More young doctors oppose abortions on ethical grounds

[MikeyDB]

Curiosity
It's not arguable in any sense. We have sacrificed our children to wars in the name of greed. Where has the great church of this omnipotent creator being been.... Has the influence of the believer community ever prevented one or our global slaughters?
NO
Have our wealthiest religious practices impacted poverty and suffering among the people to the same degree that a similar wealth held by the war mongers has managed to effect in destroyiing human life?
NO
This is a game of three-card-shemy and unfortunately people like our unfortunate friend Sanctus are conditioned both inadvertantly and willingly to buy into a lie and practice an hypocrisy of global dimensions.
There have been participants here at Canadian Content who've contributed their opinons garbed as holier-than-thou episteles and testimonies to faith...while the carnage and mayhem of a civilization continues to hum around us....and yet the disasters of "faith" have gone unheralded and been conveniently ignored and overshadowed.
These are lies and decpetion that are traded for wealth and power. Similar in every metric to the agenda for hatred and divissiveness that we see coming out of the cathedrals of wealth fueled by petroleum and the blood of our young people in wars of greed....

 

[Niflmir]

The problem with the making exceptions is that is destroys the Catholic position. Either all life is sacred or it isn't. There is no quantum superposition of sacredness. You allow a woman who was raped to abort when her life is not at risk, then life is not sacred. I do think it is that simple. Someone who prevents her from having an abortion in that case is a monster.

I think there are better choices though. If families were not so quick to disown their daughters for getting pregnant and were willing to support her fully and actually be happy for her, then maybe she would come forward. We have come to view the miracle of life as a burden, that is the real problem in my opinion. Is there really any problem with that? There is no reason why a baby needs to ruin someone's life. You should be able to go home and say, "I am going to be a parent!" and have your family pat you on the back and pull out the (non-alcoholic) champagne.

 

[Sparrow]

There are times when abortion is warranted, for instant rape especially of a child no question here. However abortion is not a substitute for contraception. If people are to stupid to use protection or to undergo medical procedures to prevent pregnancy they can live with the consequences.

 

[Tonington]

Doesn't the hippocratic oath still say a doctor shall not attempt to induce abortion? If so, perhaps the ethical oath ought to be ammended. If I were to be involved in an abortion I would go to a clinic where they perform these procedures. I wouldn't expect every doctor to be able to do these things.

 

[karrie]

If you can't do your job as a doctor, don't be a doctor. Hand in your lisence and become something else. Same as any other job. Its like going to work on a beef farm and having moral objections to killing cows (perhaps your a buddhist or Hindu and its against your religion). While you may like the rest of your job, feeding and looking after you job, if you can't do your job for moral reasons, then quit. You can't cherry pick the best parts.
What next? Teachers who don't want to teach average or below average students?

I know that people don't like the semantic slanting, but, killing is not part of being a doctor. It's right in the oath they take. Letting nature take its course is one thing, but actually killing is another. No doc is required to perform abortions. That's what specialized clinics are for. Like the article says, the numbers have stayed the same, even if more docs are unwilling to work in abortion clinics.

I'm curious how much of this is societal backlash from seeing it used so extensively as birth control in some areas.

 

[karrie]

Sanctus
I honor your belief but you know as well as others here, there are medically necessary abortions - these must not be included in issues of morality unless we are still locked in medieval times which believe 'it is fine to sacrifice the mother's life for the newborn' - even if it fails to thrive or live.

I've known women who, when a medical situation arises necessitating the end of a pregnancy, were simply given a 'D and C', even by their Catholic doctors. No doc I've ever known would let a woman die just to not carry out a termination. But, by not being on the books as an abortion doctor, they don't have to explain why they would end Suzy's pregnancy, but not Jill's.

 

[karrie]

I also respect your point of view, but to be honest I am not at all sure where I personally stand on those exceptions. I wish I could say I did, but I just don't know. I know the "official" line, but personally...I'm in the middle with those exceptions.

The official line as I've always understood it was that life is sacred, and should be preserved.

If two lives are about to end but you can save one, you should. Standing by and doing nothing when you have the means to rescue someone seems, IMO, a grave slap in the face of our creator.

 

[karrie]

There is no reason why a baby needs to ruin someone's life. You should be able to go home and say, "I am going to be a parent!" and have your family pat you on the back and pull out the (non-alcoholic) champagne.

I personally see nothing wrong with supporting a child in that way either. Motherhood and/or adoption seem like such healthier options in my view. I'd be much prouder to stand next to a pregnant daughter than one who felt that burden of regret the rest of her life.

One of the things I've pointed out to others in the past also, is that simply saying 'I'm against abortion', doesn't cut it. Contributing to helping prevent it is what counts. Not only through education of young women, but helping those who fall through the cracks. I once rented to a young mom. She was pregnant when she came to live with us, and gave birth on her sweet 16. We've lost touch, but it was an important start for her and her son to have somewhere safe to live.

Simply saying, 'abortion is wrong' doesn't give young women in crisis any real solution to their predicament.

 

[karrie]

If I were to be involved in an abortion I would go to a clinic where they perform these procedures. I wouldn't expect every doctor to be able to do these things.

I know that if I were to ever require an abortion, I would not risk my future reproductive health by trying to force my GP to do it, I would go to a dedicated clinic.

 

[talloola]

I feel comfortable with women having 'early' abortions.
As long as they are as 'early' as possible. And, if there are women
who fall into a catagorie of using abortion as a form of birth control, there should be further
measures taken. Tubes tied probably, but I can't imagine very many women being in that
catagorie. I know a few women who have had abortions, 'early',
and continued on as before, not a problem. If a women is bothered at all about having an abortion,
then, don't. Simple. Or, if a doctor has a problem as well, then don't do them, simple.
I don't believe in any child being brought into this world who is unwanted, and the usual
answer I get to this statement is, well, they could adopt, but once a woman carried a child
to full term, she is not likely to adopt, it is too heartbreaking, so for me that would not be an
option. My youngest daughter was faced with a choice when she was 19, not married, and
no future with partner, so, we had some long discussions with her, while completely leaving the
decision to her, no pressure either way, she chose to have her baby, she was happy with that
decision, we all supported her, and would have with the opposite decision as well.

 

[tracy]

I have participated in late term abortions.

Try saying that at a dinner party and see the reaction. I understand why people don't want to do it. Having a bunch of ignorant people call you a baby killer isn't exactly a nice way to spend your evening.
Those procedures were the best thing for those families and anyone who would judge them without knowing the specifics is a monster, plain and simple. Those babies were all wanted children. Their parents weren't irresponsible or using it as birth control. Providing them with compassionate care is one of the things I am most proud of as a nurse. They deserved no less. I have no respect for anyone who would judge them for their choice. Any doctor that would have said they were immoral is a doctor I wouldn't respect. Part of being a doctor is respecting your patients' choices and putting their needs above you own. I support doctors not being forced to participate in medical procedures they find objectionable, but if they choose to be an OB/GYN, then they should at least have the training to do it. There will be times when an abortion is necessary to save a life and if you can't do it, then you should go into another field of medicine. In a lot of areas it isn't as easy as just refering them out to another doctor or clinic because there isn't the time to do it or their isn't another doctor or clinic nearby.

 

[tracy]

. No doc I've ever known would let a woman die just to not carry out a termination.

Unfortunately I've known two. They not only refused to do abortions which were medically necessary, they took the time to make their patients well aware of how immoral they were at a time when they were most vulnerable. I can't even express the disgust and embarassment I felt when those incidents happened. I think several of us used the phrase "should be taken out and shot" a few dozen times those nights.

 

[Tonington]

Unfortunately I've known two. They not only refused to do abortions which were medically necessary, they took the time to make their patients well aware of how immoral they were at a time when they were most vulnerable. I can't even express the disgust and embarassment I felt when those incidents happened. I think several of us used the phrase "should be taken out and shot" a few dozen times those nights.

They ought to have their license revoked...ridiculous8O

 

[darkbeaver]

I believe abortion is a womens right and only that womens right, I've seen to many unwanted children and what happens to many of them after a life of neglect. Historically speaking infanticide is and has been a human practice since the beginning of our time.

 

[westmanguy]

I am against abortion.

All life is sacred, and damned if i will force doctors to get the education to do that.

Its wrong ,evil and immoral.

I would even not allow a raped victim to have an abortion.

Even someone who would die without it.

God bless those doctors who stood by their convictions and let their beliefs known to the sinful monsters.

 

[Josephine]

I completely believe in a woman's right to choose.
I don't think that it can be murder, when doctors can't factually state when "life" begins. But in all honesty, it comes down to a woman's right.
As a woman, I state firmly, that my body belong to me. What happens to it and the choices I make regarding it are up to me. No woman should be forced to carry a child inside them, if they do not wish to do so.
If people or churchs disagree...good on them, but their beliefs should have NO impact on me and my body. If the father is involved, I think he should be consulted 100%, but in the end the decision is the woman's. And I'm sure that that is not an easy decision.
And Tracy, you are a woman of morals, compassion and courage!
My compassion to any woman who has had to make that decision.

 

[hermanntrude]

could you try and be a little less rude west? I know you're probably on your 10th beer of the night but you've already whitewashed all liberals as hypocrits and evil, and the united church of canada as "the worst church in the world" and now you're calling women who have abortions "sinful monsters".
That's a lot of name-calling isnt it? objectivity would help you make your point more clearly.

 

[Kreskin]

Sometimes I think we've been infiltrated by Candid Camera. Where do I smile?

 

[L Gilbert]

I'm pretty much of the mind that people ought to choose for themselves and leave everone else to mind their own business. Abortion fits right into that idea. It's none of my business whether a woman wants to have a child or not and I'm cewtainly not going to be pompous and self-righteous and say what someone else can do with their personal life or not do with it. What's more, people who DO stick their noses in other's business DO NOT have the right to. As far as the religious go, people enter into religions at their own peril so they should accept what their particular faith proposes as its tenets. And if a woman wants an abortion against their faith I don't see it as being up to anyone else but their god to pass judgement on the woman.

 

[L Gilbert]

could you try and be a little less rude west? I know you're probably on your 10th beer of the night but you've already whitewashed all liberals as hypocrits and evil, and the united church of canada as "the worst church in the world" and now you're calling women who have abortions "sinful monsters".
That's a lot of name-calling isnt it? objectivity would help you make your point more clearly.

You aren't going to get anything more than uninformed opinion out of the critter, you know.