When Quebec Separates, will it be in the G8?

When Quebec Separates, will it be in the G8?


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s_lone

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You people still talking about civil war in Quebec eh?

It won't happen.

It won't happen because Canada will become what Quebecers want it to be and WHAT IT ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE BEEN before the hardcore seperatists ever manage to win a referendum.

All we need to stop turning in circles with the seperation issue is for Ottawa to keep its butt out of provincial jurisdictions and accept the fact that Quebec will speak to the world with its own voice whether the rest of Canada likes it or not.
 

DurkaDurka

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You people still talking about civil war in Quebec eh?

It won't happen.

It won't happen because Canada will become what Quebecers want it to be and WHAT IT ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE BEEN before the hardcore seperatists ever manage to win a referendum.

All we need to stop turning in circles with the seperation issue is for Ottawa to keep its butt out of provincial jurisdictions and accept the fact that Quebec will speak to the world with its own voice whether the rest of Canada likes it or not.

Quebec has no voice to the world. Do you think anyone gives a crap about Quebec outside of Canada?
 

s_lone

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As an individual? No. I'm happy with Canada, my voice gets represented there.

Who might give 2 craps about Quebec besides France (sometimes)?

Well we must be very different. I do believe I have my own individual voice to the world, as tiny as it can be. I also have a voice within my family. I also have voice as citizen of Montreal. As citizen of Quebec. As a Canadian. As a human being.

Quebec is a lot more than ''just a province of Canada''. In the same way that Canada is a lot more than ''just another country''. Canada is its people before being any form of political entity. The same with Quebec.

And the complexity of a group of people cannot be accurately described by simple words like province and country. Yes there are a lot of people in this world who care about Quebec because they know someone who lives there or because they already lived there. And Quebec isn't the same as BC. And BC isn't the same as Nova Scotia etc. etc. All provinces can be much more than just provinces.

Yes I'm Canadian, but I'm a heck of a lot of other things too. And no, I would never be satisfied with only having a voice as a Canadian.
 

CDNBear

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At least partially right............if Quebec attempts to separate without a clear majority on a clear question, civil war or a military occupation of Quebec is inevitable. If Quebec attempts to avoid negotiations on partition after a clear majority......same thing.

Countries do not divide peacefully, as a rule. Chezoslovakia (sp) is the exception to the rule, bit in that case BOTH populations wanted the divorce by an overwhelming majority.

The issue of extreme violence in this nation on the secession of Quebec is the elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. That is a HUGE mistake. Sometimes populations fall into vicious
fights simply because no one believes it could happen.

Don't kid yourself.

There won't be enough left standing in Quebec for it to be considered more than a third world country.

Think Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia........
As always, a voice of reason and intellect.
Think of the fact that Quebec is a have-not province. Even in a peaceful seperation, it aint getting money from Ottawa anymore, and would probably have to pay a large lump sum or annuity payment back to ottawa.
Kebec is not a "have not" province, that's only in their feable minds.
It will be in the line of G88, or better said a third world country. The debt will be hard to pay off. To get there we probably will have to ditch democracy.
That is my biggest fear, Kebec will fall into a fascist state, to enforce its Draconian laws.
The political push for seperation has changed since 1980. They want soveriegnty with the Canadian dollar as the currency, which changes the dynamics. Either this is a ploy to get people to except it better or they know the price is too high to pay.
Yes yes yes, they want to move out and have mom and dad still foot the bill.
I dont understand why so many threads on quebec separating. I can't see the benefit of removing your province from one of the best countries in the world, even if you do prefer to speak french.
Mine and many others very same point herm.
I sense a Logic 7 post coming up... i predict there will be some anglo bashing :)
lmao, and you were so right.
I hope not, G8 is a criminal organisation,
But the Hezbollah and the FLQ isn't? Man you need help.
This is all you guys can, bashing quebec, when in fact it should be the opposite, canada deserve to be bash by quebec all the way.
Ya, no kidding, Kebec is the most atonomous province in the country and that isn't enough. Your position does not surprise me one bit.
Military occupation by who??
The MWS for starters. Of which I will lovingly be a part of, just so I can rub it in your smug face.
Did you know the best infantry in canada, are from Valcartier?
The very first thing you have ever said, that I can agree with.
Did you know that the majority of them,doesnt even speak english?
I'ld have to dissagree, but I could be wrong.
Did you know half of the infantry in canada, are from quebec?
Then you go and blow a good thought with more junk.
So i ask again, military occupation by who?
Asked and answered. But seeing as you need more, the PPCLI might have something to with it.
You're confusing the G8 with the FLQ.
There are a lot of things that illogic is confused by.
Complain, complain, complain it never changes. Always blaming others for our own problems. When will people realize that these problems are first of all internal with the people and with our provincal government. People blame Canada for many things, but Quebec's problem in Quebec.
Sparrow, why are you EL and s_lone, the only intellegent Kebecois posters?
All the bad coup done by FLQ , was done by the Chicken GRC, just like the same relation beetween alqueada and CIA, it is about time you start to see the real facts, not fairy tail fact presented by your credible media.
Ummm, my father was a serving RCMP officer during the FLQ crisis, you just slandered him. He has given much thought to joining this forum, but fears he would be banned in two seconds flat, because of ignorant asshats like you. That spew unfound lies and tripe on a whim.
Yep, the Royal 22nd Regiment has a good reputation..............and are in service to the nation of CANADA. I think it is safe to assume most take their oaths seriously.......unless you believe Frenchmen are incapable of upholding their sworn duty...........
Hear hear.
They are NOT one half of the Canadian Army......not even close. The most successful recruitment in the Canadian Armed Forces is in the Atlantic Provinces. The French contingent of those recruited in the Atlantic region are Acadians, NOT Quebecois.......and most of the Acadians I've met would happily shoot Quebecois separatists.
Though I understand the question of the loyalties of the Van Doos, I would suspect that many of them feel the same.
So, to answer your question, occupied by the Armed Forces of Canada, augmented by the federal police force.
And the MWS, the CWS, the AWS, which will undoubtedly be boulstered by militant assholes like myself, from across Canada.
Don't walk into a civil war out of sheer stupidity.
Did you just forget who you were replying to?
Yeh.

Oddly enough, some military brass has some IQ.

Come a referendum, the entire Royal 22nd will find itself on an extended tour of duty in Afghanistan. They'll keep them there until any chance of trouble passes, or, in the case of trouble, until they can sort out and arrest the seditious members.

They were in Bosnia, I believe, in October 1995.
Sad, but likely true.
Logic......a message for you....

TAKE YOUR MEDICATION!

Every time I start out dealing with this idiot in a rational manner, he comes up with some idiotic, paranoid fantasy that could be debunked by a two year old.......
Hear hear!!!
Well when the natives get done with Quebec, Quebecers will find the Domonion of Canada has annexed Hull, (we didn't put those office towers there to give away), the Eastern Townships, ( to fulfill our end of the St Lawerance Seaway agreement, says we need to maintain control over the canal as it is inside Canada but owned by Can/US ), and have a wall built down St Laurent Blvd. It's just so funny to here people trying to make themselves like Bosnia Croatia etc. They just don't want to be in the best country in the world. Not the richest or the bombingest but just the plain best. Viva la Canada Libre.:thumbup:
I'll second that!!!
You people still talking about civil war in Quebec eh?

It won't happen.

It won't happen because Canada will become what Quebecers want it to be and WHAT IT ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE BEEN before the hardcore seperatists ever manage to win a referendum.

All we need to stop turning in circles with the seperation issue is for Ottawa to keep its butt out of provincial jurisdictions and accept the fact that Quebec will speak to the world with its own voice whether the rest of Canada likes it or not.
I think it was "Supertramp" that sang the song "Dreamer". But their lyrics are better then yours.
 

Zzarchov

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No, it was based on GDP.

But it is unlikely that the G8 would ever kick a country out, unless it fractured.

And, no, Spain won't be admitted as a member.

China will, though. Then, India.


India maybe, being a democracy is a criteria though so no China. The G7 is an informal meeting group, its based on who they choose to meet with.

It is clubhouse for world leaders. Its like saying because your friend Jimmy is now only the 11 most popular kid in school you can't hang out with him..now you have to hang out with the asshat Billy.
 

El Barto

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My last words on this subject is that I was born a Canadian I will die as one, What ever it takes, I won't let the dead vote this time around. The anglos that left when the language laws came in to affect really didn't do a favor to those anglos that stayed. There is no stregnth in standing alone.
The big picture would be to redifine our country as a whole. Set up in a way that doesn't self serve politicians.:|
 

Sparrow

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My last words on this subject is that I was born a Canadian I will die as one, What ever it takes, I won't let the dead vote this time around. The anglos that left when the language laws came in to affect really didn't do a favor to those anglos that stayed. There is no stregnth in standing alone.
The big picture would be to redifine our country as a whole. Set up in a way that doesn't self serve politicians.:|

I also am Canadian and God help the one who tries to take that from me! I did not leave when all this began and you can bet that I have no intention of leaving. It is as much our province as theirs! I have never missed voting in an election and have no intention of starting this time.
Our country does need to be redefined, our Confederation is defunct. It worked when people were uneducated and needed someone to run the country but times have changed and we are not the same poeple as when the Confederation was written.
 

Logic 7

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Yep, the Royal 22nd Regiment has a good reputation..............and are in service to the nation of CANADA. I think it is safe to assume most take their oaths seriously.......unless you believe Frenchmen are incapable of upholding their sworn duty...........

They are NOT one half of the Canadian Army......not even close. The most successful recruitment in the Canadian Armed Forces is in the Atlantic Provinces. The French contingent of those recruited in the Atlantic region are Acadians, NOT Quebecois.......and most of the Acadians I've met would happily shoot Quebecois separatists.

Seems we occupied the place quite handily in October 1970. We shouldn't have, but we did with no trouble. BTW, there were French units in Quebec in 1970 that quickly found themselves removed from strategic zones such as armouries, and replaced by English units.

So, to answer your question, occupied by the Armed Forces of Canada, augmented by the federal police force.

Don't walk into a civil war out of sheer stupidity.


True , there is a lot from the atlantic provinces in the infantry, however the Royal 22nd Regiment, from those i have meet, are the most racists person towards english people that i ever met in my entire life, they told me they don't even know one person in their regiment, that they do love them, still we can't really say all of them hates english peoples, but i presume they all are.

Come on, with the stupid wars, that you support, will not ease in troops deployment, so where are you going to get those extra-soldiers to occupied Quebec?
 

Zzarchov

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Ya...you see, we actually have no shortage of manpower, nor does the US. They have a shortage of manpower based around the fact they don't want to get on warfooting to fight a war.

Its like when people say they don't have time to work out, they mean they don't have time to work out without giving something else up, like TV time or long lunches.

If we needed troops to occupy Quebec, we could get plenty.
 

Logic 7

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Logic......a message for you....

TAKE YOUR MEDICATION!

Every time I start out dealing with this idiot in a rational manner, he comes up with some idiotic, paranoid fantasy that could be debunked by a two year old.......


Google it,Grc even made false FLQ groups,Disclassified document, next time, check out your facts.
 

CDNBear

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Google it,Grc even made false FLQ groups,Disclassified document, next time, check out your facts.
Facts, not one of your strong suites illogic.

But here are some...

Under the war measures act, the LPoC, the masters of the National Policing agency, hand out the orders. The orders that violated the civil liberties of not only FLQ associates, but labour leaders and other people and/or groups, deamed unsavoury, by the LPoC at the time.

Though, the excuse of merely floolowing orders is a weak one(though you should be used to weak platforms), they were still able to does so, as civil liberties were suspended by the WMA. So hence they did not break any acting laws.

The Front de libération du Québec, or FLQ, was a nationalist organization that advocated violence in the pursuit of its goal, the separation of the French-speaking Province of Quebec from Canada. The RCMP infiltrated the organization, and commited criminal acts, including the burning of a barn that was rumored to be a rendezvous point for the FLQ and Black Panthers.
MacGregor relates how RCMP operatives conflated the FLQ with bogus terror groups like the DEFLQ, and released statements posing as the ALQ, a supposed radical Islamist-linked militant wing of FLQ, training in Palestine. As well, an assassination, (preceded by false, planted news stories), was conducted by RCMP agents in Paris, and the assassination was blamed on infighting within the FLQ.

Though there is some truth to these reports, they still remaid unconfirmed, even by the declassified documents, they only suggest that the RCMP, may have committed what you claim, not exactly the difinitive proof needed to back up your arguement, not that, that would slow you down any.
 

Logic 7

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Facts, not one of your strong suites illogic.

But here are some...

Under the war measures act, the LPoC, the masters of the National Policing agency, hand out the orders. The orders that violated the civil liberties of not only FLQ associates, but labour leaders and other people and/or groups, deamed unsavoury, by the LPoC at the time.

Though, the excuse of merely floolowing orders is a weak one(though you should be used to weak platforms), they were still able to does so, as civil liberties were suspended by the WMA. So hence they did not break any acting laws.



Though there is some truth to these reports, they still remaid unconfirmed, even by the declassified documents, they only suggest that the RCMP, may have committed what you claim, not exactly the difinitive proof needed to back up your arguement, not that, that would slow you down any.


Still it shows the double face of RCMP, it shows the double face that secret services has towards peoples in general, no wonder why RCMP burned quebec farms, and put the blame on FLQ, pathetic, but not surprising, when you know about secrets services.
 

Logic 7

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September 2006, english people in montreal received death threath, that maybe something will happen on 15th february 2007, pretending it is FLQ, guess what??

October 2006, muslim communauty received a letter saying, they will all die, pretending it is again FLQ, guess what??

It Is the RCMP, those greath retards who are still receiving money from canadian governement.