Brave IDF caught on tape using human shield

[earth_as_one]

I'm trying not to imagine a machine gun mounted on a wheelchair or a baby seat mounted on the front of a tank.

 

[CDNBear]

That is exactly how they work.

In 2005, Martinique, 4 israelis(mossad) beat one person( a black guy) and took him by the back( by surprise), this is how they work,THE CHICKEN WAY.

I'm trying not to imagine a machine gun mounted on a wheelchair or a baby seat mounted on the front of a tank.

Way to ignore the facts earth.

 

[L Gilbert]

Hizbollah fires rocket from house knowing that the chance of it hitting a military target is extremely anorexic, so the Israeli in the plane sees the flash and smoke and targets the source knowing their may be civilians in the area. I see no difference. One is as bad as the other.
BTW, those rockets are loaded with ball bearings. That's being nice.

 

[earth_as_one]

Far as I know after the Hizbollah caused the IDF to leave south Lebanon somewhere around 2000, they've been constantly but not regularly launching rocket attacks on Israel. Why? Israel withdrew. The Hizbollah must be aware that those rockets are hardly accurate. Is it like "We know the rockets aren't accurate, but we fired rockets at the IDF. It's an accident they went off course and landed in a market place"? Seems to me to be the same idea as if the US dropped a 3rd nuke on Japan after Japan surrendered.

Both sides took swipes at each other since the previous war, but the attacks were limited to military targets on both sides in accordance with the April Agreement. Hezbollah could have hit Haifa before this summer's battle, but they didn't because they knew that woul be a violation of their agreemnt with Israel not to target civilians. Also because they knew it would be a green light for Israel to target Lebanese civilians.

When Israel escalated a military conflict to include innocent civilians, they gave Hezbollah a green light to respond in kind. I think Israel underestimated Hezbollah's ability to strike back. Likely Israel's leaders thought that killing innocent Lebanese civilians would be just another war crime they could get away with. For the most part they were right. Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets but only killed few civilians relative to the death and destruction Israel rained down on the Lebanese.

I think who started targetting civilians first is a critical point. You seem to try to dodge this in your responses, like the above.

If some hostile nation was bombing innocent Canadians, would Canada be justified bombing innocent civilians in that hostile country in response?

Would Canadians want their government to cross that line first?

So yes who started killing civilians in last summer's battle first is an important consideration. So is the number of innocent civilians killed before it provokes a similar response.

Hezbollah targetted innocent civilians only after Israel had already killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

 

[CDNBear]

Hezbollah targetted innocent civilians only after Israel had already killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

And this is how we all know you are a nazi sympathizer. Those civilian deaths are on the hands of the Hezbollah. The Hezbollah chose to use civilians as shields, they should bear the brunt of the criticism.

The fact that you will not accept that fact, just proves you to be a nazi shill.

 

[earth_as_one]

Hizbollah fires rocket from house knowing that the chance of it hitting a military target is extremely anorexic, so the Israeli in the plane sees the flash and smoke and targets the source knowing their may be civilians in the area. I see no difference. One is as bad as the other.
BTW, those rockets are loaded with ball bearings. That's being nice.

Most rockets were fired from the country side, not next to houses. There are no examples of expended ordinance found near homes blown up by Israel. Besides, what idiot would fire a rocket from beside their own house. So even if Israel responds by blowing up the house, likely its someone's house that the militant didn't like too much.

 

[earth_as_one]

And this is how we all know you are a nazi sympathizer. Those civilian deaths are on the hands of the Hezbollah. The Hezbollah chose to use civilians as shields, they should bear the brunt of the criticism.

The fact that you will not accept that fact, just proves you to be a nazi shill.

You never answered my direct questions bear.

Should the IDF be required to install baby seats on their weapons to accomodate baby human shields?

Should IDF forces be required to use wheelchairs and wheelchair mounted weaponry when assassinating old men in wheelchairs?

 

[CDNBear]

You never answered my direct questions bear.

Should the IDF be required to install baby seats on their weapons to accomodate baby human shields?

Should IDF forces be required to use wheelchairs and wheelchair mounted weaponry when assassinating old men in wheelchairs?

Look you nazi shill, when you ask an intelligent question, one that doesn't look like it was formulated by a 4 year old throwing a temper tantrum, I'll answer it.

 

[CDNBear]

Most rockets were fired from the country side, not next to houses. There are no examples of expended ordinance found near homes blown up by Israel. Besides, what idiot would fire a rocket from beside their own house. So even if Israel responds by blowing up the house, likely its someone's house that the militant didn't like too much.

That's your excuse???

Yep, no doubt about it, you're a nazi shill.

 

[L Gilbert]

Both sides took swipes at each other since the previous war, but the attacks were limited to military targets on both sides in accordance with the April Agreement. Hezbollah could have hit Haifa before this summer's battle, but they didn't because they knew that woul be a violation of their agreemnt with Israel not to target civilians. Also because they knew it would be a green light for Israel to target Lebanese civilians.

Military targets maybe but again I bet the Hizbollah know their rockets aren't accurate.

From the BBC news:

Intifada toll Sept 2000 - Sept 2005


444 civilians killed in Israel
including 80 aged under 18

223 civilians killed in the West Bank and Gaza Strip
including 37 aged under 18

When Israel escalated a military conflict to include innocent civilians, they gave Hezbollah a green light to respond in kind. I think Israel underestimated Hezbollah's ability to strike back. Likely Israel's leaders thought that killing innocent Lebanese civilians would be just another war crime they could get away with. For the most part they were right. Hezbollah fired thousands of rockets but only killed few civilians relative to the death and destruction Israel rained down on the Lebanese.

I think who started targetting civilians first is a critical point. You seem to try to dodge this in your responses, like the above.

I'm not dodging a thing, unlike you. I say that some Hizbollah fires a rocket from someone's house and an Israeli plane sees it and targets the house. Yet, you won't seem to admit that the Hezbollah know their rockets rarely hit military targets and in fact, rarely hit whatever is targeted.

If some hostile nation was bombing innocent Canadians, would Canada be justified bombing innocent civilians in that hostile country in response?

Defense would be my response, perhaps move people out of the area, perhaps create a firebreak between me and the attacker, it would depend. Sorry, but I sure as hell wouldn't take my own rockets and hide behind women, kids, and old men in chairs after firing the rockets. Perhaps you would retaliate by attacking their military with inaccurate and potentially civilly dangerous rockets, but not me.

Would Canadians want their government to cross that line first?

So yes who started killing civilians in last summer's battle first is an important consideration. So is the number of innocent civilians killed before it provokes a similar response.

Hezbollah targetted innocent civilians only after Israel had already killed hundreds of innocent civilians.

Crock. Hizbollah constantly perform terrorist activities inside Israel. They are hardly honorable.

 

[L Gilbert]

So if someone kept snipping at you with the odd suicide bomb, killing a half dozen of your people periodically, and launching inaccurate rockets indiscriminately into your towns, etc. What would you do?
If those same people went and hid in schools and houses when you went to retaliate, what would you do. Get a loudspeaker and tell them to quit?

 

[CDNBear]

So if someone kept snipping at you with the odd suicide bomb, killing a half dozen of your people periodically, and launching inaccurate rockets indiscriminately into your towns, etc. What would you do?
If those same people went and hid in schools and houses when you went to retaliate, what would you do. Get a loudspeaker and tell them to quit?

That's a redundant question LG. earth would be insupport of the ones hiding in the civilian structures. Especially if their nazi's!!!

 

[earth_as_one]

Now you are making it sound like Hezbollah was deliberating attacking Israeli civilians before last summer's battle. That's inaccurate. Both sides carried out military raids against military targets and occasionally some civilians got caught in the crossfire. Most of the civilian casualties were Lebanese, not Israeli.

According to Human Rights Watch Hezbollah is likely guilty of using homes to store weapons, but not as bases to launch weapons which makes sense:

Since the start of the conflict, Israeli forces have consistently launched artillery and air attacks with limited or dubious military gain but excessive civilian cost. In dozens of attacks, Israeli forces struck an area with no apparent military target. In some cases, the timing and intensity of the attack, the absence of a military target, as well as return strikes on rescuers, suggest that Israeli forces deliberately targeted civilians.
The Israeli government claims that it targets only Hezbollah, and that fighters from the group are using civilians as human shields, thereby placing them at risk. Human Rights Watch found no cases in which Hezbollah deliberately used civilians as shields to protect them from retaliatory IDF attack. Hezbollah occasionally did store weapons in or near civilian homes and fighters placed rocket launchers within populated areas or near U.N. observers, which are serious violations of the laws of war because they violate the duty to take all feasible precautions to avoid civilian casualties. However, those cases do not justify the IDF’s extensive use of indiscriminate force which has cost so many civilian lives. In none of the cases of civilian deaths documented in this report is there evidence to suggest that Hezbollah forces or weapons were in or near the area that the IDF targeted during or just prior to the attack.
By consistently failing to distinguish between combatants and civilians, Israel has violated one of the most fundamental tenets of the laws of war: the duty to carry out attacks on only military targets. The pattern of attacks during the Israeli offensive in Lebanon suggests that the failures cannot be explained or dismissed as mere accidents; the extent of the pattern and the seriousness of the consequences indicate the commission of war crimes....

http://hrw.org/reports/2006/lebanon0806/2.htm

Also these links from Human Rights Watch deal directly with the misinformation posted by CB and others on this string:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/07/17/lebano13748.htm

What international humanitarian law applies to the current conflict between Israel and Hezbollah?
What is Hezbollah’s status in relation to the conflict?
Was Hezbollah's capture of Israeli soldiers lawful?
Which targets are Israel and Hezbollah entitled to attack under international humanitarian law?
Is Hezbollah’s firing of rockets into Israel lawful under international humanitarian law?
Does international humanitarian law permit Israel to bomb the Beirut airport?
Is Israel entitled to target Lebanese infrastructure such as roads, bridges and power stations?
Is Israel entitled to use military force against the Lebanese population to encourage it to press its government to stop Hezbollah’s attacks and rescue Israel’s soldiers?
Is Israel entitled to bomb the Hezbollah leader’s house and office?
Can Israel attack neighborhoods that house Hezbollah leaders or offices? And what are Hezbollah’s obligations regarding the use of civilian areas for military activities?
What is meant by using human shields?
Can Israel attack Hezbollah radio and television stations?
Do the warnings given to Lebanese civilians in advance of IDF attacks comply with international humanitarian law?
Is Israel’s blockade of Lebanon legitimate?
If the targets are legitimate military objects, is the use of cluster munitions or warheads with ball bearings lawful?
What is meant by “collective punishment” of the civilian population?
What are the parties’ obligations to agencies seeking to provide humanitarian assistance?
Are attacks on humanitarian convoys unlawful?
When can a party in control of a civilian population order an evacuation?
Is Israel’s declared intent to “keep control over an area in southern Lebanon until a force of international peacekeepers is deployed” covered by international humanitarian law?
What laws govern the treatment of the dead?

Also this article answers many points raised by those who defend Israel's massacre of innocent civilians:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]August 3, 2006 by the International Herald Tribune [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]For Israel, Innocent Civilians Are Fair Game [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]by Peter Bouckaert [/FONT]​

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TYRE, Lebanon -- The voice of Mohammed Shalhoub, 61, a farmer from Qana, still quivers with shock and exhaustion. He was in a basement shelter with more than 60 relatives when two Israeli bombs hit, killing at least 28, including 16 children. As I interview him in hospital, relatives arrive with more news of the victims. A woman starts screaming as she looks at the pictures of the dead and Mohammed's eyes well up with tears.
But his voice turns cold with impotent fury when I ask if there were Hezbollah fighters near the home when the bombs fell. "If the Israelis really saw the rocket launcher, where did it go?" he asks. "We showed Israel our dead; why don't the Israelis show us the rocket launchers?"
The world doesn't seem to put much credence in the testimonies of Lebanese civilians, preferring to buy generic Israeli statements about Hezbollah using civilians as human shields, "precision strikes" at terrorist targets, and a "proportionate" bombing campaign. But after days of contradictory statements about Qana, the Israeli military was reported as saying it had no indication of rocket fire or Hezbollah presence in Qana on the day of the strike, and had bombed the area in retaliation for rockets launched days earlier.
Israel's claims about pin-point strikes and proportionate responses are pure fantasy. As a researcher for Human Rights Watch, I've documented civilian deaths from bombing campaigns in Kosovo and Chechnya, Afghanistan and Iraq. But these usually occur when there is some indication of military targeting: high-ranking members of Saddam Hussein's regime present in a house just before it is hit, for example, or an attack against militants that causes the collateral deaths of many civilians.
In Lebanon, it's a different scene. Time after time, Israel has hit civilian homes and cars in the southern border zone, killing dozens of people with no evidence of any military objective.
My notebook overflows with reports of civilian deaths. On July 15, Israeli fire killed 21 people fleeing from Marhawin, including 13 children; no weapons, no Hezbollah nearby. On July 16, an Israeli bomb killed 11 civilians in Aitaroun, including seven members of a Canadian-Lebanese family on vacation; again, no Hezbollah, no weapons. On July 19, at least 26 civilians were killed in Srifa when Israeli bombs flattened an entire neighborhood; no evidence of military targets. On July 23, at least seven civilians were killed when Israeli warplanes bombed dozens of cars trying to flee the south after receiving Israeli instructions to evacuate immediately; no indication of weapons convoys in the vicinity. The list goes on, with about 500 civilians killed so far.
Israel says the fault for the massive civilian death toll lies with Hezbollah, claiming its fighters are hiding weapons inside civilian homes and firing them from civilian areas. But even if the Israeli forces could show evidence of Hezbollah activity in some civilian areas, it could not justify the extensive use of indiscriminate force that has cost so many lives.
Not only has Israel failed to distinguish between military and civilian targets; its own officials suggest that they have decided any civilian still in the south is fair game. Last week, Justice Minister Haim Ramon reportedly said, "All those now in south Lebanon are terrorists who are related in some way to Hezbollah."
So if you are too frightened to flee southern Lebanon, or are sick, injured or too poor to pay the more than $1,000 it now costs to get out, you are a "terrorist" and eligible for attack. As for those who heeded the Israeli warnings to flee, the roads are littered with bombed civilian cars, many with white flags still attached to their windows. After all, the Israelis tell us, they could have been transporting arms. Israel is prefabricating excuses to justify killing civilians. Tragedies happen in the fog of war, but Israel's strikes on civilians can't all be excused as accidents or mistakes. The unacceptably high death toll is the natural result of Israel's failure to distinguish between civilian and military targets, and Israel is responsible for the deaths. Israel must target its fight on Hezbollah, not Lebanese civilians. To do otherwise is not only wrong, but may very well be criminal, and Israel's leaders, and its friends elsewhere in the world, must face up to this harsh reality.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0803-28.htm

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As far as Israeli's fight with Palestinians is concerned, it counts nearly everyone it kills as terrorists.

The Israeli human rights organization is a better source of information on this conflict:

28 Dec. 06: 683 people killed in the conflict in 2006

B'Tselem publishes its 2006 annual statistics.

This past year, we witnessed a deterioration in the human rights situation in the Occupied Territories , particularly in the increase in civilians killed and the destruction of houses and infrastructure in the Gaza Strip. At the same time, there was an improvement regarding violations of the right to life of Israeli civilians.

Casualties (figures in parenthesis indicate the total figure since the beginning of the intifada)

According to B'Tselem's research, from January to December 27, 2006, Israeli security forces killed 660 (4005) Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and in Israel . This includes 141 (811) minors. At least 322 (1920) of those killed did not take part in the hostilities at the time they were killed. Another 22 (210) were targets of assassinations. In the Gaza Strip alone, since the capture of Cpl. Gilad Shalit, Israeli forces killed 405 Palestinians, including 88 minors. Of these, 205 did not participate in the fighting when killed.

Palestinians killed 17 (701) Israeli civilians in 2006, both in the West Bank and inside Israel . This includes 1 (119) minor. In addition, Palestinians killed 6 (316) members of the Israeli security forces.

House Demolitions
Israel demolished 292 houses military operations in the Occupied Territories , 279 of them in the Gaza Strip. These were home to 1,769 people. Some 80 of these demolitions were conducted after the home-owners received advance warning to the demolition. In addition, Israel demolished 42 homes in East Jerusalem that were built without a permit. These were home to about 80 people.

Checkpoints and restrictions on movement
Deep within the West Bank, Israel currently maintains 54 permanent checkpoints, staffed most of the time. 12 other checkpoints are within the city of Hebron . In addition, according to UN OCHA, there are on average some 160 flying checkpoints throughout the West Bank every week. In addition to the checkpoints, the Israeli military has erected hundreds of physical obstacles such as concrete blocks, dirt piles and trenches to restrict access to Palestinian communities. Palestinians have restricted access to some 41 roadways in the West Bank . Israelis have unlimited access to these roadways.

Prisoners and Detainees
As of November, Israel held 9,075 Palestinians in custody, including 345 minors. Of these, 738 (22 minors) were held in administrative detention, without trial and without knowing the charges against them.

http://www.btselem.org/english/Press_Releases/20061228.asp

 

[L Gilbert]

There, fixed my post of 12:54PM.

 

[L Gilbert]

Now you are making it sound like Hezbollah was deliberating attacking Israeli civilians before last summer's battle. That's inaccurate. Both sides carried out military raids against military targets and occasionally some civilians got caught in the crossfire. Most of the civilian casualties were Lebanese, not Israeli.

According to Human Rights Watch Hezbollah is likely guilty of using homes to store weapons, but not as bases to launch weapons which makes sense:

I guess those vids from Israeli planes are just showing rockets being fired by ....... by .......... by what? Maybe the roaches in the houses? The little lizards that eat the roaches? And the vide that showed a truck with a launcher being positioned was driven by ..... by ..... by what? A gust of wind? Yeah, I guess you're right. That makes more sense than the Hizbollah firing rockets and jockeying trucks into position.

Also these links from Human Rights Watch deal directly with the misinformation posted by CB and others on this string:

Ah, so HRW don't make mistakes? http://www.nysun.com/article/38428 lmao

Also this article answers many points raised by those who defend Israel's massacre of innocent civilians:

Who's defending Israel? Not me, I'm attacking this absurd view that the Hizbollah are angels.

As far as Israeli's fight with Palestinians is concerned, it counts nearly everyone it kills as terrorists.

The Israeli human rights organization is a better source of information on this conflict:

The Hizbollah do use terrorist tactics. The PLO used trerrorist tactics. But, I'll side with you and your shadow Logic, they are angels. :angel8:

 

[L Gilbert]

For the next month – until 14 August – a major military confrontation took place between Hizbullah and Israel. Israel’s "Operation Change of Direction" involved widespread attacks across Lebanon from land, sea and air, killing some 1,000 civilians. Hizbullah launched thousands of Katyusha and other rockets on northern Israel, killing 43 civilians. Several hundred thousand Israeli civilians and approximately one million Lebanese civilians were displaced. UN Security Council resolution 1701 brought about a ceasefire and provided for the deployment of a reinforced UN peacekeeping mission in south Lebanon, one of several measures aimed at consolidating the end of the fighting.

From Amnesty Int'l. Geee. I wonder what would happen if the Hizbollah quit provoking the Israeli into bombing.

The way I see it is that Israel will eventually be eradicated. It cannot keep making its stand in the ME against Syria, Iran, Iraq, Hizbollah, Hamas, etc. What will happen then? Probably one or two big caliphates in the ME under the good graces of people like Hussein, or Khomeini, or Khaddafy, or Assad, etc. Goodbye democracy, goodbye equal rights, goodbye freedoms, and so on.
Democratic nations should never have wandered over there in the first place. Should have just left them to their own devices. Eventually people would want freedom, equal rights , etc.

 

[earth_as_one]

Where have I ever claimed Hezbollah are angels? Can you quote me.

What I said is that Hezbollah and Israel had an agreement to leave civilians out of their cross border sniping. Israel violated that agreement first, not Hezbollah. Israeli apologists seem to have a hard time admitting that Hezbollah's rocket attacks on innocent Israelis were in response to Israeli attacks which had already killed hundreds of innocent Lebanese civilians.

I also notice that Israeli apologists keep trying to change the subject rather than discuss the morality of heavily armed IDF soldiers hiding behind an unarmed 11 year old girl. One reference by an Israeli apologist here claims it was an isolated incident despite the overwhelming evidence.

24 August 2003

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22 April 2004

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(eao: I completely disagree with strapping child human shields onto the hood of IDF vehicles without booster seats. That's completely unsafe)​

How about this interview:

Soldier: ..."I don't think that there are liars sitting in the IDF spokesman's office, but whoever is conveying information to them from the field is just deceiving them. For example, the whole matter of the `human shield,' which was denied many times and which the High Court forbade. I can attest that dozens of times after the High Court decision, we still used Palestinians as human shields, out of habit."

Interviewer: How is that done?

Soldier: "Using a 'human shield' means grabbing some fellow and sending him to open the door to a suspect's house, so if he shoots, this guy will take the bullets and not us. A 'human shield' is when there's a suspicious object on the road and you grab a Palestinian and send him to pick it up. It's done a lot - let it explode on him and not on me."

Interviewer: Did you ever see anyone get killed in such circumstances?

Soldier: "No, but it's completely a matter of luck."

-- Testimony of Yehuda Shaul, IDF reservist and organiser of the Breaking the Silence exhibition.

(eao: The IDF soldier's description makes IDF use of human shields sound routine.)

Here are some more pictures:
17 May 2005

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2006/08/hiding_behind_c.html​

Here is personal testimony:​

http://www.btselem.org/english/Testimonies/20040112_Ahmad_Assaf_Human_Shield.asp​

From an Israeli source​

Timeline of events

• April 2002 - During Operation Defensive Shield, soldiers greatly increase the use of Palestinians as human shields.
• May 2002 - Seven human rights organizations petition the High Court of Justice against the use of Palestinians as human shields. The IDF informs the court that it will stop using civilians for military tasks, except for the "neighbor procedure."
• August 2002 - Nidal Abu Mukhsan is killed while serving as a human shield during implementation of the "neighbor procedure." Following another petition filed by the human rights organizations, the court issues a temporary injunction forbidding the IDF to use the procedure. Soldiers continue to use it.
• November 2002 - B'Tselem publishes a report that describes five cases in which soldiers violated the court's order. The petitioners file an application in accordance with the Contempt of Court Ordinance.
• December 2002 – The State files its response to the Court, in which it contends that the army is no longer using Palestinians as human shields but only “is assisted by residents to prevent the loss of life.” The State attaches the “prior warning procedure,” which is intended to replace the “neighbor procedure.” According to the new procedure, “assistance” by civilians is allowed if, in the judgment of the military commander in the field, the life of the “person giving assistance” is not endangered, provided that the individual consents. In reply, the human rights organizations contend that the new procedure is unlawful and that it is incorrect to state that such “assistance” does not endanger the person’s life. The petitioners include testimonies relating to cases in which civilians were used as human shields after the High Court issued the temporary injunction.
• January 2003 - The High Court of Justice reduces the temporary injunction, and allows use of the “prior warning procedure.” At the request of the High Court, the human rights organizations file a legal opinion stating that the procedure is unlawful. The IDF has not yet responded to the petitioners’ arguments. In the meanwhile, it implements the “prior warning procedure.”
• July 2003 – The High Court hears the petition of the human rights organizations, in which the parties argue the legality of the “prior warning procedure” and the application to hold the respondent in contempt of court, which was filed after the IDF continued to use human shields. The High Court extends the validity of the temporary injunction until further order.
• April 2004 – The human rights organizations file an application with the High Court for a temporary order directing the IDF to refrain from using Palestinians as human shields and/or hostages, and to forbid the IDF from asking them to take part in any military action, or to use them in any such action, without exception and without army officials having any discretion in the matter. The petitioners attach testimonies and affidavits relating to additional cases, dating from December 2003 to April 2004, in which civilians were used as human shields.
• August 2004 – On 16 August 2004, Adalah files an application requesting that the Court order the IDF, in accordance with the Contempt of Court Ordinance, to comply with the High Court’s order prohibiting it from using individuals as human shields or hostages in military operations. The application also requests that the High Court impose a fine on the military authorities.

• In its application, Adalah contends that the IDF is continuing to violate the High Court prohibition on the use of human shields. Attached to the application are eight new testimonies, which were given to B’Tselem, involving cases in which the IDF used Palestinians as human shields or hostages between the period January-July 2004.​
• September 2004 – On 5 September 2004, the High Court hears the petition filed by Adalah in May 2002 against the use of Palestinians as human shields or hostages. Supreme Court President Aharon Barak criticizes the “prior warning procedure,” which replaced the “neighbor procedure,” and urges the IDF to forego use of the procedure, on the grounds that the Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits the use of local residents in military actions by the occupying army. In his comments, President Barak says that, “Out of one hundred cases in which the neighbor willingly helps the army, ninety-nine of them will be against his will. It is very hard to verify willingness, and the fear is that, when a contingent of soldier come at night, out of fear no neighbor will refuse to cooperate with the soldiers.” The High Court announces that it will give it decision at a later time.​
  
  [*]6 October 2005: The High Court of Justice rules that it is illegal for the IDF to use Palestinian civilians during military actions and that it is forbidden to use the prior warning procedure.​

http://www.btselem.org/english/Human_Shields/Timeline_of_Events.asp​

Clearly the IDF uses human shields.​

As far as Israel's imminent destruction is concerned, I think that's a little premature. The people facing annihilation right now are the ones that had the misfortune of living on land Israel wants.​

 

[Logic 7]

Way to ignore the facts earth.

That is exactly what you are doing in here, since you register.

 

[Logic 7]

So if someone kept snipping at you with the odd suicide bomb, killing a half dozen of your people periodically, and launching inaccurate rockets indiscriminately into your towns, etc. What would you do?
If those same people went and hid in schools and houses when you went to retaliate, what would you do. Get a loudspeaker and tell them to quit?

So if a group of people who immigrate from europe, pretend to own the land you live, because of a fairy tail bible story, use helicopter, rocket laucherr, 30 bn of USA help in weapony every year, killing thousands of thousands of innoncent, destroyed most of the schools, most of the infrastructure that sorrounds you, what would you do?

You are ready to give muslim a hell of a time, based on speculations, imagine if you were a palestinians, you would be 1000 times worst than hamas could have wish to be.

 

[jimmoyer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by L Gilbert
So if someone kept snipping at you with the odd suicide bomb, killing a half dozen of your people periodically, and launching inaccurate rockets indiscriminately into your towns, etc. What would you do?
If those same people went and hid in schools and houses when you went to retaliate, what would you do. Get a loudspeaker and tell them to quit?



So if a group of people who immigrate from europe, pretend to own the land you live, because of a fairy tail bible story, use helicopter, rocket laucherr, 30 bn of USA help in weapony every year, killing thousands of thousands of innoncent, destroyed most of the schools, most of the infrastructure that sorrounds you, what would you do?

You are ready to give muslim a hell of a time, based on speculations, imagine if you were a palestinians, you would be 1000 times worst than hamas could have wish to be.

---------------------------------------LOGIC 7-----------------------------------------------------------

It's not a fairy tale bible story.

When the jews made the sandbox more arable and more habitable you'll notice how
much immigration (rather than the fairy tale muslims subscribe to) increased into the
land of Judea, Samaria, Israel.

But this argument on both sides contains truths and falsehoods.

Yet both sides think the other side has no case.

Let's say it doesn't matter.

Let's say that the Palestinians would do better if they'd stop their righteous attacks.

Let's say they shouldn't have to be the ones to do this stopping of the cycle of violence.

But let's say that if they do, their situation and economy would blossom beyond that of
Syria's or Jordans, because it wouldn't be their Arab brothers who provide the jobs
and infrastructure, it would be the Jews.