Canucks went into the 'prevent-win' turtle in overtime. Difficult to win when they elect to play the game in their own end. Only bad things can happen, no matter how good defensely a team is, if they don't bring the game to the other end of the ice. Looks like anyone's series now.

I tend to agree. If the Canucks don't do something drastic about the way they are playing, they won't win another game.
 

talloola

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Imagine if that near own goal had of won the series...Y
Bieksa should have shot the puck around the boards on what lead up to that too many men on the ice penalty.Lol, armchair quarterbackin;) Oh well, they're still up.

Yeah, we were talking about that puck that went down the ice too, imagine winning/losing
a complete series based on a goal like that, it's OK if your the winner, but the loser will
have nightmares about it all summer, would have been interesting.
 

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I tend to agree. If the Canucks don't do something drastic about the way they are playing, they won't win another game.
If you are a dallas fan, you can say all the same things about them that we say about Canucks, as they place the same, we have both scored the same amount of goals, and
the two goalies are playing exactly the same. I think tonight the team who uses their
defencemen on the rushes the most, (with success), will come out on top, both teams play
very responsible defensifly, so one of them has to create a little more offense and the
defense will have to join the rushes to do that, hope it's us who does it right. It's just
too bad that we picked the overtime to freeze up last game, hope they learned from that
miscue.
 
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If the Canucks don't do something drastic about the way they are playing, they won't win another game.

They didn't win tonight either.......maybe they'll be better at home....:roll:
 

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If ever they needed Cooke. No energy tonight at all. I can skate better than that....
 

talloola

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They didn't win tonight either.......maybe they'll be better at home....:roll:
Well, in the next game, both teams will be facing elimination, last two games we weren't, and that
might not have anything to do with anything, but it is a fact. Didn't see the game tonight, but I
am listening to team 1040, and the analyst, Dave, who is an ex NHL player, has very INTELLIGENT explanations, and I really like listening to him. Since Mat Cooke went down,
Morrison has shut down, can't do anything, and it is very noticeable, as his last 5 goals were
assisted by Cooke, who was playing great, and was contributing, and that gave another line
that was scoring.The veterans, and the captain have to take the lead role
now, and not players like Beiksa, who is showing his rookie status in the playoffs, even though
he had a great season. Terrible start, stupid penalties, and a bad giveaway by Ohlund, caused
the two goals. Both goalies again played great, and that is what has to happen in playoffs.
The lack of scoring by Naslund compared to 'how' Modano has recently picked up his game, is
important in this series. The twins are being covered very close, and they are not fabulous
skaters anyway, so their style of play, can by shut down, and there goes more of our scoring.
They still have one more chance to pull this thing off, but if they don't, it's just the end of this
season, and we'll be back to go for it again, next year, it' won't be the end of the world. It's going to be tough as Vineault has to figure out who to play with who to get some scoring.
We're allready hearing from all the whiners and complainers who just wait for the team to
faulter, so they can throw in their useless information, as calls are coming into radio station,
pretty typical.
 

Kreskin

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The Canucks are a tight system oriented team. Over-achievers for their talent. They lacked scoring all year. Luongo singlehandledly got them about 20 points this season. Without him they would've had a hard time staying out of the cellar. Flaws don't go away, especially in the playoffs. They get magnified. So far they have been shutout three games. Four if you count the first three periods of overtime in game one.

They could still win the series. Anyone can win a one game knockout. Dallas might have one or two key injuries to deal with. Turco may be due to let in a lousy goal or two. Anything is possible.
 

talloola

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The Canucks are a tight system oriented team. Over-achievers for their talent. They lacked scoring all year. Luongo singlehandledly got them about 20 points this season. Without him they would've had a hard time staying out of the cellar. Flaws don't go away, especially in the playoffs. They get magnified. So far they have been shutout three games. Four if you count the first three periods of overtime in game one.
If your listening to radio right now, the follow calling in, makes sense, cooke and kesler are greatly missed, because they open up ice for our team, and also, Luongo played a long time in Florida on a so so team, and never ever got them to playoffs.

They could still win the series. Anyone can win a one game knockout. Dallas might have one or two key injuries to deal with. Turco may be due to let in a lousy goal or two. Anything is possible.
I agree with most of your points, but trying to get through Dallas is as tough as trying to
get through Canucks, both are so defensively minded, and which ever team manages to
get out of this series will give the next team fits, in the same way. Dallas are having
trouble scoring as well, and have all year, just like us, both goals tonight were from
blatant errors, something Dallas isn't doing of late, and which ever team commits those
errors, the other will capitalize, each team just waits for the error. Luongo is a great
goalie, we have needed one of those for years, now we have him. All the complaining
over the years has been the opposite. This team wasn't even expected to make the
playoffs, they did, they have been a good team all year, not great, but good, playing
how they need to, to have some success. Don't forget what we did on our eastern road
trip, and other parts of the season where we beat many teams, who were considered to be
better than us, and those games were not won by Luongo alone, not at all. I'm listening
to some of the calls coming to 1040, and because of two losses, those callers have forgotton all of those games. Mat Cooke is a real good playoff player, and having him
out of the lineup really hurts, he pressures their defence over and over, makes them
hurry their passes, and that makes a difference in these kind of games. The one player
I am really disapointed with, and have been all year, is Naslund, if he could still play like
the goal scorer he used to be, we would have the sniper we need for this team, for now.
General statements like 'over achieving', and Luongo winning games all by himself are
only a tiny aspect of the year, and all the positive achievements are left out. Everything
this team has done this year to achieve success, has been done by an entire team, playing
a pure team game, no super stars, no me me players, but everyone playing 'with' each other other, as, that is what they have to do to win.
 

Kreskin

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Playoffs are different from regular season. During the season opponents barely have enough to figure out who they play next let alone play an intense and highly focused strategic style. In the playoffs a team focuses on dissecting the opponents game. Vancouver has relied on one line to generate offense all year. Come up with a plan to shut them down and that throws a serious monkey wrench into what has made them in part successful. You can't expect to win a cup when one line amounts to all of the offense. You can't win zero-zero. There are no shoot outs. Secondary scoring during regulation time is a must. A goal, any kind of goal, has to happen once in awhile.

This team has had its heiny saved by Luongo often this year. I think we had the #10 goalie in the world instead of one in the top 2 or 3 this team wouldn't be in the playoffs.

However, they still have a chance to win the next game. To do so they need to be better than they have been for most of this series.
 

talloola

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Playoffs are different from regular season. During the season opponents barely have enough to figure out who they play next let alone play an intense and highly focused strategic style. In the playoffs a team focuses on dissecting the opponents game. Vancouver has relied on one line to generate offense all year.
Your right, when playoffs roll around, the teams tighten up, and even the teams who have played run and gun all year, better learn how to keep the scoring down, the canucks have been playing that type of hockey all year, and as far as one scoring line, he has changed the lines around so much, as the team was different than in the past, the coach was new, and he had to figure out who would play well with who, the only one who can't seem to fit in on a line, and lead it, is Naslund, he's like the odd man out.


Come up with a plan to shut them down and that throws a serious monkey wrench into what has made them in part successful. You can't expect to win a cup when one line amounts to all of the offense. You can't win zero-zero. There are no shoot outs. Secondary scoring during regulation time is a must. A goal, any kind of goal, has to happen once in awhile.

And, Dallas is no different. Same kind of team. The Cooke Morrison line was doing some scoring. The scoring has been coming from a lot of different players, and of course the
twins doing most of it. Naslund doing none. We are playing a team the same as us, same
history all year.

This team has had its heiny saved by Luongo often this year. I think we had the #10 goalie in the world instead of one in the top 2 or 3 this team wouldn't be in the playoffs.

And neither would many others teams, including Dallas, the goalie is just another member
of the team, and the teams with the best goalies usually move on. Luongo is part of the team, not one person who is winning by himself, they do it together, and as I mentioned before, he played 5 or 6 years and never took any team to playoffs, so he had some help
this year. He has always played as well as he did this year, and never gone to playoffs.

However, they still have a chance to win the next game. To do so they need to be better than they have been for most of this series

Until this game Canucks and Dallas had the same amount of goals for, approx. the same kind of goal keeping, and after 6 games, they are even, can't get much closer than that.

Whoever loses on Monday, will have been beaten by their twin, and it is a good training
ground for further playoffs, as good defensive hockey is playoff hockey. But, yes, our
scoring has been shut down in the last couple of games, so hopefully they can get at least 2 or 3 goals, as against Dallas, that is probably all you need, same with us.
We need Cooke and Kesler to do tough checking against their defense, and we don't have
them, but from what I hear they won't have Zubov next game, so that will help our side.
Bieksa has been a good scoring defencemen all year, but I think he has 'tightened' up
a lot in playoffs, he's so young, and so much is expected from him, the veteran guys have
to 'lead' this team, along with Luongo. Which ever team gets through this series will have
their hands full with Anaheim, as their best players are being their players, and our are not.
If we can't at least score 2 goals in the next game we will lose, and against Dallas they
might only need one.
Even as strong as Anaheim is offensively, after you get by Neidermeyer and Pronger, they don't have near as good a defense as Dallas, as
Dallas probably has one of the best defense groups in the NHL, and so do we.
 

Kreskin

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The Canucks have been shut out 3 games in this series (4 counting OT in game one). This problem didn't just start for these guys. They have three 20-goal scorers and one 30-goal scorer. There were times when it was questionable if some of their forwards would get a goal at all this year. Combined, Cooke and Morrison scored 30 goals this year and were a plus/minus -9.

Lets hope the Canucks can score a goal so they can move one step closer to Lord Stanley.
 

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Yeah that's right, and Dallas, even lower, and before this series started all of the sports guys
predicted 'exactly' what has happened, very low scoring, lots of overtime, and, anybody will
win, no predictions from anyone. Now, our scoring has completely dried up, so in the next
game we "have" to score, no doubt, but so do they.
As soon as one of these teams gets through, and moves on, their good defense is capable of
keeping 'any' team's scoring low, and then pop in 2 or 3 of your own, and who knows.
Modano has been like Naslund till the last couple of games, but now he is producing some
offence, if only Naslund, (his counterpart) would do the same. Those are the two players who
are expected to lead their teams, and Modano has been a dissapointmnt this year too, just like
Naslund.
Would be nice if this team could just squeeze through this series, then they would have done
just fine for this year, I have never thought they could go on to win the cup, they need more
offense, but you know, stranger things have happened.
One guy came on the radio last night and was 'screaming' and just 'livid' at the style of hockey
Canucks play, he hates it, he wants 'all' offense. Don't we all, but you have to have the horses
to play that style of game, we were there with Bertuzzi Naslund, etc, but they got so lazy, and
wouldn't "work", so they destroyed that themselves. Until Vineault gets a couple of good
snipers, he has to coach in this way, or we will be lose too much, Minnesota is the same, they
have Gaborik and Dimitra, but they need better defense, you go on and on, L. A. has a great
young team, but terrible goaltending this year, so they didn't do well. Buffalo is a very talented
offensively gifted team, and should win it all, but at times, they can look poor on defense, so
if they tighten up their defense in play offs, they should win it all, or San Jose or Anaheim, in
my opinion, and I musn't forget Ottawa, who look like they are ready too, if they don't choke
like they have in the past.
 

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Well folks, this is it. Have been listening to team 1040 this afternoon, and they have put so much
pressure on certain players on this team that I hope they don't listen, (and I'm sure they don't), or
they probably wouldn't show up. They are expecting Naslun, and Morrison to finally step up, and get this done, but I'm sorry I don't feel that way, they haven't done much of anything all year,
so, how could they suddently do it tonight, besides Morrison can't seem to play unless Cooke is
playing on his line. We've got Luongo, who we needed badly for many years, and now, if only they
will compliment him by at least scoring two goals, as it seems a shame that he plays at the other
end like it's game 7 every day, so the team has to help him out. Turco is doing the same thing but
in the last two games he hasn't had much work.
If Naslund doesn't show up again tonight, the first thing he should do after the game is take off
the C and hand it in.
So, let's see what happens, and I'll be back later, enjoy the game.
And, remember, on paper, Dallas is the best 3 period team in hockey.
Win or lose tonight, I hope they come out flying and play that way all night, and if they lose doing
that, well, 'not so bad'.
 
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