Catholic Discussion

[sanctus]

Well, sanctus I have one interesting site you can visit, I do not ment to make fool of you, but I ment to show- the way many people read the Bible is wrong.

Here is one Bible that is correct, King James A.V. 1611.

We have found 200 faulties in several Bibles from Europe.
Here's the one that is right:
http://www.wyldewood.org/sfc/

BmOnline

The quotations I gave you were from the NKJ, as I suspected that you would prefer this version. But even in the 1611 the Last Supper is described the same. And you can post as many protestant links as you like, but it is a useless effort on your part.I can't even, for the sake of being polite, begin to tell you my real and honest opinion of what I think of most protestant theology.

 

[sanctus]

It is an issue to me. And, if in the quest to please god, a collective group pushes some to suicide and self hatred, that doesn't bother you?

The Church pushes nobody to suicide. That is an audacious claim to make. The only thing responsible for your own actions is yourself.

Besides...it is your interpretation of god. There are many interpretations of gods word out there...and not all of them involve bigotry and hatred.

Perhaps, but we hold the correct interpretation of the Christian faith.

You go on trying to please god...but if you expect people to accept blatant bigoted and homophobic rhetoric from the church...then, forget it. And, for it not being such a big issue with your religion, your religion sure made a big fuss about it when same sex marriage legislation was passed, and when harper tried to strike it down. And, it sure would be a big deal if someone who happened to be openly gay attempted to become a priest.

g.

It's not an issue with the Church, that is, within the church it is not discussed. As for society, as members of the same country, we certainly have a right to express our views on matters that involve the welfare of the country, like any citizen.

 

[sanctus]

And, Sanctus, when you say it doesn't bother people inside the church, obviously you haven't dealt
with all of the caholic gay people within the church, as I am sure they are very "bothered" by it.
The rest of the catholic believers just hide in their own prejudices and behind the laws of the
church, which makes them feel they are doing good, but they are not.

Let me clarify my point. you are talking two separate things, and the fault is mine for not providing greater detail. When I stated it was not an issue in the Church, I meant that it is not argued, discussed or suggested on such a fashion as it is in the secular world. In other words, there are no cries from the membership to follow the secular world into its' support for this immoral lifestyle.

As to individuals, their struggle to maintain righteous living is no greater than anyone else trying to follow what God wants for them. And they can, if they choose, find support to change their inclinations and learn to live as a sexually normal person.

 

[m_levesque]

The quotations I gave you were from the NKJ, as I suspected that you would prefer this version. But even in the 1611 the Last Supper is described the same. And you can post as many protestant links as you like, but it is a useless effort on your part.I can't even, for the sake of being polite, begin to tell you my real and honest opinion of what I think of most protestant theology.

It is one thing to open dialogues with protestants and work with them to promote universal Christian ideals- it is quite another thing altogather to forget the True Faith and our duty to evangelize all non-Catholics.

Too many Catholics today are sinking into the heresy of relativism.

 

[m_levesque]

I guess I better chime in here with my bible, of course.

Okay, you've "chimed". Feel free to not do so anymore;-)

 

[m_levesque]

I didn't say catholocism caused suicide...BUT...it can be a factor. If people are constantly cutting someone down for being who they are it affects them in pretty deep ways, and can lead to bad stuff. If someone wants to argue that "hey, not my problem", I argue...bull. If you are catholic and involved in this activity of cutting people down with no sufficient backing as to why...then...you are guilty, I charge. You are guilty of contributing to conditions that can lead to damaging results.

Now back to the bible. The bible is not the word of god. It is a document written by a collective group of people. I don't believe for a second it is the word of god but just a book...but for the sake of this argument, what I want to say is, even if it is the word of god, it has been filtered through humans and has gone through translations and has been altered over time. It is, in no way, the pure, straight up word of god. It is an altered document. So....how can it be trusted? How can anyone look at it as infalliable?

There is only one true Chuch- the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church under the visible leadership of the Roman Pontiff. This is the Church established by Christ Who made St. Peter and his glorious successors the visible leaders of the Church.

If you were Baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you were cleansed of original sin. But you were not given the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which are conferred through the Sacrament of Confirmation by a Bishop.

Also, God does not "show Himself at other churches", for there is One True Church- the Catholic Church. All other "churches" are but schismatic sects of the Catholic Church that teach heresies in varying degrees.

 

[marygaspe]

All of us sins in one way or the other. So, we are not exempt to judge and condemn another sinner’s soul to hell. Regardless: of the sin.

We may address the behavior and judge that as according to our beliefs, but not the soul.

The world is the whipping boy, and in it, there is absolutely no mercy.

So, Mercy than has to come from us. Perhaps we can rescue some of them with our love.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Where is this found in the Catechism, please? I ask because this thread title is not "AJ's Discussion", it is "CATHOLIC" discussion, so might I respectfully ask that you keep your odd theories to another thread.

 

[marygaspe]

What happens when you give up something for Lent and then break that promise (either intentionally or unintentionally)?

 

[sanctus]

What happens when you give up something for Lent and then break that promise (either intentionally or unintentionally)?

The practice of giving up something for Lent (e.g., chocolate, meat, TV, the Internet, etc.) is a voluntary private devotion that the Church does not regulate. You are free to set aside that devotion at any time. No sin is committed by breaking such Lenten resolutions. All that is binding upon the consciences of Catholics are the fast and abstinence guidelines of the Church (no meat on Lenten Fridays; fasting and abstinence from meat on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday).

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Where is this found in the Catechism, please? I ask because this thread title is not "AJ's Discussion", it is "CATHOLIC" discussion, so might I respectfully ask that you keep your odd theories to another thread.

for sure. i think he means well but you never know what hes talking about-long,long posts with lots of bible quotes that never make any sense. to be honest, i stopped reading his posts a long time ago.im not sure hes playing with a full deck.

 

[BmOnline]

What I think of most catholic theology...

The quotations I gave you were from the NKJ, as I suspected that you would prefer this version. But even in the 1611 the Last Supper is described the same. And you can post as many protestant links as you like, but it is a useless effort on your part.I can't even, for the sake of being polite, begin to tell you my real and honest opinion of what I think of most protestant theology.

sanctus, I belive the Bible. It was not protestant links, but may you like to put it that way? Sure you did, but it is not protestant. Do you want to put me in an organization? You will then be dissapointed. And I have no special desire to "show how", but I sure have read from that Bible, that the Holy Spirit will lead you in this "talken". So then the question is, do we all have the Holy Spirit? Because it it told by the Bible, without the Holy Spirit, you cannot read the Bible, or understand what's actually written there. Therefore all this errors keep coming up.

If we go back to Moses when he leads the lambs of Israel across the read sea. How many of them came into rest? From the ca 2 million people there was only 2 that God let into heaven. It was Josva and Caleb. Only two. The rest of the people did not belive in Him. And their body's felt dead to the ground in the desert.

This dear sanctus, is a picture of the darkness today in the end of time.

So there are just a few of all the millions of catholics that fit this door of God. See?

But of cause, God have already maked His deal, He have already pickt out who he want to enter this door. This He did before the earth was created by Himself.




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[mapleleafgirl]

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This dear sanctus, is a picture of the darkness today in the end of time.

So there are just a few of all the millions of catholics that fit this door of God. See?

But of cause, God have already maked His deal, He have already pickt out who he want to enter this door. This He did before the earth was created by Himself.




BmOnline

dude, youre wasting your time and you just sound silly anyway. sanctus is a catholic priest so i dont think youre gonna get him to leave the real church for your cult. aj already tried with his culty stuff, so good luck to you!

 

[mapleleafgirl]

sanctus, I belive the Bible. It was not protestant links, but may you like to put it that way? Sure you did, but it is not protestant. Do you want to put me in an organization? You will then be dissapointed. And I have no special desire to "show how", but I sure have read from that Bible, that the Holy Spirit will lead you in this "talken". So then the question is, do we all have the Holy Spirit? Because it it told by the Bible, without the Holy Spirit, you cannot read the Bible, or understand what's actually written there. Therefore all this errors keep coming up.

If we go back to Moses when he leads the lambs of Israel across the read sea. How many of them came into rest? From the ca 2 million people there was only 2 that God let into heaven. It was Josva and Caleb. Only two. The rest of the people did not belive in Him. And their body's felt dead to the ground in the desert.

This dear sanctus, is a picture of the darkness today in the end of time.

So there are just a few of all the millions of catholics that fit this door of God. See?

But of cause, God have already maked His deal, He have already pickt out who he want to enter this door. This He did before the earth was created by Himself.




BmOnline

anyway...another point...what has this to do with the catholic faith?

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Sorry...I'm taking it up with you and your interpretation of god and god's word. Not all religions are so cruel to gays. So, it seems to me that the problem is in the interpretation of hardcore followers of catholism...not god. And saying that homosexuality is wrong, and that's all there is to it, you have no control over it is bull. Why not question god's teachings as you see them then? Obviously you have your own prejudices here. But to just sit back and say "This is the way god wants it, don't question" is crap...pure crap.

you cant argue with god. its in the bible and the church teaches it.so its a done deal. if you dont like it, just dont go to a catholic church.there, problem solved. otherwise, what catholics believe arent any of your business unless youre a catholic.

 

[talloola]

Where is this found in the Catechism, please? I ask because this thread title is not "AJ's Discussion", it is "CATHOLIC" discussion, so might I respectfully ask that you keep your odd theories to another thread.

You can label this thread "anything you want to", how about Catholics only, but don't expect to have
what "you" want. This is a open forum, for all of us, you can't close a thread, and have it to yourself,
as I've stated before, if you want your little "private catholic" chat, you'll have to think of something
else. These titles are "inviting" diverse opinions, that is what it is meant to do, not to cozy up to
all your friends for a private chat.

 

[talloola]

Let me clarify my point. you are talking two separate things, and the fault is mine for not providing greater detail. When I stated it was not an issue in the Church, I meant that it is not argued, discussed or suggested on such a fashion as it is in the secular world. In other words, there are no cries from the membership to follow the secular world into its' support for this immoral lifestyle.

As to individuals, their struggle to maintain righteous living is no greater than anyone else trying to follow what God wants for them. And they can, if they choose, find support to change their inclinations and learn to live as a sexually normal person.

OK, I understand now, as long as they are accepted into the church, even if others know they are gay,
that is different. It is still a difficult life for them, but at least they have a choice then, just as all
of us do, for any different ideas we have, which others might not agree with. Thanks for clarifying
that point. So, what you are saying is that, a gay person could come and discuss his feelings and
struggles with a priest, and discussion about his life could help him through difficulties from time to time, as long as he/she is abstaining from homosexual acivity.
It is still a tough law, but life is tough, and we can't always have everything as we want to, and
as the other person said, they do have a choice to go to another religion, if he/she can't cope with
catholic law.

 

[snfu73]

you cant argue with god. its in the bible and the church teaches it.so its a done deal. if you dont like it, just dont go to a catholic church.there, problem solved. otherwise, what catholics believe arent any of your business unless youre a catholic.

Again...people on here are having difficulty with the concept of dicussion forums...they are places to discuss. I am discussing.

You are right...I really don't care what Catholics do...until it DOES start affecting my life, or the life of people I know, and that is why I am focused on the treatment of members of the GLBT community by the Catholic church. I feel that segments of the Catholic church have gone too far in trying to impose their ideals on our society, in attempts to influence votes that recognize the rights of members of this community.

Anyway, I apologize so much for actually using these forums for what they are for...discussing stuff. What the heck was Ithinking!?!?!?!

You catholics really don't like to be questioned. It's one way, and that's it, it would appear. Ask anything, and you are basically told to shut up. Nice...really nice.

 

[snfu73]

There is only one true Chuch- the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church under the visible leadership of the Roman Pontiff. This is the Church established by Christ Who made St. Peter and his glorious successors the visible leaders of the Church.

If you were Baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you were cleansed of original sin. But you were not given the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which are conferred through the Sacrament of Confirmation by a Bishop.

Also, God does not "show Himself at other churches", for there is One True Church- the Catholic Church. All other "churches" are but schismatic sects of the Catholic Church that teach heresies in varying degrees.

Ahhhhh fundamentalism....THAT'S something that has done the world a heck of a lot of good. How do you KNOW? How do you know that you are as right as you claim to be about this issue? How? What proof can you offer me that you are indeed correct?

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Again...people on here are having difficulty with the concept of dicussion forums...they are places to discuss. I am discussing.

You are right...I really don't care what Catholics do...until it DOES start affecting my life, or the life of people I know, and that is why I am focused on the treatment of members of the GLBT community by the Catholic church. I feel that segments of the Catholic church have gone too far in trying to impose their ideals on our society, in attempts to influence votes that recognize the rights of members of this community.

Anyway, I apologize so much for actually using these forums for what they are for...discussing stuff. What the heck was Ithinking!?!?!?!

You catholics really don't like to be questioned. It's one way, and that's it, it would appear. Ask anything, and you are basically told to shut up. Nice...really nice.

im sorry if that is what you think i was saying. i probably didnt say it right. what i was trying to say was how is discussion going to change something when you know they wont change it anyway? i mean, there are just things about the church that even i know is a waste of time to argue over cos no matter what i think they are just going to keep it the same..like just men in the priesthood for example.

 

[snfu73]

Well, like I've explained before to others. It's an interesting topic. I'm learning alot. People are engaging me in interesting conversation. I have opinions. I don't think I'm about to change anyones mind. I don't agree with everyone in here. But, all it is is a discussion. I mean, really, why does this whole site exist? None of these threads are going to shake the earth to the core and change a ton of things. All of the threads are merely discussions. I'm enjoying this discussion. People, for the most part, have been very respectful to me. I think I've raised good points, and others have countered with some very interesting points. It's just a good conversation. That's all.