FIFA should have overruled Quebec on hijab ban

[westmanguy]

They stay in their own nation if they want to mantain their public culture.

Canada's public culture is different, and you maintain your religion in your home and in your church. And your culture in your home, not in a new nation.

We have lost all identity.

And Tonington, I WILL write my MP about this. OMG are you in Peter MacKay's riding, that would be so cool....

 

[Tonington]

Nope, hes the next riding east of here. Bill Casey is the MP here.

 

[westmanguy]

Is NS a Con. strong hold? What about Atlantic Canada in general, where do they usually lean?

 

[Tonington]

In Federal politics it's mostly Liberal, they took more seats than any other party, 6/11 for Liberals, 3/11 for Conservatives and 2/11 for the NDP.

For the Atlantic Region, it was 9 Conservatives, 20 Liberals and 3 NDP.

 

[TomG]

Lord, get a grip. The issue isn’t about multi-culturalism or personal problems, and the issue certainly isn’t about immigrants coming here and refusing to assimilate (even if such were taken as a genuine issue). Football (Soccer) is an international game governed by FIFA in conjunction with a referees’ association. The rules are international rules. The rules used in Canada don’t belong to Canada, Ontario or Quebec. The rules belong to FIFA, and any specific local variation must be consistent with FIFA rules. In fact, FIFA can be taken as the only true world government at least within its admittedly narrow sphere.

Similarly, the issue also isn’t about human rights or religious freedom. The issue is safety and the authority of game referees. The call made was about safety and was upheld on grounds of safety. The word of the referee on the field is absolute law and inevitably will be upheld by any and all discipline and appeal committees.

In absence of officially certified apparel, the referee’s discretion on that day, about that game, that player and that particular head-gear prevails. What players wear or are allowed to where elsewhere is irrelevant. Every serious play knows that you do what the referee says. Even if the referee is wrong, you still do it, or you don’t play. If you argue you will be ejected and serve a lengthy world-wide suspension, for you have challenged the referee’s authority. The only grounds for appeal is mistaken identity. Players who do not understand or accept the rules are poorly coached and poorly advised. Coaches who withdraw their teams from tournaments also are poorly coached and poorly advised. It’s about safety and the quality of the game. To play at a serious level, you submerge your ego to the requirements of the game. Failure to learn that necessity early in a player’s career has squandered many fine talents. Human rights forums are available many places--even likely within FIFA. Attempted argument and debate with a game official is not the place

 

[tamarin]

Tom, you can split the log any way you want but this one will always be viewed for its multicultural component.

 

[RomSpaceKnight]

Wearing a hajib is hardly performance enhancing. So what's the big deal? I love multi-culturalism. I love the ideal of inclusion and tolerance without conforming. The bigget threat to Canadian culture is those who think we should be more like the states. You don't like it here with all the foreigners and their "funny" ways, leave. Emigrate to another country.

 

[Sparrow]

NO THIS IS MY COUNTRY.

If you don't like my country then you move. There are other countries with multi-culturism that you might like.

 

[snfu73]

Alot of Canadians, me included, get a PO'ed when people come to OUR nation, and want to keep their original public life.

What they do in their homes or property is UP TO THEM (as long as its legal), but in the public, and in organizations, you conform to the rules and expectations of that nation.

I have a problem when a person puts their hood up over their head, or a muslim girl covers her head.

In schools, we were never allowed any clothing on our head, but that is thrown out for Muslims!

What you do in your home is your choice, what you do in public or an organization is of that nation or organization's choice.

You can have your culture, but not destroy our culture.

Multiculturalism has killed Canada's culture... our culture is bowing down and conforming to other people's culture.

I personally admire the USA's melting pot, immigrants adjust to a certain way of life in public, and do their own thing in their homes and churches.

I can't believe you. You get all upset about anyone even breathing criticism about your religion...yet listen to you!!! That's utter crap!!!

 

[snfu73]

NO THIS IS MY COUNTRY.

If you don't like my country then you move. There are other countries with multi-culturism that you might like.

This is my country too...you can feel free to leave to a place where people who think only like you, who dress only like you, and talk only like you can hang around...it's called little village in your MIND.

 

[snfu73]

That's not at all what she was suggesting and you know it. Her points were actually succinct. Would you support hindu citizens dumping the ashes of their dead in our rivers?

Why would that be a bad thing?

 

[snfu73]

Exactly. What people do in their own homes and in their private lives is their own business, but expecting the entire country to accomodate those practices is a bit much.

Isn't that calling the kettle black.

 

[Zzarchov]

Funny, My culture isn't "traditional canadian culture".

Which is actually a myth, talk to your grandparents. They had the same damn debates.

Oh the debates about Irish with their funny culture, the backlash and NINA signs everywhere. How wierd and alien germans and then slavs and other eastern europeans were..with their funny languages, funny foods, funny clothings and funny customs.

And oh, how the WASP canadians griped and moaned about the evil coming our way. About how these odd foriegn cultures are mixing with ours, polluting it.


And it became the very "traditional" Canadian culture morons now feel the need to "Defend", its only 60 years old! It will be destroyed the same way it was created, evolution..

Or do you not notice the big St.Patties day parties and the large number of german speaking and ukranian speaking communities still about? The Irish pups in every town next to the German Schnitzelhouse.

"Tradtional Canadian Culture" is very different cultures being mashed togethor with a hammer bitching the whole way. Much like is happening now.

 

[Blackleaf]

Like soccer, too. What are they doing playing that game? After all, they're over here now.

It's hockey in winter, lacrosse in summer. They need to learn to be good upstanding white folks, just to keep mapleleafgirl happy.

And no mixing of races, either. Maybe they need a league all to themselves. Why, they probably smell funny, too.

Most Asians from countries such as India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc - which is where these Asian girls' families probably came from - usually play cricket. It's the national sport of all of these countries. In Britain you see all the Asians in the local park or in the street playing cricket.

Football is usually their second sport.

 

[TomG]

Nobody owns their country, and culture is nobody’s to speak for. Anybody who thinks the purpose of the FIFA rules to enforce their view of their culture is mistaken. However, most anything short of hate or liable can be written. Personal attitude and unresolved personal problems may be attached to events in wildly inappropriate manners and expressed publicly. That is the price paid for the relatively open society which we enjoy.

Much as I loath some of the attitude expressed in this thread. My main aggravation would most likely still be directed at the player’s coach who withdrew the player’s team from competition. Of course, conclusions should not be drawn without reading the referee’s game report, which certainly nobody has or will read, except for officials and participants in discipline committee hearings.

However, if I were still chairing a district association discipline and appeals committee and the event happened in my district then that coach would appear before my committee. I’d convene a hearing even if inappropriate behaviour was not cited in the referee’s game report. The referee is responsible for conduct of the game, but associations are responsible for the quality of the game. The game doesn’t need organizers who choose to assert individual attitudes of what is safe or unsafe or appropriate or inappropriate while on the field. The game also doesn’t need coaches that are incapable of instilling sufficient character, skills and discipline in their players to play the game to what ever competitive level their talent and inclinations take them. Coaches bear responsibility for the football lives of their players.

A coach who claims the rules as if they were the coach’s to claim and then walks out when things don’t go the coach’s way seems like a poor start to life. It seems like a good route to becoming , as an adult, simply and solely a self-consumer of one’s own woes. An adult personality designed to rail at life’s unfairness in Internet discussion forums as life’s most meaningful occupation. Yes, when an adult becomes a self-consumer of themselves, the world is truly uncaring. Same seems true for adults that claim country and culture as their own property.

 

[Avro]

The Muslims are the popular people to hate right now and topics like this expose most Canadians for what they really are.

Cultural bigots.

 

[Sparrow]

First of all I was not talking to you, I was answering a post by RomspaceKnight.
Second this is an OPEN SOCIETY & a free country, so I have a right to my ideas.
Third the hijab is not part of their religion, it is a custom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Muslim_scholars

Until the 50' in Canada it was the custom that women could not vote.
Also not too long ago it was the custom that women in need of treatment or surgury in hospitals could not have it done unless their husbands or fathers signed the conscent. These are only 2 examples but there are many more. We have progressed as a country and became an open society. This hijab topic is only a symptom of the demands being put on our society. Many other ethnic groups have immigrated in the past but they have not asked for restrictive accommodations but have intigrated and even helped to make our open society. All we ask is for them to adapt to our open society.

 

[Sparrow]

This is my country too...you can feel free to leave to a place where people who think only like you, who dress only like you, and talk only like you can hang around...it's called little village in your MIND.

My above post is addressed to SINFU 73

 

[Avro]

First of all I was not talking to you, I was answering a post by RomspaceKnight.
Second this is an OPEN SOCIETY & a free country, so I have a right to my ideas.
Third the hijab is not part of their religion, it is a custom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab#Muslim_scholars

Until the 50' in Canada it was the custom that women could not vote.
Also not too long ago it was the custom that women in need of treatment or surgury in hospitals could not have it done unless their husbands or fathers signed the conscent. These are only 2 examples but there are many more. We have progressed as a country and became an open society. This hijab topic is only a symptom of the demands being put on our society. Many other ethnic groups have immigrated in the past but they have not asked for restrictive accommodations but have intigrated and even helped to make our open society. All we ask is for them to adapt to our open society.

The hijab is about choice, nothing you mentioned is about that. For many Muslim women it is required based on their interprtation of the Qur'an just like your link suggests.

These garments are very different in cut than most of the traditional forms of hijab, and they are worn worldwide by Muslimas who have adopted Salafism. Salafis believe that the jilbab and the khimar are the very garments demanded by the Qur'an.

These women won't even go swimming unless men are not present.

Also the hijab is about as unsafe in a soccer game as a ponytail.

Cultural bigotry is all this is.

 

[Sparrow]

This goes both ways, what about the bigotry to our way of life.

I have no objection to the hijab in general and as I said it is a custom or choice if you prefer. But it doesn't stop there, if you check on other thread about this subject you will see that I posted other demands that have been made against our open society not only by the Muslims but also the Hesidic Jews. It is to the point that in many cases they a demanding that we change our public services to suit them. What they do in their homes or their communities is no business of mine but when they try to change our ways in YMCS, CLSC, SAAQ, and espically when a doctor get assaulted because he is doing his job there is a limited.

When people immigrate here, and I am not only talking about Muslims, from countries that are so drastically different from our, they need to be told about our ways of doing things and that they are expected to uphold the ways of their new country. If you look at the majority of immigrants including Muslims they have integrated nicely for years, it is only lately that some extremists (not terrorists) are making extreme demands.

Also maybe I should explain somewhat why the referee made that decision. A couple of year ago a young boy wearing a sweat ban was killed in a soccer game. Someone inadvertently got their finger caught in the sweat ban and the child's neck was broken hence he died. Sometimes a incident like this colors people's judgement for a long time.