How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

It must seem awfully odd to not have the support and comfort of the Church in trying to live as a Christian. I was trying to imagine myself just sitting in a room reading a Bible and making up doctrine from it. There are so many directions one could go in! Amazing to be foolish enough to consider one's own self capable of developing doctrine.

Sanctus, I don’t have anything against the Catholic Church. In fact I am grateful for the church as been the originators of the bible.

But the key figure in this whole religious scenario is Jesus. And that is what I focus on regardless of how I worship Him.

It is like parents of six children. They are all children regardless of how they show their love for the parents.

The focus is on love for the parents not how that love is exercised.

I have mentioned many times before that I desire no one to change who or what they are unless God moves them to.

Not everybody has the same level or degree of faith. So, there must-needs-be those who can relate to all those levels in order to be able reach them for Christ. Some require reigid structure, other don't.


God can not be boxed into one religion. But there can be one faith, one spirit and one God.
In the Catholic discussion thread, I posted a website. This website details the discussion of universal salvation as well as other topics. Heaven: and hell too.

When God touches the heart, it doesn’t matter what religion we are of, or not.

If and when God moves in ones heart, He will direct our paths to maximize the our best efforts on His behalf.

God works through us as vessels to demonstrate His power and His glory to His praise.

He is the Potter we are the clay, He moulds us and shapes us to what He desires of us.

And those vessels of clay can be anything He wants, Mormons, Baptist, Catholics, etc.

We all are going through the fiery furnace, (The world) tested and true, to come out at the end a complete and purified vessel.

If our works are made of wood or stubble, they shall be burned and we shall suffer loss.

But if our works are made of silver or gold, then the fire will only refine it and make it a joy.
The works I speak are as to what motive is behind them that drives us to either suffer loss of joy, or gain joy and contentment in Gods honoring us as with His blessings.

There should be no argument between us really, because we believe in the same Lord and God.
We should be of the same spirit even though we practice honoring God differently.

That should be not a problem because we love each other as brothers and sisters.

You worship how you like, I worship how I like as long as we both love God and brethren, which is in harmony with the two great commandments that Jesus left us with.

Unity of spirit does not mean unity of religions.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

Sanctus, I don’t have anything against the Catholic Church. In fact I am grateful for the church as been the originators of the bible.

But the key figure in this whole religious scenario is Jesus. And that is what I focus on regardless of how I worship Him.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:

AJ, do you think we can stop this back and forth? I respect the fact that you are seeking God. I sincerely hope one day you find Him, but we are not going to agree and I frankly am getting weary of reading and replying to what is essentially the same point over and over and over.

In the spirit of truth, I shall write in honesty. I think your intentions are good ones, for they seek Christ, but I no more consider you a Christian than I would a Muslim. I think you've fallen victim to out-right heresy and blasphemy against God.I believe you have turned the Bible into an idol and you have fallen to the sin of pride and vanity by assuming yourself adept enough in your reading to properly understand what you are reading or to provide a proper exegesis of any of the passages. You have left the Church, of your own free-will, and this was your first mistake. In doing so you surrended the Sacraments and proper doctrinal teaching. Continue on your own, and it will lead you further and further away from God.

I shall pray for you and hopefully continue to enjoy dialogue with you on any other topic. But this one, in my opinion, has come to an end.

 

[look3467]

AJ, do you think we can stop this back and forth? I respect the fact that you are seeking God. I sincerely hope one day you find Him, but we are not going to agree and I frankly am getting weary of reading and replying to what is essentially the same point over and over and over.

In the spirit of truth, I shall write in honesty. I think your intentions are good ones, for they seek Christ, but I no more consider you a Christian than I would a Muslim. I think you've fallen victim to out-right heresy and blasphemy against God.I believe you have turned the Bible into an idol and you have fallen to the sin of pride and vanity by assuming yourself adept enough in your reading to properly understand what you are reading or to provide a proper exegesis of any of the passages. You have left the Church, of your own free-will, and this was your first mistake. In doing so you surrended the Sacraments and proper doctrinal teaching. Continue on your own, and it will lead you further and further away from God.

I shall pray for you and hopefully continue to enjoy dialogue with you on any other topic. But this one, in my opinion, has come to an end.

Pray for what my brother, my salvation? You mean to say that God is exclusively Catholic?
But you are a Christian and I’m not, you say.

I believe you are a Christian and performing a great service to OUR Lord.
Limited: only by the dogmas, the traditions of the Catholic Church, which is clearly understood by me?

You are not “free” to love outside the church, for the church binds you.

That is why you are not able to agree with me and to say the things you said about me.

But I can accept your beliefs, call you a Christian and praise you for the work you are doing.

My whole issue in all my discussions is to point out that love is greater than all our prejudices, our dogmas, practices and words.

Look back at all my posts and see if because of anybody's beliefs, I have condemned anybody.

I haven’t because love is the source of forgiveness, strength, courage and joy in suffering.

I believe that with all my heart.

Oh, if you could not tell, I have found Christ and seeking Him no more, for He is with me when I call.
I am steadfastly secure in Him, the author and finisher of my salvation, my joy, and my peace.
If you can’t tell by my confession of Him, that I know Him, then perhaps you might have a problem?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[m_levesque]

Pray for what my brother, my salvation? You mean to say that God is exclusively Catholic?
But you are a Christian and I’m not, you say.
Oh, if you could not tell, I have found Christ and seeking Him no more, for He is with me when I call.
I am steadfastly secure in Him, the author and finisher of my salvation, my joy, and my peace.
If you can’t tell by my confession of Him, that I know Him, then perhaps you might have a problem?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

You're fooling yourself. You might fool non-believers, but to those who believe it is clear that you believe heresy and blasphemy and your beliefs are an insult to God.

 

[sanctus]

You're fooling yourself. You might fool non-believers, but to those who believe it is clear that you believe heresy and blasphemy and your beliefs are an insult to God.

Saddly, I must agree. But it is not necessary to point this out to him. Better to offer him up in prayer that he might come to truly know Jesus.It is possible for even AJ to see the light and find Jesus in his heart one day. What a joyful that that will be, when our dear friend AJ departs from his heretical teachings and opens his soul to Christ!

 

[mapleleafgirl]

Pray for what my brother, my salvation? You mean to say that God is exclusively Catholic?
But you are a Christian and I’m not, you say.

I believe you are a Christian and performing a great service to OUR Lord.

thought he didnt want to go on and on about this. i was just reading the past couple days of the thread and this is just what it has been. not even on topic anymore. i think sanctus is saying lets let it go now sicne it has nothing to do with sinfulness anymore. anyway, your stuff is too confusing to understand aj.

 

[look3467]

You're fooling yourself. You might fool non-believers, but to those who believe it is clear that you believe heresy and blasphemy and your beliefs are an insult to God.

My Lord dear brother, what words from one who claims to know Christ. I feel like you wouldn't have a problem crucifying me on a cross.

Where is the love? The kind Jesus spoke about?

Sorry you feel that way, because I don't feel that way about you!

I understand your stance better than you understand mine. That is why I can be nice to you.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

thought he didnt want to go on and on about this. i was just reading the past couple days of the thread and this is just what it has been. not even on topic anymore. i think sanctus is saying lets let it go now sicne it has nothing to do with sinfulness anymore. anyway, your stuff is too confusing to understand aj.

The people who are benefiting from our open discussions are those who just read but don't respond.
I understand that the main topic has changed many times, but I personally understand that that is the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

There are folks who may have questions concerning certain issues, and the Holy Spirit senses that. He puts the thoughts into our minds so as to discuss them openly.

Let this thread go on forever if need be, because definitely, it is a form of a ministry.

My stuff is foreign to you because you have never heard of it said that way. But look, take what you like from it and discard the rest.

How can anybody learn anything new if everything is old?

Tell, me, what new inspirations have you learned lately?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

Saddly, I must agree. But it is not necessary to point this out to him. Better to offer him up in prayer that he might come to truly know Jesus.It is possible for even AJ to see the light and find Jesus in his heart one day. What a joyful that that will be, when our dear friend AJ departs from his heretical teachings and opens his soul to Christ!

Thank you for any prayers. I can always use them. But frankly, God has blessed me beyond what I deserve. I know that and He knows that.

I love my God, my Lord Jesus and felt His presence of the Holy Spirit.
So, I have first hand experience of which to speak from.

My joy, my peace is in Him. I mean what else would you like to hear? That I become a Catholic again before you can accept my praise to our Lord?

Geeezz brother, can’t you hear me praising OUR Lord? And say that I don’t know Him? Come on!

When you pray for me, ask Jesus to help you understand me! Perhaps He might enlighten you all abit.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[marygaspe]

My joy, my peace is in Him. I mean what else would you like to hear? That I become a Catholic again before you can accept my praise to our Lord?

Geeezz brother, can’t you hear me praising OUR Lord? And say that I don’t know Him? Come on!

When you pray for me, ask Jesus to help you understand me! Perhaps He might enlighten you all abit.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

The people in your life are there by God's Providence and you have a duty to pray for them and them for you, we each in our own time must pray for each other and for all those who have died and all those yet to be born. It is only in heaven that we will understand the unity of peoples in Christ, that is the Communion of Saints, and how important it is that we minister to each other not only in works but also by prayer.I pray that you will open your eyes and come home to the true Church AJ.

 

[look3467]

The people in your life are there by God's Providence and you have a duty to pray for them and them for you, we each in our own time must pray for each other and for all those who have died and all those yet to be born. It is only in heaven that we will understand the unity of peoples in Christ, that is the Communion of Saints, and how important it is that we minister to each other not only in works but also by prayer.I pray that you will open your eyes and come home to the true Church AJ.

I will agree with you on half of what you said. The half I will not agree with is praying for the dead, and as for the future ones, I can only pray that they will See God in the same light as I do.
I understand the method for the unity of peoples as explained by God in His word.

That unity can only be accomplished with the same spirit. That spirit is love.

When and if mankind exercises the love of God as part of everyday life, then this verse will apply: Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Of that spirit, I now participate. I have no enemies I can’t forgive, and that is the Spirit of Love that Jesus your Lord and mine, met out to us.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[mapleleafgirl]

I will agree with you on half of what you said. The half I will not agree with is praying for the dead, and as for the future ones, I can only pray that they will See God in the same light as I do.:

why wont you pray for the dead? dont you care about the fate of their souls too?

 

[snfu73]

why wont you pray for the dead? dont you care about the fate of their souls too?

??????????

 

[mapleleafgirl]

The people who are benefiting from our open discussions are those who just read but don't respond.
I understand that the main topic has changed many times, but I personally understand that that is the guidance of the Holy Spirit.:

do you really think people are being ministered to? hasnt this thread at times become silly bickering?

 

[marygaspe]

do you really think people are being ministered to? hasnt this thread at times become silly bickering?

It is so far from the original post, it's like it moved to another country!

 

[talloola]

It is so far from the original post, it's like it moved to another country!

I for one would like to know exactly what you would like to read on these posts, what would make
you happy and satisfied.

 

[look3467]

why wont you pray for the dead? Don’t you care about the fate of their souls too?

If you could understand the bible I way I do, you would see that all the souls that have ever been born and the ones that are dying daily, have all seen Jesus.

Meaning that at death, those who never knew, or even those who refused to believe in Jesus will see Him.

Verse: Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Every knee bows at Jesus’ feet, meaning by bowing that they shall see Him as He is: God.

Of which Jesus, having paid the price for salvation of our souls is the owner of them all.

All that is: consistent with the rest of the bible as to the purpose and mission of our Lord Jesus.

So praying for the dead does nothing but waste our time. We should instead be praying for the living since they are the ones still suffering and in need not onlyof our prayers but our help as well.

I care about the fate of the still living, for they could enjoy allot more of Gods blessings if they only knew and believed.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

do you really think people are being ministered to? Hasn’t this thread at times become silly bickering?

Ministering intellectually and spiritualy yes! Here my reasoning why.

Many are educated in their proper beliefs as per their parents. They either get a positive view of it or a negative view of it.
I’ve read that some have had some bad experiences which have led them to disbelieve their parent’s beliefs, or even to disbelieve that there is even a God.

The greatest gift that God could give us is the ability to choose good from evil with out the penalty of death and still being able to act out our choices.

Take for instance those who chose not to believe in God. Because of time and chance, and the experiences of life coupled with a belief, has caused some to doubt what they were thought. Or because they were granted a high IQ that makes it harder to reason from the stand point of faith verses the sciences.

But all is not in vain, for God has made provisions for all of us, believers and non believers to gain eternal life. Just that we have to seek it out so that we may know and understand it.

There had to be a contrast between good and evil in order for us to learn obedience to the good. To be good: folk.

All this nit picking is a way of finding that out. (A play in contrasts)

I feel privileged and honored to be able to understand those things, because I feel that God has tested my ability to be responsible with this information and not go off taking advantage of Gods goodness by sinning at will.

Have you read the responses to some posts about when I said I believe all are going to be saved?
Most of them will say; “Oh, you mean I can go and murder, sin all I want and still go to heaven”?

Again, many need the fear of hell to keep them straight. Otherwise, without love for God, nobody would give a dam.

As for those who insist that God does not exist, the question would be to them: “Will you forgive your enemies when they have committed crimes against you”? If yes: why? If no: why not?

You see, I’ve seen the stats on these threads, and the numbers of people reading them are far greater than the ones posting. This can only mean one thing, that they are being entertained by the likes of us who are on stage with them being the viewing audience.
I rely on the Holy Spirit to deal with their hearts for only He can tell what they are thinking and directs them to learn from us.
They will either be swayed one way or the other, for the stats indicate that they want to read more.

I understand that so, I play my role as ministering to them the love of God by my very words and attitude.

Hope you understood what I said, at least a little?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

It is so far from the original post, it's like it moved to another country!

Mary, please understand that the Holy Spirit is guiding all our lives. What I mean by guiding is that He takes steps to show us by the use of other vessels (Good ones and evil ones)the differences by which we may make a choice, hopefully for the good.

If this thread goes all over the place is because there are issues to be addressed that someone has a need to learn and understand from.

This is the place to teach God's love, His goodness to us ward and how we can benefit from it.

Teaching by example is teaching from experience of one tested and tried and found as a good servant.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[sanctus]

he other, for the stats indicate that they want to read more.

I understand that so, I play my role as ministering to them the love of God by my very words and attitude.

Hope you understood what I said, at least a little?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

Interesting points. The fact is, one never does really know how one action can cause a reaction in ways we are not even aware of.