My new Native hero, Chief Clarence Louie.

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'Indian Time doesn't cut it' for innovative chief with on-the-edge humour


ROY MacGREGOR
From Thursday's Globe and Mail.

FORT McMURRAY — The man with the PowerPoint presentation is miffed.

He is speaking to a large aboriginal conference and some of the attendees, including a few who hold high office, have straggled in.

“I can't stand people who are late,” he says into the microphone.

“Indian Time doesn't cut it.”

Some giggle, but no one is quite sure how far he is going to go. Just sit back and listen:

“My first rule for success is ‘Show up on time. My No. 2 rule for success is follow Rule No. 1.”

“If your life sucks, it's because you suck.”

“Quit your sniffling.”

“Join the real world — go to school or get a job.”

“Get off of welfare. Get off your butt.”

He pauses, seeming to gauge whether he dare, then does.

“People often say to me, ‘How you doin'?' Geez — I'm working with Indians — what do you think?”

Now they are openly laughing ... applauding. Clarence Louie is everything that was advertised — and more.

“Our ancestors worked for a living,” he says. “So should you.”

He is, fortunately, aboriginal himself. If someone else stood up and said these things — the white columnist standing there with his mouth open, for example — “You'd be seen as a racist.”

Instead, Chief Clarence Louie is seen, increasingly, as one of the most interesting and innovative native leaders in the country — even though he avoids national politics.

He has come here to Fort McMurray because the aboriginal community needs, desperately, to start talking about economic development and what all this multibillion-dollar oil madness might mean, for good and for bad.

Clarence Louie is chief — and CEO — of the Osoyoos Band in British Columbia's South Okanagan. He is 44 years old, though he looks like he would have been an infant when he began his remarkable 20-year-run as chief. He took a band that had been declared bankrupt and taken over by Indian Affairs and he has turned in into an inspiration.

In 2000, the band set a goal of becoming self-sufficient in five years. They're there.
The Osoyoos, 432 strong, own, among other things, a vineyard, a winery, a golf course and a tourist resort, and they are partners in the Baldy Mountain ski development. They have more businesses per capita than any first nation in Canada.

There are not only enough jobs for everyone, there are so many jobs being created that there are now members of 13 other tribal communities working for the Osoyoos. The little band contributes $40-million a year to the area economy.

Chief Louie is tough. He is as proud of the fact that his band fires its own people as well as hires them. He has his mottos pasted throughout the “Rez.” He believes there is “no such thing as consensus,” that there will always be those who disagree. And, he says, he is milquetoast compared to his own mother when it comes to how today's lazy aboriginal youth, almost exclusively male, should be dealt with.

“Rent a plane,” she told him, “and fly them all to Iraq. Dump 'em off and all the ones who make it back are keepers. Right on, Mom.”

The message he has brought here to the Chipewyan, Dene and Cree who live around the oil sands is equally direct: Get involved, create jobs — and meaningful jobs, not just “window dressing” for the oil companies.

“The biggest employer,” he says, “shouldn't be the band office.”

He also says the time has come to “get over it.” No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments. No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.

Louie says aboriginals here and along the Mackenzie Valley should not look at any sharing in development as “rocking-chair money” but as investment opportunity to create sustainable businesses. He wants them to move beyond entry-level jobs to real jobs they “earn” — all the way to the boardrooms. He wants to see “business manners” develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be “drive through,” and then right back at it.

“You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development,” he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition.

Tough talk, at times shocking talk given the audience, but on this day in this community, they took it — and, judging by the response, they loved it.

“Eighty per cent like what I have to say,” Louie says, “Twenty per cent don't. I always say to the 20 per cent, ‘Get over it. Chances are you're never going to see me again and I'm never going to see you again. Get some counselling.'”

The first step, he says, is all about leadership. He prides himself on being “a stay-home chief who looks after the potholes in his own backyard” and wastes no time “running around fighting 100-year-old battles.

The biggest challenge will be how you treat your own people."

“Blaming government? That time is over.”
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ront/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20060921.wmacgregor21

He had me at hello!!!
 

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Bravo for him! Again I say, bravo! Now if only he could share this message with the lazy white people in our cities who seem to think they are owed a living just "because"
 

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Thanx self, although I do agree with his message, I still have some left, left in me, lol. His words are strong and his ideals are stronger, if the Native community walked away with alf his sense, we would be a better people for it.

btw, rotflmffao sanctus.
 

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too bloody right indian time doesnt cut it. that's one thing that really pissed me off up north, people just couldn't be arsed to turn up on time for anything. Lateness is rudeness in my book.
 

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Do you know Bear if he tours across the Country. If he doesn't want to get mixed up in the Federal crap, he could go from nation to nation bringing his message. He seems like a well grounded positive influence.

I particularly liked this quote:
“You're going to lose your language and culture faster in poverty than you will in economic development,” he says to those who say he is ignoring tradition.
 

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He does sound like a CEO. Even the crooked CEO's possess a lot of drive and ambition. If almost any of us walked away with 1/2 the drive and ambition of a successful CEO would be better off.
 

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Don't think I know the guy, but I probably know a couple of his relatives.
Anyway, he seems to be a go-getter: http://www.syilx.org/images/event_file/14.pdf (about halfway down there's a bit about him winning an award).
I don't think this guy is crooked, Rom. probably can't say the same for Westbank's Ron Derrickson. He was chief when I was in the Okanagan, might still be. Story goes that he became a millionaire partly by using band money for his own purposes. (Westbank is about 75 miles north of Osoyoos.)
 
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Empowering oneself. A wonderful message to spread.

I had to chuckle at the Indian time reference. When my cousin died, his cousins wrote his eulogy, and they laughed that his only fault, was that of running on Indian time. It had the whole church chuckling. When sanctus posted an article about the church's decision to control eulogies, it made me sad to think we might not have gotten that little chuckle
 

snfu73

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I think "Indian time" as it's called is not that bad of a thing. I think that far too many people are stressed out about getting here on time and there on time and meeting this deadline or that deadline and not meeting someones approval because they are late because a train happened to slow them down or something...something uncontrollable like that. I admire folks that can just say it doesn't matter. I think it's a whole lot healthier...and it would be sad if that were forced to disappear like so much else of native culture...not to say that all native folks run on "indian time", but, it does seem to have a connection with the culture...after all, this thread wouldn't exist without it. To me, I think that the chief has good things to say, but is essentially pushing the ideals of modern culture and the expectations that have developed with it...and I don't think that this is necessarily a great thing. I don't see our modern culture as being all that healthy...so to wholeheartedly adopt it...well...it might not be the best way to go. "Indian time" might just be what modern society needs...not the other way around.
 

karrie

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"Indian time" might just be what modern society needs...not the other way around.

I can't say I disagree, can't say I agree. A lot of what people complain about with 'Indian time', is lack of forethought, and lack of consideration. Sure, it's a less stress way of living for those who don't worry about being anywhere on time, but it is not less stress for employers, friends, or family members who are inconvenienced or made to feel unimportant by someone who neglects to show consideration or forethought. There is a lesson to learn though.... if something gets in your way, and you are unavoidably late, such is life. Relax, you'll get there eventually. A middle ground of sorts is what's needed.
 

snfu73

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I can't say I disagree, can't say I agree. A lot of what people complain about with 'Indian time', is lack of forethought, and lack of consideration. Sure, it's a less stress way of living for those who don't worry about being anywhere on time, but it is not less stress for employers, friends, or family members who are inconvenienced or made to feel unimportant by someone who neglects to show consideration or forethought. There is a lesson to learn though.... if something gets in your way, and you are unavoidably late, such is life. Relax, you'll get there eventually. A middle ground of sorts is what's needed.
Well, I guess the thing to is, in our society, as it is, no, it doesn't work...BUT, if society were to become more open to a less structured lifestyle as a whole...well, maybe we would all be better off for it. I mean, it wouldn't just be being late and not caring...it would also be on the otherside being open to the fact that someone else is going to be late...a more relaxed, laid back approach I suppose. I don't know if I am communicating this right...I don't think I am. Part of the stress in our society is the expectations we put on other people...and when they don't meet those expectations, some of us get upset, stressed, angry, etc. Well, if our society were to remove those expectations...maybe things would be healthier, see? And so what...so things take more time, whatever, this or that...that might be okay.

I will say, I do agree...it's a matter of compromising and kinda reworking into this utopian idea I suppose I have. You are probably right that a middle ground has to be sought. But, like I was saying, the concept of "Indian Time" which also equates to "Mexican Time"...it's very similar in mexico...is not necessarily a bad thing...and in fact, seems healthier.
 

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I will say, I do agree...it's a matter of compromising and kinda reworking into this utopian idea I suppose I have. You are probably right that a middle ground has to be sought. But, like I was saying, the concept of "Indian Time" which also equates to "Mexican Time"...it's very similar in mexico...is not necessarily a bad thing...and in fact, seems healthier.

You're right, Indian time isn't a unique concept. It's a commonly used concept to describe cultures that haven't made the switch into the industrialized mindset fully yet. But, so long as we live in an industrialized society, with stores that need to open on time, shift changes that need to happen on time, appointments that need to be arrived at on time.... we will need to seek the middle ground. While it might be ideal to throw schedules to the wind, it just doesn't work in industrialized society.
 

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Smart guy and a great deal more savvy than our politicians. Plainspoken, a straight shooter and he knows how to get a point across. We really do need better folk at the helm in Canada. He'd shake up the sleeping ship pretty quickly.
 

snfu73

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So, I went back and read this again, and I gotta say, I see this guy as a rather dangerous extremist.

He has his mottos pasted throughout the “Rez.” He believes there is “no such thing as consensus,”

Can anyone say cult like leader....or self absorbed "My way is the only way" kinda thinking? Who does this guy think he is? Jesus? I mean, obviously he has seen some success on his reserve...but at what cost? This article just focuses on him...but, at what cost has this success come at for the people of the reserve? Have things swung too far the other way...where they once went from oppressive poverty to being oppressed in the name of success? That is something that brings concern to me, especially when I see this kind of rhetoric.

He wants to see “business manners” develop: showing up on time, working extra hours. The business lunch, he says, should be “drive through,” and then right back at it.

Can anyone say "this is utter CRAP!". This isn't a recipe for success...this is a recipe for burnout, ulcers, heart attacks, and just generally unhealthy living in the quest for the all mighty dollar. Many westerners are going to therapy just to learn NOT how to live this way, and this guy is pushing this lifestyle on his people? I don't think that is healthy...at all. I don't condone this, I don't think most health care workers would condone this, I don't think that it's exactly good for family life if one has a family (and lord knows how the religious folks LOVE the family, so it's strange that religious folks would be all ra, ra about this concept). I don't see how this is any better for folks than what they have at the moment...it's swinging in the completely opposite way!!

He also says the time has come to “get over it.” No more whining about 100-year-old failed experiments. No foolishly looking to the Queen to protect rights.

I would like to know what exactly he is refering to here. He loves to talk in vague, blanket statements. But...what does he mean, exactly? If he could give some sort of a reference point it would help. I see issues like the grassy narrows blockades as being not only important for native culture...but for all Canadians, and am very grateful for the efforts these folks are putting in, working hard to prevent multinational pulp and paper companies from completely tearing apart Northwestern Ontario. If these are the kind of activities he is railing against....well...I can't agree with him.
 

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too bloody right indian time doesnt cut it. that's one thing that really pissed me off up north, people just couldn't be arsed to turn up on time for anything. Lateness is rudeness in my book.


It's cultural, and not exclusive to the Native people. I was once told by a Filipino that people in Canada were too "uptight" about time, making themselves slaves to clocks and schedules instead of just living.
 

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I'm sure he would straighten out that party too. Then it wouldn't be safe to put all your eggs in one basket, with this one. He has my attention tho.